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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
May 25 2017 01:37 GMT
#12361
On May 25 2017 09:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
Stupid questions followed by overly serious and very well considered answers.


ditto
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 25 2017 01:47 GMT
#12362
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 25 2017 08:00 GMT
#12363
On May 25 2017 10:47 JimmiC wrote:
Yeah my favorite is when the question is ridiculous but the answer is super well done.


That's the sole reason of Cascade's existence, so you are in the right place
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
May 25 2017 09:52 GMT
#12364
Also, the questions are quite lacking nowadays!
Keep them coming.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 25 2017 13:37 GMT
#12365
Is it possible to have a wooden ship in space?

I know that it would never survive lift off (I'm assuming actually) but if we built a ship made out of wood in space, what would he needed to allow it to survive the rigors of being in space?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 25 2017 13:51 GMT
#12366
That really depends of how seriously you mean it with "wooden". Pure wood will never work because it isn't airtight - you'd lose atmosphere through the pores in the wood and die. Also you'll probably need something else than wood if you want the ship to actually do anything, such as move around, because wood is pretty bad as a material for a rocket engine, due to the heat issues and if you want to use some more advanced propulsion, such as ion engines, you'd need electrical circuitry and such and wood is not a good conductor.

So if you just want the structural parts of the ship made of wood, accompanied by other materials for specific purposes such as air insulation by rubber from the inside and solar panels and whatnot, that shouldn't be a big issue. In space, it's actually easier to build stuff from whatever you want, because there aren't many forces. It doesn't have to be very sturdy, if you don't ask it to survive an atmospheric reentry. Look at how lofty the ISS is with all the truss structures and flappy solar panels and radiators, I don't think this monstrosity would ever even be able to stand on the ground in one piece. The only question you need to solve is outside erosion by charged particles and micrometeorites, but wood could actually be pretty good in it, because it isn't brittle, it diffuses energy on impact pretty well, so it's really only about choosing the proper thickness.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 13:54:14
May 25 2017 13:53 GMT
#12367
On May 25 2017 22:37 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Is it possible to have a wooden ship in space?

I know that it would never survive lift off (I'm assuming actually) but if we built a ship made out of wood in space, what would he needed to allow it to survive the rigors of being in space?

If we assume that the wood is treated to exist in vacuum and not explode or do anything weird because of the temperature, sure. I’m not sure that is would have the longevity necessary to travel any distance, but it could exist for a period of time. The fibrous nature of wood might break down under cosmic radiation. Most of the stuff on earth requires the shielding the atmosphere provides.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 25 2017 14:34 GMT
#12368
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 25 2017 15:10 GMT
#12369
On May 25 2017 22:51 opisska wrote:
That really depends of how seriously you mean it with "wooden". Pure wood will never work because it isn't airtight - you'd lose atmosphere through the pores in the wood and die. Also you'll probably need something else than wood if you want the ship to actually do anything, such as move around, because wood is pretty bad as a material for a rocket engine, due to the heat issues and if you want to use some more advanced propulsion, such as ion engines, you'd need electrical circuitry and such and wood is not a good conductor.

So if you just want the structural parts of the ship made of wood, accompanied by other materials for specific purposes such as air insulation by rubber from the inside and solar panels and whatnot, that shouldn't be a big issue. In space, it's actually easier to build stuff from whatever you want, because there aren't many forces. It doesn't have to be very sturdy, if you don't ask it to survive an atmospheric reentry. Look at how lofty the ISS is with all the truss structures and flappy solar panels and radiators, I don't think this monstrosity would ever even be able to stand on the ground in one piece. The only question you need to solve is outside erosion by charged particles and micrometeorites, but wood could actually be pretty good in it, because it isn't brittle, it diffuses energy on impact pretty well, so it's really only about choosing the proper thickness.


2nd Question then:

If you have a large ship (built in space) not intended to re-enter the atmosphere. If enough parts of it was made primarily of wood, is it possible to grow your spare parts within the ship?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 15:30:03
May 25 2017 15:29 GMT
#12370
On May 25 2017 23:34 JimmiC wrote:
The media coverage around Marijuana in NA has gone from it's a deadly drug that should be avoided at all cost, too, its almost a super food with untold health benefits. This all happened in a "short" period of time. say 20 years. Is this the message that you guys feel you are getting in Europe and other parts of the world? (BTW my personal belief is mj is basically like booze, some health benefits in moderation some health concerns with too much.)



Booze and MJ are drugs, drugs is for the degenerates. Your body is a temple, it must be kept pure.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
May 25 2017 16:35 GMT
#12371
On May 25 2017 01:39 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 01:14 Amanebak wrote:
Hi, I would like to watch a documentary about WWI or pre WWI, preferably on YT. Any recommendation?



Funny style but I liked it. I watched even the Punic Wars from that channel.
On May 25 2017 02:53 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 02:30 Simberto wrote:
Not a video documentary, but an amazing (And long) Podcast regarding WW1:

Dan Carlin's Hardcore History

http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-blueprint-for-armageddon-i/

In total ~24 hours or so long. Totally worth it though. If you have a commute with time to listen to things, i highly recommend going for it.


I've listened to his entire Hardcore History series and can recommend it all. I like his "short" episode recently on the Cuban Missile crisis, especially how he tried to show the two nukes on Japan as human disasters instead of statistics. (Even though the bombings weren't much worse than the mass flame bombings being used other times in some ways.)

Amazing. So many things I haven't realized.
BW
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 16:48:55
May 25 2017 16:44 GMT
#12372
On May 26 2017 00:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 22:51 opisska wrote:
That really depends of how seriously you mean it with "wooden". Pure wood will never work because it isn't airtight - you'd lose atmosphere through the pores in the wood and die. Also you'll probably need something else than wood if you want the ship to actually do anything, such as move around, because wood is pretty bad as a material for a rocket engine, due to the heat issues and if you want to use some more advanced propulsion, such as ion engines, you'd need electrical circuitry and such and wood is not a good conductor.

So if you just want the structural parts of the ship made of wood, accompanied by other materials for specific purposes such as air insulation by rubber from the inside and solar panels and whatnot, that shouldn't be a big issue. In space, it's actually easier to build stuff from whatever you want, because there aren't many forces. It doesn't have to be very sturdy, if you don't ask it to survive an atmospheric reentry. Look at how lofty the ISS is with all the truss structures and flappy solar panels and radiators, I don't think this monstrosity would ever even be able to stand on the ground in one piece. The only question you need to solve is outside erosion by charged particles and micrometeorites, but wood could actually be pretty good in it, because it isn't brittle, it diffuses energy on impact pretty well, so it's really only about choosing the proper thickness.


2nd Question then:

If you have a large ship (built in space) not intended to re-enter the atmosphere. If enough parts of it was made primarily of wood, is it possible to grow your spare parts within the ship?

If you are asking if matter can be created from nothing, the answer is no. Plants grow (mostly) by taking material from the air and soil using sunlight as an energy source. There is no air or water in space. As can be imagined, water and air are important materials in a habitable zone, wheree otherwise there are none. If there was a source of air and water you are willing to feed to your hypothetical habitable structural plant, and is willing to wait for a year, then sure, you can have wood. Bamboo probably the best bet due to structural strength and rate of growth. Whether that wood counts as spare parts depends on what you are try to replace. You aren't going to replace engines, electronics, life support sytems, heat exchange and radiators with wood. The only thing you can do with it is structural. In which case you might as well transport spare parts withe the same method to which you have transported that spaceship into space, along with that air and water. To be honest it is not clear what you mean by spaceship. Is it habitable? Does it have engines? Or is it just a lump of wood in space.

If you are asking if dead wood can grow, the answer is no. If you are asking if an alive plant can grow in space, as long as its requirements for growth are met artificially, then yes it can grow.

On May 25 2017 23:34 JimmiC wrote:
The media coverage around Marijuana in NA has gone from it's a deadly drug that should be avoided at all cost, too, its almost a super food with untold health benefits. This all happened in a "short" period of time. say 20 years. Is this the message that you guys feel you are getting in Europe and other parts of the world? (BTW my personal belief is mj is basically like booze, some health benefits in moderation some health concerns with too much.)
Europe is legislatively diverse. Different countries have different laws and different attitudes. Most countries are moving towards decriminalisation, but others are not.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18475 Posts
May 25 2017 16:52 GMT
#12373
TM is clearly thinking of a Leviathan spaceship. And Captain does look a bit like a talking plant.

http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan


JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 25 2017 16:53 GMT
#12374
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 25 2017 16:57 GMT
#12375
On May 26 2017 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
TM is clearly thinking of a Leviathan spaceship. And Captain does look a bit like a talking plant.

http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan




Who do you consider the "captain" in that crew? The pilot is more of an accessory to the ship than captain and the whole thing is moreorless run by Zhaan even though Crighton seems to thing increasingly otherwise as the series progresses, however the highest ranking person on board in any sensible meaning is definitely His Majesty the Puppet
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22670 Posts
May 25 2017 17:00 GMT
#12376
On May 26 2017 01:53 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2017 01:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 26 2017 00:10 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 25 2017 22:51 opisska wrote:
That really depends of how seriously you mean it with "wooden". Pure wood will never work because it isn't airtight - you'd lose atmosphere through the pores in the wood and die. Also you'll probably need something else than wood if you want the ship to actually do anything, such as move around, because wood is pretty bad as a material for a rocket engine, due to the heat issues and if you want to use some more advanced propulsion, such as ion engines, you'd need electrical circuitry and such and wood is not a good conductor.

So if you just want the structural parts of the ship made of wood, accompanied by other materials for specific purposes such as air insulation by rubber from the inside and solar panels and whatnot, that shouldn't be a big issue. In space, it's actually easier to build stuff from whatever you want, because there aren't many forces. It doesn't have to be very sturdy, if you don't ask it to survive an atmospheric reentry. Look at how lofty the ISS is with all the truss structures and flappy solar panels and radiators, I don't think this monstrosity would ever even be able to stand on the ground in one piece. The only question you need to solve is outside erosion by charged particles and micrometeorites, but wood could actually be pretty good in it, because it isn't brittle, it diffuses energy on impact pretty well, so it's really only about choosing the proper thickness.


2nd Question then:

If you have a large ship (built in space) not intended to re-enter the atmosphere. If enough parts of it was made primarily of wood, is it possible to grow your spare parts within the ship?

If you are asking if matter can be created from nothing, the answer is no. Plants grow (mostly) by taking material from the air and soil using sunlight as an energy source. There is no air or water in space. As can be imagined, water and air are important materials in a habitable zone, wheree otherwise there are none. If there was a source of air and water you are willing to feed to your hypothetical habitable structural plant, and is willing to wait for a year, then sure, you can have wood. Bamboo probably the best bet due to structural strength and rate of growth. Whether that wood counts as spare parts depends on what you are try to replace. You aren't going to replace engines, electronics, life support sytems, heat exchange and radiators with wood. The only thing you can do with it is structural. In which case you might as well transport spare parts withe the same method to which you have transported that spaceship into space, along with that air and water. To be honest it is not clear what you mean by spaceship. Is it habitable? Does it have engines? Or is it just a lump of wood in space.

If you are asking if dead wood can grow, the answer is no. If you are asking if an alive plant can grow in space, as long as its requirements for growth are met artificially, then yes it can grow.

On May 25 2017 23:34 JimmiC wrote:
The media coverage around Marijuana in NA has gone from it's a deadly drug that should be avoided at all cost, too, its almost a super food with untold health benefits. This all happened in a "short" period of time. say 20 years. Is this the message that you guys feel you are getting in Europe and other parts of the world? (BTW my personal belief is mj is basically like booze, some health benefits in moderation some health concerns with too much.)
Europe is legislatively diverse. Different countries have different laws and different attitudes. Most countries are moving towards decriminalisation, but others are not.



Has there been a 180 in the way media, and much of society view it?

Don't know about other countries but in the Netherlands, No. Mostly because were not into abusing it as a form of tax revenue which is the cause for the 180 in the US.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18475 Posts
May 25 2017 17:53 GMT
#12377
On May 26 2017 01:57 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2017 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
TM is clearly thinking of a Leviathan spaceship. And Captain does look a bit like a talking plant.

http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan




Who do you consider the "captain" in that crew? The pilot is more of an accessory to the ship than captain and the whole thing is moreorless run by Zhaan even though Crighton seems to thing increasingly otherwise as the series progresses, however the highest ranking person on board in any sensible meaning is definitely His Majesty the Puppet

Eh, I was confusing Captain and Pilot. But Zhaan is an ACTUAL talking plant!
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 25 2017 17:56 GMT
#12378
On May 26 2017 02:53 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2017 01:57 opisska wrote:
On May 26 2017 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
TM is clearly thinking of a Leviathan spaceship. And Captain does look a bit like a talking plant.

http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan




Who do you consider the "captain" in that crew? The pilot is more of an accessory to the ship than captain and the whole thing is moreorless run by Zhaan even though Crighton seems to thing increasingly otherwise as the series progresses, however the highest ranking person on board in any sensible meaning is definitely His Majesty the Puppet

Eh, I was confusing Captain and Pilot. But Zhaan is an ACTUAL talking plant!


Hehe, that's funny. I just remembered she was blue, weird and overly spiritual, the plant thing I guess wasn't that obvious
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 25 2017 18:57 GMT
#12379
On May 26 2017 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
TM is clearly thinking of a Leviathan spaceship. And Captain does look a bit like a talking plant.

http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan




Was actually thinking about Saga, but Farscape is as good a sample as any--albeit giving birth to naturally growing ships is a bit less replicable.

I also was not limiting the scale. How big of an internal ecosystem within a ship is needed to grow your own parts as the ship degrades over time.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 25 2017 18:58 GMT
#12380
On May 26 2017 02:56 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2017 02:53 Acrofales wrote:
On May 26 2017 01:57 opisska wrote:
On May 26 2017 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
TM is clearly thinking of a Leviathan spaceship. And Captain does look a bit like a talking plant.

http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan




Who do you consider the "captain" in that crew? The pilot is more of an accessory to the ship than captain and the whole thing is moreorless run by Zhaan even though Crighton seems to thing increasingly otherwise as the series progresses, however the highest ranking person on board in any sensible meaning is definitely His Majesty the Puppet

Eh, I was confusing Captain and Pilot. But Zhaan is an ACTUAL talking plant!


Hehe, that's funny. I just remembered she was blue, weird and overly spiritual, the plant thing I guess wasn't that obvious


There are literally whole episodes where she just gets off standing naked in sunlight.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
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