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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18133 Posts
On May 24 2017 08:47 Cascade wrote: I like daylight saving time because it, uhh.., saves daylight time? In summer without daylight saving time, maybe the sun rises at 4.30 and sets at 7.30. most people wake up well after 4.30 and stay up long after 7.30, so by applying daylight saving time we lose less daylight time sleeping. We get less light when we sleep early morning, and more light in the evening. Sounds to me like you're in the wrong timezone in any case. Spain has the same. DST helps, but changing timezones would help more. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On May 24 2017 16:08 Acrofales wrote: Sounds to me like you're in the wrong timezone in any case. Spain has the same. DST helps, but changing timezones would help more. This whole timezone/DST thing is a fascinating probe into human psychology. People just insist that they want to do certain things when a certain number is on the clock, regardless of the actual time coordinate of the event. I almost think that countries like Spain are in the danger of "timezone inflation" which is only held in check by laziness and conservatism. Imagine that they decided to change their timezone by an hour to better reflect all the wasted daylight in the morning that they sleep through. It won't take long for people to realize that now everything is later and thus they could sleep a little more - this will eventually turn into a spiral of timezone and hour-of-business shift and next thing we know, they are a full day ahead ... It makes absolutely no sense that the solution to "people wake well after sunrise and stay up after sunset" is shifting the clock instead of just shifting the hours when people do things, but that is just the human nature - absolute and totally ingrained hypocrisy with no regard for rationality. I have a friend that I travel with who is used to getting up really late, which is very impractical for mountaineering, because the weather is best in the morning. We travel to far away places with a totally different timezone, so that his body can't possibly be used to that time cycle, but he still protest everytime we want to get up at 6 am local time, because it's too early. If we could make him believe that the local timezone is different and it's actually 9 am, he would be willing to get up at the exact same moment without problems - which makes absolutely no sense, how does the decision of local people about how to number a certain moment in time affect your bodily ryrthm? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18133 Posts
On May 24 2017 17:00 opisska wrote: This whole timezone/DST thing is a fascinating probe into human psychology. People just insist that they want to do certain things when a certain number is on the clock, regardless of the actual time coordinate of the event. I almost think that countries like Spain are in the danger of "timezone inflation" which is only held in check by laziness and conservatism. Imagine that they decided to change their timezone by an hour to better reflect all the wasted daylight in the morning that they sleep through. It won't take long for people to realize that now everything is later and thus they could sleep a little more - this will eventually turn into a spiral of timezone and hour-of-business shift and next thing we know, they are a full day ahead ... It makes absolutely no sense that the solution to "people wake well after sunrise and stay up after sunset" is shifting the clock instead of just shifting the hours when people do things, but that is just the human nature - absolute and totally ingrained hypocrisy with no regard for rationality. I have a friend that I travel with who is used to getting up really late, which is very impractical for mountaineering, because the weather is best in the morning. We travel to far away places with a totally different timezone, so that his body can't possibly be used to that time cycle, but he still protest everytime we want to get up at 6 am local time, because it's too early. If we could make him believe that the local timezone is different and it's actually 9 am, he would be willing to get up at the exact same moment without problems - which makes absolutely no sense, how does the decision of local people about how to number a certain moment in time affect your bodily ryrthm? It was just explained to you a few posts up. It's so that if I try to plan a business call with my colleagues in Korea, I don't have to know that 4pm is the middle of the night there. I know that 4pm is 1am, which automatically means to me that it's a horrible time for a business call, because everyone will be fast asleep. As for "timezone inflation", all I can say is "wut?!" Or was that a not-so-subtle reference to Spaniards being lazy? | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On May 24 2017 17:14 Acrofales wrote: It was just explained to you a few posts up. It's so that if I try to plan a business call with my colleagues in Korea, I don't have to know that 4pm is the middle of the night there. I know that 4pm is 1am, which automatically means to me that it's a horrible time for a business call, because everyone will be fast asleep. As for "timezone inflation", all I can say is "wut?!" Or was that a not-so-subtle reference to Spaniards being lazy? Oh, c'mon Acro, don't be like that. You know that I am not an idiot, please don't try to "explain" simple things to me in a patronizing manner, it pisses me off and I already have enough piss in my nickname. I am not saying that there should be no timezones at all. But the obsession with the exact timezones we currently have is frankly absurd. Spain is a great example, because it has an unnatural timezone - it lies on the 0 meridian, but uses CET/CEST - which is an hour/two hours ahead of the local solar time. Yet even with this shift, people usually start business long after sunset, because that is the local habit. Obviously the inflation part was tongue-in-cheek when taken literally, but it's already kinda happening - look at bloody Argentina and their completely out-of-place timezone ... Isn't there a trend after all, which countries happen to do thus? Well, it's not really about hispanics being "lazy", but about the kinda ... general culture  This also shows you how you can't even use the local times to establish the proper hours to do something without knowing the local culture anyway - there are places where people start working at 6 and places where they start working at 10. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11648 Posts
Another possible explanation is that he simply needs a bit more sleep than you guys. I assume that you all go to bed at the same time during these mountaineering expeditions, so if he needs/is used to one hour more of total sleep compared to you guys, he will be tired when you are ready to get up. As for anything that is part of a larger society, and not just 3 guys in the mountains, you have the logistic problem. It is way easier to have everyone change what their clock says (especially if you can automate that) than it is to make everyone remember that during some times of the year, they have to turn up for week at 9, while at other times of the year they have to turn up at 8. I agree that our reliance on clocks might seem weird and irrational, but it is really something that we are trained to do for good reasons. And at some point, your mind has the mental connection "17:00 means end of work", "23:00 means better go to bed or you will feel bad tomorrow", "13:00 time for food", etc... | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
It's not about more sleep, he will just not fall asleep unless the number on his watch is large enough. Also many places on Earth have timezones heavily shifted with respect to the local Sun cycle. Still works. DST makes some sense for logistics, I agree. I was mainly targeting the countries that have their timezones shifted out of the local solar time altogether instead of just changing their working hours into something more sensible ... (again, Argentina is a great example, Spain is a little weaker). | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18133 Posts
On May 24 2017 18:06 opisska wrote: You don't know him, I can really trick him by just lying about the timezone, it just doesn't work for a long time, because he finds out It's not about more sleep, he will just not fall asleep unless the number on his watch is large enough. Also many places on Earth have timezones heavily shifted with respect to the local Sun cycle. Still works. DST makes some sense for logistics, I agree. I was mainly targeting the countries that have their timezones shifted out of the local solar time altogether instead of just changing their working hours into something more sensible ... (again, Argentina is a great example, Spain is a little weaker). I lived in Argentina for a year, its timezone is completely out of whack. But offices have regular business hours. Not sure what you're talking about. Offices open adding 8am and then there's a long lunch break/siesta. Then things buzz again between 3/4pm and 8pm(ish). Counties with their timezone out of whack, China takes the crown. They should span about 4 timezones, yet the whole country shares a timezone. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On May 24 2017 18:26 Acrofales wrote: I lived in Argentina for a year, its timezone is completely out of whack. But offices have regular business hours. Not sure what you're talking about. Offices open adding 8am and then there's a long lunch break/siesta. Then things buzz again between 3/4pm and 8pm(ish). Probably depends on which part of Argentina, then? The place I go to is Malargue in Mendoza province. The supermarket opens at 9:30, most of our local staff appears in office around 10 and the first thing they do is a hour-long breakfast. At 8 am, the city is a literal ghost town, everybody is sleeping. Then everything runs late into the night, the supermarket closes at 9:30 pm, the restaurants start serving food around 9 pm, the local dance club opens around 2 am 11 pm is definiftely still very lively on the main street. If the timezone wasn't so silly, the locals would spend half of their lives in the dark ... | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18133 Posts
On May 24 2017 18:30 opisska wrote: Probably depends on which part of Argentina, then? The place I go to is Malargue in Mendoza province. The supermarket opens at 9:30, most of our local staff appears in office around 10 and the first thing they do is a hour-long breakfast. At 8 am, the city is a literal ghost town, everybody is sleeping. Then everything runs late into the night, the supermarket closes at 9:30 pm, the restaurants start serving food around 9 pm, the local dance club opens around 2 am 11 pm is definiftely still very lively on the main street. If the timezone wasn't so silly, the locals would spend half of their lives in the dark ... Pretty sure that's cultural. Dance clubs opening at 2am is a weird Argentina quirk, but it's nation-wide. Restaurants opening late for dinner is a general Spanish cultural thing. But I'm more familiar with the east of Argentina. Lived in the south, and have spent a lot of time in Be As and Corrientes. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On May 24 2017 17:00 opisska wrote: This whole timezone/DST thing is a fascinating probe into human psychology. People just insist that they want to do certain things when a certain number is on the clock, regardless of the actual time coordinate of the event. I almost think that countries like Spain are in the danger of "timezone inflation" which is only held in check by laziness and conservatism. Imagine that they decided to change their timezone by an hour to better reflect all the wasted daylight in the morning that they sleep through. It won't take long for people to realize that now everything is later and thus they could sleep a little more - this will eventually turn into a spiral of timezone and hour-of-business shift and next thing we know, they are a full day ahead ... It makes absolutely no sense that the solution to "people wake well after sunrise and stay up after sunset" is shifting the clock instead of just shifting the hours when people do things, but that is just the human nature - absolute and totally ingrained hypocrisy with no regard for rationality. I have a friend that I travel with who is used to getting up really late, which is very impractical for mountaineering, because the weather is best in the morning. We travel to far away places with a totally different timezone, so that his body can't possibly be used to that time cycle, but he still protest everytime we want to get up at 6 am local time, because it's too early. If we could make him believe that the local timezone is different and it's actually 9 am, he would be willing to get up at the exact same moment without problems - which makes absolutely no sense, how does the decision of local people about how to number a certain moment in time affect your bodily ryrthm? And this is exactly what DST does. Maybe that was your point. Hypocrisy? Meh, I guess, if you want to see it that way... More like a placebo?  I mean, I agree that it doesn't make any sense if you assume that everyone are purely logic beeings, and as you say, human psychology is a bit funny here.Either way, from a purely practical point of view, it makes people get up one hour earlier solar time in the summer, and get to enjoy more day light. I'm fine with other systems that does the same thing (better), but until those are in place, I think the world is a better place with DST that without it. | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
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Yurie
11936 Posts
On May 25 2017 01:14 Amanebak wrote: Hi, I would like to watch a documentary about WWI or pre WWI, preferably on YT. Any recommendation? | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11648 Posts
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-blueprint-for-armageddon-i/ In total ~24 hours or so long. Totally worth it though. If you have a commute with time to listen to things, i highly recommend going for it. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On May 25 2017 01:43 opisska wrote: Search for "Blackadder Goes Forth" for a truthful documentary on WWI Yup! | ||
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Yurie
11936 Posts
On May 25 2017 02:30 Simberto wrote: Not a video documentary, but an amazing (And long) Podcast regarding WW1: Dan Carlin's Hardcore History http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-blueprint-for-armageddon-i/ In total ~24 hours or so long. Totally worth it though. If you have a commute with time to listen to things, i highly recommend going for it. I've listened to his entire Hardcore History series and can recommend it all. I like his "short" episode recently on the Cuban Missile crisis, especially how he tried to show the two nukes on Japan as human disasters instead of statistics. (Even though the bombings weren't much worse than the mass flame bombings being used other times in some ways.) | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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