EPTDad tells me whatever you learn doesn't matter, because it's all about showing you have the capacity to do things. I know this is true but I just can't help it but feel no motivation at all to do any of the work. It feels pretty much like you're learning the entire world of math, and the amount of it coming in handy will pretty much be limited to the amount of change you'll receive from the milk you bought with your 2 euro coin.
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Lythox
Netherlands161 Posts
Dad tells me whatever you learn doesn't matter, because it's all about showing you have the capacity to do things. I know this is true but I just can't help it but feel no motivation at all to do any of the work. It feels pretty much like you're learning the entire world of math, and the amount of it coming in handy will pretty much be limited to the amount of change you'll receive from the milk you bought with your 2 euro coin. | ||
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Popss
Sweden176 Posts
On May 25 2011 08:01 Lythox wrote: Well, I can honestly relate to those koreans, although its different for me. Instead of studying and learning all the time, I do it almost not at all. Reason being that I don't know what I want and learning what I have to learn now feels so pointless I have no motivation for it at all. It can drive you kind of crazy when you're in that situation because everything in the world is about school and how well you perform in it... Dad tells me whatever you learn doesn't matter, because it's all about showing you have the capacity to do things. I know this is true but I just can't help it but feel no motivation at all to do any of the work. It feels pretty much like you're learning the entire world of math, and the amount of it coming in handy will pretty much be limited to the amount of change you'll receive from the milk you bought with your 2 euro coin. Honestly the biggest problem I have with society or parents putting this kind of pressure on young people is simply the fact that in my opinion school up until university is simply getting used to studying rather than actually accumulating useful skills. | ||
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OS.Commander
Colombia45 Posts
I think that competitiveness can be a very positive force when people compete constructively for positive results. But in my mind positive results are those that work towards equity for all life and towards diminishing the systems of economic class and societal status which divide us. In the states, tragically, there are also many young person suicides. Whatever they result from, hopelessness, stress, bullying, they all speak loudly on what should be the fundamental question: How can we work towards a society which is more tolerant and supportive of all life and less focused on the ego and self-aggrandizement of the individual. I think the world is in need of a paradigm shift about how we live as individuals as well as a society. Anyway, thanks for sharing this troubling news. | ||
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nubstick27
United States2 Posts
Suicide in Korea really is, in my opinion, a tragedy. Students committing suicide is a tragedy anywhere... In Korea, It is clearly the number one reason for students' deaths and is acknowledged as a problem by many education leaders in Korea. In response, the Korean government, with the leadership of the department of education research (교육과학기술부), has initiated a program to educate teachers and parents about suicide prevention. There are .pdfs of prevention protocols and lesson plans for educating elementary and middle school students, along with materials for said lesson. The department will also attempt to track the reach and efficacy of this program. Let's hope for the children of Korea that this program will be beneficial... source: http://www.schoolhealth.kr/LuBoard/SHealth/SHDataBbsList.php?GbnCode=0109 (Korean -- you may also have to view with IE) | ||
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Frequencyy
United States344 Posts
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ZiegFeld
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swisher3
6 Posts
On May 25 2011 08:58 ZiegFeld wrote: It's survival of the fittest in a world of limited resources. Nature's natural selection at work, there really isn't anything to be done about it. i hope one day youll know what it feels like to be depressed and kill yourself User was warned for this post | ||
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jackblack2323
United States71 Posts
On May 25 2011 08:58 ZiegFeld wrote: It's survival of the fittest in a world of limited resources. Nature's natural selection at work, there really isn't anything to be done about it. I totally agree man. Nothing against Koreans though, I just don't show any sympathy for anyone weak enough to just give up and commit suicide; Korean or not. I think humans are messing up natural selection by telling everyone what to do, and trying to convince the weak to be stronger. just my 2 minerals~ | ||
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Rykros
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On May 25 2011 11:24 jackblack2323 wrote: I totally agree man. Nothing against Koreans though, I just don't show any sympathy for anyone weak enough to just give up and commit suicide; Korean or not. I think humans are messing up natural selection by telling everyone what to do, and trying to convince the weak to be stronger. just my 2 minerals~ I completely understand both your views, I do. But the reason they're unacceptable in todays society is that we're supposed to have moved beyond that, made a progression. I can guarantee if you had been brought up in certain situations, you would commit suicide. You would. Terrible, terrible stuff can happen that could make you wish you were dead. I'm not saying you'd expect sympathy if you commit suicide, but many of these same people in other circumstances could have ended up much stronger than you, been much happier than you, contributed more than you to society, etc. P.S. If this turns into a discussion I'm predicting we'll see Godwin's Law. | ||
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SpaceFighting
New Zealand690 Posts
i wouldn't have a damn clue what academic pressure would feel like.. my prayers goes out to the victims and family's | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
In The Netherlands most people really don't stress about school, it's not like ur life is over if u don't pass some exams. But yeh in a culture where you are judged on performance I can imagine the pressure, it still should never never never be a reason to ever commit suicide tho :/ Korean government should get some sort of campaign going to take away some of the pressure on the students, 'it doesn't matter' | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
I am no fan of the german university attitude of " do what you want we dont care" but seriously I am really happy that I live here and didnt get pressured to learn so much crap for university entry when I wanted to study something that probably wouldnt be asked in those tests anyway | ||
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Bactrian
Australia176 Posts
On May 25 2011 11:24 jackblack2323 wrote: I totally agree man. Nothing against Koreans though, I just don't show any sympathy for anyone weak enough to just give up and commit suicide; Korean or not. I think humans are messing up natural selection by telling everyone what to do, and trying to convince the weak to be stronger. just my 2 minerals~ As usual the fringe batshit insane eugenicists come out of the woodwork. Maybe look at predictive variables for suicide, then tell me how many are at an individual level that could be genetically selected for*. *Protip: There's gender, try selecting for that (lol). Then there's ones that can both both social or genetic, like personality (which is more social) and family mental health problems (which varies depending on illness). Maybe get a clue before using the deaths of others to boost your self esteem. | ||
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Odeyuken
France94 Posts
On May 25 2011 11:24 jackblack2323 wrote: I totally agree man. Nothing against Koreans though, I just don't show any sympathy for anyone weak enough to just give up and commit suicide; Korean or not. I think humans are messing up natural selection by telling everyone what to do, and trying to convince the weak to be stronger. just my 2 minerals~ Jesus. F*cking. Christ. | ||
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chaogui2
New Zealand31 Posts
Thank goodness that I got moved from China to New Zealand at a young age. While China seems to be less competitive than Korea, I still often hear about how my cousins back there who study for what seems to me like inhuman hours. Although my parents still have the competitive 'who's better at raising their child' mentality with their other NZ Chinese friends, they generally allow me to do whatever I want without getting angry unless my GPA drops below an A average. I don't like the general high-pressure Asian education system. Although it results in high exam marks, I think it causes most students to just study for how to score well in exams instead of how to do well in the real world. I'm a 2nd year electrical&electronic enginerring student and the other day I was horrified to see another Asian student studying for a test by basically rewriting out the whole coursebook. The sad thing is that while she'll probably get A+ for memorising how to do questions, all that memorisation is doing is teaching her not to use her brain which probably won't help much in the real world since you'll be solving problems using theory and knowledge instead of reciting how to do it out of some book. | ||
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ipx
Australia34 Posts
All you are doing is manufacturing an army of worker drone robots with the same ability to repeat other people's ideas. I think the application process for universities should be way more general and seek to find well rounded individuals with original ideas not just those who can regurgitate stuff from books with efficiency. | ||
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Voldron
Greece91 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:21 jinorazi wrote: i'm not sure if it isnt mentioned in OP or the article but i want to point out finance troubles play a part too. just watched this on MBN. the college tuitions in korea have risen 30% in the past 4 years while majority of the school do not accept credit cards, cash only for tuitions. there is a 24 month plan but with 30% interest. only 1 out of 15 schools take credit card but limited to a few certain cc companies that has ties with the school. school claims that 1.5% transaction fee is too much of a burden. i really hope cultural revolution takes place to change parent's view on academic achievements (ie. its ok to do music, its ok to breakdance, its ok to be an artist), make going to school fun and enjoyable, not a do or die institute. as a 9 year old in korea. i went to school at 8am, finished at 2pm, went to afterschool from 3 to 8. 6 days a week. longer days for my older sister and brother. USA felt like heaven. what?... Lol that system sucks kill ur president or something... just kidding. But i think thats a bit too much of reading to be honest | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Theres so many pros and cons in the idea of what goes on in the Korean education system. For a good thing, all this studying provides the country with exceptional levels of intelligence over the whole of korea, not just a limited number in most countrys. However i guess so many people can't take the pressure, myself personally i have never been in a heavy pressured situation, i have had pressure but i just coasted through it, but its never been major like the way it sounds in Korea. I guess the only solution is to take the pressure off somehow, counciling won't solve this problem, even if it was made compulsory people don't react the way someone tells them to react. There is one thing i would like to add, the IQ level of someone doesn't always bring the success in buisness level, those great people such as Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Einstein, Jesus, Henry Ford, Winston Churchill, all believed in one common thing; Imagination Is the Key to Life! They all beleived in what we all did as a child, they beleived that with a great idea, no matter the level of your I.Q if you just practiced/preached whatever, you will eventually reach success, whether it was saving England from defeat in WW2 like churchill, or getting equality in a racist country as MLK did or just make that car you always dreamt of like Henry Ford! Don't let people stop you from doing something because of your I.Q level! You need not focus on intelligence but mainly the imagination! | ||
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