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Keep it civil guys. Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans. The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally. Confirmation was as follows - On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive. - photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis - confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan. This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death. | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:34 ImFromPortugal wrote: there have been reports saying that bin laden was dead since 2001 Not remotely like this one. The tryhard devil's advocate isn't really helping anything. Not to mention, he did release videos, and every time he mocked the United States it weakened Bush's government. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:35 partisan wrote: I think sympathy for terrorists should be pretty damn rare. On the other hand I do pity them. In most cases its just dumb kids being used by people like Bin Laden to carry out their own political agenda Pity, sympathy.. Yeah, what I meant to say was that I can kind of see how they ended up the way they are. As you said, dumb kids being used. It's so fucked up though, so fucked up. | ||
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Sokalo
United States375 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:28 Shigy wrote: don't know if you guys have been talking about this in the past ~40 pages.. but i just read this headline on CNN, they've been updating the story quite a bit tonight. really? i'm not one to constantly question the government (eg birthers, the fed, 9/11 conspiracies, any other conspiracies for that matter). but that's kind of curious. we'll have to see how it develops, but it does raise question. why would they get rid of the best evidence they have so quickly? people question the legitimacy of the whole thing with or without this instaburial. If you get rid of the body quickly you avoid the possibility of any issues becoming of it. Other countries demanding it's return, arousing public anger if you hold onto it and refuse to do anything with it, people making demands for different evidence from it. It also is just a bit distasteful to claim a corpse as a trophy, which is how it will begin to look no matter what you do if you keep it around. As for dumping it at sea I imagine they were thinking along the lines of Hitler's burial. Do it quickly and secretly so you don't create a burial site that people will flock to and rally around. | ||
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napo
Romania622 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:29 DorN wrote: I dont see the difference. And iam thankful that most European countries see it the same way i do. Therefore we dont have the death penalty. Its just a stupid circle of hate and killing. But i guess you dont see it yet because you are blinded by your wish of revenge. Wish of revenge? LOL What does a 21 yo Romanian student have to do with 9/11? It's not about the wish of revenge, but about trying to balance the weight of these actions (9/11 and the death of Osama). Also if you would have read my post attentively enough I said that I don't agree with open-street celebrations, but I can somewhat understand what people feel like when they lose their relatives/family/loved ones due to some people who have some severe pshycologival problems. | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:36 Lemonwalrus wrote: Well if that isn't proof, I don't know what is.  I just asked her if she'd saw the news, different timezone atm, and she said odd.. i thought he died in 05/06. :p lol. anyway... I still want to see proof. Surely someone snapped a picture? I mean the second Saddam was caught they had pics of him in his little hidey hole immediatly. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:31 Stylus wrote: According to a U.S. official on May 2, bin Laden's body was handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition,[10] and was buried at sea soon after death, in accordance with Islamic tradition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden does this explanation really satisfy you? really? respect for islamic tradition? come on dude. | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:36 [F_]aths wrote: If I remember correctly, US troops captured Saddam Hussein (why is anyone calling him with his first name only?) but he was sentence to death by an Iraqi trial. While my heart says that Mr. Hussein deserved to die many thousand times, my head says that death penalty still is wrong even when dealing with monsters of this magnitude. Killing someone with no trial is even more wrong. Bin Ladens death – and the death of the other guys who were killed as he was executed – cannot not bring back the dead. Someone who claims having moral superiority should act properly. In the end I consider Bin Laden's death a relieve in the sense that he presented an active threat to us. A part in me congratulates the US president that he ordered to do the dirty work. But then I am concerned about my own feelings. It was reported that he had a weapon and did use it. Last time I checked they'll still kill people in Germany who resist like that. So this whole trial or not doesn't really matter. | ||
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Aurocaido
Canada288 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:33 vyyye wrote: Remember what happened to the Danish guy who made the Mohammed comic? Considering how big this "event" (what word to use?) is I don't think respecting Islamic traditions is a bad call. Osama is not the prophet Muhammed, pretty sure many high ranking Muslims did not consider Osama a true Mulsim anyway. And I am sure his actual death would have been far more agrivating than not burying him properly to his supporters. | ||
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VicTimEyes
Netherlands99 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:34 Zerokaiser wrote: There are some people who do not deserve to walk with the rest of humanity anymore, that's my opinion. Deaths of innocent civilians should not be celebrated, the death of the puppeteer behind thousands of murders is something different. I'm not American, and I don't have any feelings of revenge or even hate for Bin Laden or Al Qaeda, but I believe that even if only a tiny, tiny bit, the world is a better place in his absence. You (and many others here imho) should realize however that hundreds-of-thousands INNOCENT civilians died in Afghanistan and Iraq after the start of the "war on terror". In the first 3 years only the amount of innocent Afghanistan citizens killed by US air bombing was estimated on 20.000 for example. This is after 9/11, but I don't think anyone can deny that US has never been really innocent in this regard (Vietnam anyone?). So to me Bush et al. are no different than Osama Bin Laden in that regard. Yet one is considered a mass-murder and the other "just" a former president. Main question to me remains: why is the death of an innocent western civilian seen as more important than the death of other nationalities? | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:24 kaileah wrote: Those who are in Abu Ghraib are in no way shape or form innocent. The information extracted in Abu Ghraib, whatever means necessary, have saved thousands of innocent lives around the world. Please don't try to make the connection between terrorists and americans / innocent civilians. It's pretty disgusting. Do you honestly believe that all American prisioners in the "war against terror" are actually terrorist? Do you honestly think that the torture in _all cases_ was justified, because they were trying to save innocent Americans? How do you think you have any moral high ground over terrorists/dictators/whoever, if you justify torture? This is exactly the hypocrisy I meant in my post. I don't mind Americans being happy about the death of Bin Laden, I compleatly understand that. But _celebrating_ it, is just inappropriate in my opinion. It's not like you see pictures of people in London or Madrid celebrating right now, even though they would have the same reason to do so. | ||
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LedFarmer
United States161 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:24 mathemagician1986 wrote: I think I'll simply never comprehend the thought process of americans like you. Killing terrorists will never do anything against terrorism. The US should try to understand why terrorists want to do them harm in the first place and try to solve these issues diplomatically, before they even arise. Seeing that I have to be "civil" about this. The fact that you think that Terrorists can be dealt with in a diplomatic way is absurd. I think I'll simply never comprehend the thought process of a doltish German like you. Al Qaeda openly declared war on the United States by having countless attacks against us at home and abroad. You can not negotiate with terrorists, the best place for them is 6 feet under ground, but because you seem pretty torpid, the best place for them is 1.8288 meters under ground. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:39 Aurocaido wrote: Osama is not the prophet Muhammed, pretty sure many high ranking Muslims did not consider Osama a true Mulsim anyway. And I am sure his actual death would have been far more agrivating than not burying him properly to his supporters. Sure it would. But if anything can be done to dampen the flames of his supporters, why not do it? Especially if it respects their tradition, which is a good thing whether it's a mass murdering idiot or a saint we're talking about. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:37 Sokalo wrote: If you get rid of the body quickly you avoid the possibility of any issues becoming of it. Other countries demanding it's return, arousing public anger if you hold onto it and refuse to do anything with it, people making demands for different evidence from it. It also is just a bit distasteful to claim a corpse as a trophy, which is how it will begin to look no matter what you do if you keep it around. As for dumping it at sea I imagine they were thinking along the lines of Hitler's burial. Do it quickly and secretly so you don't create a burial site that people will flock to and rally around. i sure hope they documented the fuck out of the whole situation in between the time they rushed the compound and the time they got rid of the body. i don't suggest we keep it as a trophy, but let a 3rd party come in and confirm what the government says, you know what i mean? i see what you mean with the international quarreling over the body, but it's weird stuff. i'll have to check out hitler's burial | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:36 vyyye wrote: Pity, sympathy.. Yeah, what I meant to say was that I can kind of see how they ended up the way they are. As you said, dumb kids being used. It's so fucked up though, so fucked up. Agreed. Also I love the EU perspective on this issue, although I have disagreed with some of the statements. I've actually been scrolling through the comments here in between reading articles because its a great way to see how other people view the situation. If you piss off an American, don't take it personally. This is a pretty emotional issue for most of us | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:42 Masamune wrote: Which Osama Bin Laden did they kill? The first or the fourth one? The one we've been looking for. nuff said. | ||
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Minastir
Finland62 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:31 nihlon wrote: The real (!?!) conspiracy theories will probably say that they captured him alive to keep in some hidden bunker for all eternity. If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd chase this conspiracy to the end. Disclaimer: Tinfoil hat material + Show Spoiler + Let's say Bin Laden was an agent working for US government all this time, 9/11 would be an orchestrated op from government and Bin Laden would be the scapegoat. This raid on Bin Laden compound has to be a hoax, nobody has died and this is merely a declaration by US government to Bin Laden that his contract has ended and he can continue living under a new identity with job well done. | ||
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Mahs
Netherlands171 Posts
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:47 Minastir wrote: If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd chase this conspiracy to the end. Disclaimer: Tinfoil hat material + Show Spoiler + Let's say Bin Laden was an agent working for US government all this time, 9/11 would be an orchestrated op from government and Bin Laden would be the scapegoat. This raid on Bin Laden compound has to be a hoax, nobody has died and this is merely a declaration by US government to Bin Laden that his contract has ended and he can continue living under a new identity with job well done. Your conspiracy depends on the US government exhibiting a competency it has never possessed | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:38 Shigy wrote: does this explanation really satisfy you? really? respect for islamic tradition? come on dude. Oh yeah, it's not as though the Obama administration or the later Bush administration have done their utmost not to repeat the huge screwups that were the Qo'ran flushings, or Abu Ghraib in general. C'mon... | ||
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