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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 02 2011 18:16 ImFromPortugal wrote:[b] On May 02 2011 18:09 partisan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:02 Genzo wrote:
i haven't read all the pages, but do people really think much is gonna change with him dead? Al Qaeda has been largely dependent on Bin Laden's money to keep afloat. When he was cut off from his family in the 1990's while living in Sudan, a large part of the organization just left. Does Bin Laden's death spell the end of terrorism? Of course not. However it does probably signal the death knell for the most well known organization, AQ won't survive long without the cash he provided.
WikiLeaks cables assess terrorism funding in Saudi Arabia, Gulf states"Terrorist funding emanating from Saudi Arabia remains a serious concern." So states a cable prepared for the visit of U.S. Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke to the kingdom earlier this year. It is one of several that have appeared on the WikiLeaks site to indicate that despite some progress, the flow of cash to extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan from individuals and charities in the Gulf has certainly not been halted. http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/world/wikileaks.terrorism.funding_1_saudi-arabia-terrorist-funding-terrorist-groups?_s=PM:WORLDThe Saudi Connection
How billions in oil money spawned a global terror network U.S. intelligence officials knew about Saudi Arabia's role in funding terrorism by 1996, yet for years Washington did almost nothing to stop it. Examining the Saudi role in terrorism, a senior intelligence analyst says, was "virtually taboo." Even after the embassy bombings in Africa, moves by counterterrorism officials to act against the Saudis were repeatedly rebuffed by senior staff at the State Department and elsewhere who felt that other foreign policy interests outweighed fighting terrorism. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/031215/15terror.htm
Absolutely Saudi money is still being funneled into terrorist causes, but AQ was not one of them. Bin Laden was expelled from the Kingdom for challenge the regime too openly and his family was forced to cut him off financially.
However, there are many many other outlets for Saudi money looking for a "cause" to support.
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this is pissing me off.
these assoles who are comparing us Americans celebrating the death of the murderer of thousands of innocent civilians to the bastards celebrating the murder of those thousands of innocent civilians should be warned or temp banned.
i cant believe how anti-american people can be.
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On May 02 2011 17:59 Catch]22 wrote:
Curious about where this supposed hidden nuke in europe is...
If it exists, I'd say it's probably closer to Paris or London than Sweden...
...but it probably doesn't exist. Right?
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On May 02 2011 18:20 MilesTeg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:59 Catch]22 wrote:
Curious about where this supposed hidden nuke in europe is... If it exists, I'd say it's probably closer to Paris or London than Sweden... ...but it probably doesn't exist. Right?
What's that ticking in your basement?
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On May 02 2011 18:19 Supamang wrote:
this is pissing me off.
these assoles who are comparing us Americans celebrating the death of the murderer of thousands of innocent civilians to the bastards celebrating the murder of those thousands of innocent civilians should be warned or temp banned.
i cant believe how anti-american people can be.
Silencing opinions you disagree with? How un-American of you. Their views are just as valid as yours.
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What a great day justice has finally been brought to the tyrant. I can finally say with pride our efforts are finally showing some RESULTS------- I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN
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On May 02 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
No picture of the body?
Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this.
Only a blatantly photoshopped one. Check out the pic on page 78.
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On May 02 2011 18:20 MilesTeg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:59 Catch]22 wrote:
Curious about where this supposed hidden nuke in europe is... If it exists, I'd say it's probably closer to Paris or London than Sweden... ...but it probably doesn't exist. Right?
Why Sweden? We have so many Arabian immigrants that.. just wouldn't make sense. Suppose we're in Afghanistan at the moment though, so maybe.
On May 02 2011 18:18 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:09 kaileah wrote:On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see killing thousands of innocent civilians unprovoked = bad. Ridding the man who killed innocent civilians = good. Europeans don't seem to understand the concept of closure. Your family is murdered. The murderer and his gang celebrate the death of your family. For a decade, the murderer is not caught. However, he is finally killed. Is it a bad thing that he was killed? And understand that the US government, if possible, has a lot more reasons to capture osama alive than to kill him. Ridding the world of osama was necessary for millions of americans to gain some closure. So let's say people in Iraq would celebrate the death of an american soldier who tortured and killed people in Abu Ghraib. Would that be alright by your moral standards?
This is like an early high school "philosophy" discussion. Goddamn it, just stop.
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On May 02 2011 18:18 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:09 kaileah wrote:On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see killing thousands of innocent civilians unprovoked = bad. Ridding the man who killed innocent civilians = good. Europeans don't seem to understand the concept of closure. Your family is murdered. The murderer and his gang celebrate the death of your family. For a decade, the murderer is not caught. However, he is finally killed. Is it a bad thing that he was killed? And understand that the US government, if possible, has a lot more reasons to capture osama alive than to kill him. Ridding the world of osama was necessary for millions of americans to gain some closure. So let's say people in Iraq would celebrate the death of an american soldier who tortured and killed people in Abu Ghraib. Would that be alright by your moral standards?
I'm unaware of any American soldiers killing prisoners at Abu Ghraib, torture..yes. And in that instance, I would completely fine with an Iraqi celebrating a soldier being brought to justice for a crime they've committed. It's actually an issue I bring up every single time I talked to my congressman (much to his dismay)
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On May 02 2011 18:18 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:09 kaileah wrote:On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see killing thousands of innocent civilians unprovoked = bad. Ridding the man who killed innocent civilians = good. Europeans don't seem to understand the concept of closure. Your family is murdered. The murderer and his gang celebrate the death of your family. For a decade, the murderer is not caught. However, he is finally killed. Is it a bad thing that he was killed? And understand that the US government, if possible, has a lot more reasons to capture osama alive than to kill him. Ridding the world of osama was necessary for millions of americans to gain some closure. So let's say people in Iraq would celebrate the death of an american soldier who tortured and killed people in Abu Ghraib. Would that be alright by your moral standards?
If the american soldier tortured and killed an innocent civilian or something then I would have no problem with it. That is wrong, there is no reason he should be doing that. So yes that would be all right for me personally.
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It's completely out of the question that the US government would fake the death. The people who believe that are completely wound up in their won conspiracy genetics.
Put aside your silly theories for a second here in favour of, I don't know, common-fucking-sense.
Let's say the government fakes Osama's death. The United States is super pleased and it's being praised as a victory for counter-terrorism and the world in general.
I don't know...it seems like that might not work if...let's say...
Osama Bin Laden releases a new video in response. American government exposed, world moral plummets, etc. etc. etc.
Jesus Christ, you people are talking like Bin Laden would be totally cool with the entire world reuniting in victory against Al Qaeda.
I can't even think of a pretty way to write that, it's just god damn obvious.
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On May 02 2011 18:18 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:09 kaileah wrote:On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see killing thousands of innocent civilians unprovoked = bad. Ridding the man who killed innocent civilians = good. Europeans don't seem to understand the concept of closure. Your family is murdered. The murderer and his gang celebrate the death of your family. For a decade, the murderer is not caught. However, he is finally killed. Is it a bad thing that he was killed? And understand that the US government, if possible, has a lot more reasons to capture osama alive than to kill him. Ridding the world of osama was necessary for millions of americans to gain some closure. So let's say people in Iraq would celebrate the death of an american soldier who tortured and killed people in Abu Ghraib. Would that be alright by your moral standards?
Those who are in Abu Ghraib are in no way shape or form innocent. The information extracted in Abu Ghraib, whatever means necessary, have saved thousands of innocent lives around the world. Please don't try to make the connection between terrorists and americans / innocent civilians. It's pretty disgusting.
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Wait, so the only available images of bin Laden's corpse are manipulated, right?
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On May 02 2011 18:21 Cloudstrife1337 wrote:
What a great day justice has finally been brought to the tyrant. I can finally say with pride our efforts are finally showing some RESULTS------- I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN
I think I'll simply never comprehend the thought process of americans like you.
Killing terrorists will never do anything against terrorism. The US should try to understand why terrorists want to do them harm in the first place and try to solve these issues diplomatically, before they even arise.
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On May 02 2011 18:21 Tippereth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:19 Supamang wrote:
this is pissing me off.
these assoles who are comparing us Americans celebrating the death of the murderer of thousands of innocent civilians to the bastards celebrating the murder of those thousands of innocent civilians should be warned or temp banned.
i cant believe how anti-american people can be. Silencing opinions you disagree with? How un-American of you. Their views are just as valid as yours.
Disagreement does not equal an attempt to silence, despite what Glenn Beck thinks.
People are making wildly outlandish comparisons for the sole purpose of pissing people off and calling them out on it is exactly how speech is supposed to work. Also just because a person holds an opinion on a matter does not make it valid.
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I don't believe that this really was Osama. That picture of his corpse doesn't proof anything. Al Qaida has to confirm his death too or something like that.
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On May 02 2011 18:24 mathemagician1986 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:21 Cloudstrife1337 wrote:
What a great day justice has finally been brought to the tyrant. I can finally say with pride our efforts are finally showing some RESULTS------- I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN I think I'll simply never comprehend the thought process of americans like you. Killing terrorists will never do anything against terrorism. The US should try to understand why terrorists want to do them harm in the first place and try to solve these issues diplomatically, before they even arise.
yeah we should just let the terrorists go free. Shouldn't even try. Let them kill innocent people, kill their own people. You got great logic. We should try too be diplomatic with people who could care less lol i'm like 99.9% sure that would not change terrorists thinking.
On this post I am done reading this topic, the amount of people who post with some insane logic just baffles me lol.
Still glad too see this guy finally dead with all the shit he's done, great job, like he said I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!
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don't know if you guys have been talking about this in the past ~40 pages.. but i just read this headline on CNN, they've been updating the story quite a bit tonight.
"OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
Terrorist leader's body buried at sea; Americans rejoice"
really? i'm not one to constantly question the government (eg birthers, the fed, 9/11 conspiracies, any other conspiracies for that matter). but that's kind of curious. we'll have to see how it develops, but it does raise question. why would they get rid of the best evidence they have so quickly? people question the legitimacy of the whole thing with or without this instaburial.
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On May 02 2011 18:21 Tippereth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:19 Supamang wrote:
this is pissing me off.
these assoles who are comparing us Americans celebrating the death of the murderer of thousands of innocent civilians to the bastards celebrating the murder of those thousands of innocent civilians should be warned or temp banned.
i cant believe how anti-american people can be. Silencing opinions you disagree with? How un-American of you. Their views are just as valid as yours.
No, stupid ideas exist that are not valid like racism and in this case sympathy for terrorists.
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On May 02 2011 18:16 napo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see You really want to compare the death of almost 3k innocent people to the death of a single man who inflicted terrible damage by killing those 3k? That said, I don't really agree with the open-street celebrations, but I DO see a huge difference between the two celebrations.
I dont see the difference.
And iam thankful that most European countries see it the same way i do.
Therefore we dont have the death penalty.
Its just a stupid circle of hate and killing. But i guess you dont see it yet because you are blinded by your wish of revenge.
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