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Keep it civil guys.

Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.

Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.

This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
May 02 2011 18:01 GMT
#2501
--- Nuked ---
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 18:03:23
May 02 2011 18:02 GMT
#2502
On May 03 2011 02:59 Krehlmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 02:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:54 zeru wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:51 Megatronn wrote:
Back on topic.. glad he's dead, wish he was tortured to death but whatever =D.

Statements like these make me lose faith in humanity. And I'll say already yes im glad he's dead too. But tortured to death? are you god damn serious?


If your faith in humanity excluded natural human instincts including the desire for retribution or revenge then your faith was clearly misplaced to begin with.

And what separates us from animals is that we control these urges lest we destroy eachother.

An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind, and I refuse to believe in any system that would trade murder for murder, torture for torture.


Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the SEALS were ordered to capture him, but he shot himself before they could and/or he was waving a gun around, threatening the life of a SEAL pointing a gun at at him, and he killed him in self-defense (both entirely plausible outcomes, given the information we currently have).

Would that make you feel warmer and fuzzier?
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
May 02 2011 18:02 GMT
#2503
On May 03 2011 03:01 SpiffD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 03:00 Thrill wrote:
Press briefing with questions live right now.


Link please

EDIT: If any?


http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 18:13:05
May 02 2011 18:03 GMT
#2504
On May 03 2011 02:58 Jimmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 02:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:54 zeru wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:51 Megatronn wrote:
Back on topic.. glad he's dead, wish he was tortured to death but whatever =D.

Statements like these make me lose faith in humanity. And I'll say already yes im glad he's dead too. But tortured to death? are you god damn serious?


If your faith in humanity excluded natural human instincts including the desire for retribution or revenge then your faith was clearly misplaced to begin with.


Procreation is a basic human instinct. By your logic everyone should go around raping people because it's natural.

Part of being human is being able to control your instincts. In fact, I'd argue that self-control is a large part of what separates us from animals.

He would need to prove his ridiculous claim first though.
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
May 02 2011 18:03 GMT
#2505
On May 03 2011 03:00 Thrill wrote:
Press briefing with questions live right now.

Golden post in a sea of uselessness, thanks for the heads up.
What does it matter how I loose it?
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
May 02 2011 18:04 GMT
#2506
On May 03 2011 03:02 Bibdy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 02:59 Krehlmar wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:54 zeru wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:51 Megatronn wrote:
Back on topic.. glad he's dead, wish he was tortured to death but whatever =D.

Statements like these make me lose faith in humanity. And I'll say already yes im glad he's dead too. But tortured to death? are you god damn serious?


If your faith in humanity excluded natural human instincts including the desire for retribution or revenge then your faith was clearly misplaced to begin with.

And what separates us from animals is that we control these urges lest we destroy eachother.

An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind, and I refuse to believe in any system that would trade murder for murder, torture for torture.


Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the SEALS were ordered to capture him, but he shot himself before they could and/or he was waving a gun around, threatening the life of a SEAL pointing a gun at at him, and he killed him in self-defense (both entirely plausible outcomes, given the information we currently have).

Would that make you feel warmer and fuzzier?


Yes it would...
NukeTheStars
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States277 Posts
May 02 2011 18:05 GMT
#2507
I used to think I cared a lot about human rights and fair trials. I'm not sure how this is different, but I don't look at celebrations on the news with disgust. I don't go "They're celebrating a man's death. That's horrible!" Maybe it's just because I'm American and was blinded with rage after a massive attack on my country. I've noticed quite a few people talking about fair trials in thread are not from the U.S. Osama wouldn't allow himself to be captured in any scenario, but even if they did manage to capture him (which they may have done if a shootout had not started), a trial would've probably held the prospect of many more retribution attacks than his death. We'll never know for sure.

Either way, I don't feel the least bit bad about this.
Kahuna.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 18:06:05
May 02 2011 18:05 GMT
#2508
On May 03 2011 03:03 Percutio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 03:00 Thrill wrote:
Press briefing with questions live right now.

Golden post in a sea of uselessness, thanks for the heads up.

What you'll here in the press briefing will also be a sea of uselessness. LoL... not so golden bro. I think this discussion is better than the press briefing, to be honest.
"Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit."
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
May 02 2011 18:06 GMT
#2509
On May 03 2011 02:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 02:54 zeru wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:51 Megatronn wrote:
Back on topic.. glad he's dead, wish he was tortured to death but whatever =D.

Statements like these make me lose faith in humanity. And I'll say already yes im glad he's dead too. But tortured to death? are you god damn serious?


If your faith in humanity excluded natural human instincts including the desire for retribution or revenge then your faith was clearly misplaced to begin with.

If Justice exist, it's precisely to do something about the vicious circle of violence created by the "instinct of retribution".

We are not animals. We deal with our instinct, and the same way you don't go and rape people you find attractive, you don't wish someone to be tortured to death whatever he has done.

Unless something is really damn wrong with your moral education.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
May 02 2011 18:06 GMT
#2510
On May 03 2011 03:04 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 03:02 Bibdy wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:59 Krehlmar wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:54 zeru wrote:
On May 03 2011 02:51 Megatronn wrote:
Back on topic.. glad he's dead, wish he was tortured to death but whatever =D.

Statements like these make me lose faith in humanity. And I'll say already yes im glad he's dead too. But tortured to death? are you god damn serious?


If your faith in humanity excluded natural human instincts including the desire for retribution or revenge then your faith was clearly misplaced to begin with.

And what separates us from animals is that we control these urges lest we destroy eachother.

An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind, and I refuse to believe in any system that would trade murder for murder, torture for torture.


Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the SEALS were ordered to capture him, but he shot himself before they could and/or he was waving a gun around, threatening the life of a SEAL pointing a gun at at him, and he killed him in self-defense (both entirely plausible outcomes, given the information we currently have).

Would that make you feel warmer and fuzzier?


Yes it would...


Cool, then maybe its worth keeping those entirely plausible outcomes in mind instead of assuming everything negative one possibly can about the situation.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15355 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 18:11:29
May 02 2011 18:08 GMT
#2511
This thread has officially gone to shit.

I am asking a sensible TL member to create a new thread. If you want to take up that task please:

1) Present the information that has transpired so far including links to sources
2) Leave opinion out of the original post
3) Keep the thread updated as more news come in. This is especially important as people will get banned for not reading the OP.

If you want to take that responsibility, please go ahead and make the new thread.
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