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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 02 2011 18:02 Genzo wrote:
i haven't read all the pages, but do people really think much is gonna change with him dead?
Al Qaeda has been largely dependent on Bin Laden's money to keep afloat. When he was cut off from his family in the 1990's while living in Sudan, a large part of the organization just left.
Does Bin Laden's death spell the end of terrorism? Of course not. However it does probably signal the death knell for the most well known organization, AQ won't survive long without the cash he provided.
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On May 02 2011 18:02 Zerokaiser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:01 Dakmaniac wrote:
i see this rather critic imo its pretty hard to believe that finally they got to find Bin laden.
i mean he was apparently killed by a shot in the head which makes it hard to identify him by his face.
a DNA test would also be rather stupid cuz i think noone has his DNA to compare them.
on another note it seems quite suspicious to me that Obama is at a kind of a hard spot at the moment in the american politic and suddenly he delivers bin ladens head and all people are travelling to the White House and chanting the national hymn with reimbursed patriotism and cheering for their "saviour" Obama !
i mean since we are constantly tricked by mostly all of the authorities in this world i tend to be rather critic when hearing such "BIG" news ... Some people are just hopeless.
how about makin a actual constructive post instead of a plain and ignorant seeming 1Liner ?
i know everyone has different views on these kind of things but maybe try to explain yourself a little bit better so anybody can follow your string of thoughts !
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On May 02 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
No picture of the body?
Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this.
Of course they will, but you have to be pretty damn silly, if not downright stupid to think they didn't take photos. Obviously they aren't going to be released anytime soon, but there are most certainly pictures. Until then, we'll just have to laugh at those who disbelieve.
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On May 02 2011 18:09 kaileah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see killing thousands of innocent civilians unprovoked = bad. Ridding the man who killed innocent civilians = good. Europeans don't seem to understand the concept of closure. Your family is murdered. The murderer and his gang celebrate the death of your family. For a decade, the murderer is not caught. However, he is finally killed. Is it a bad thing that he was killed? And understand that the US government, if possible, has a lot more reasons to capture osama alive than to kill him. Ridding the world of osama was necessary for millions of americans to gain some closure.
"Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya."
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten
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I remember when 9/11 happened everyone was pretty disgusted at those people in certain arabic countries that celebrated the killing of thousands civilians.
Now look what the last 10 years did to us.
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On May 02 2011 18:10 Dakmaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:02 Zerokaiser wrote:On May 02 2011 18:01 Dakmaniac wrote:
i see this rather critic imo its pretty hard to believe that finally they got to find Bin laden.
i mean he was apparently killed by a shot in the head which makes it hard to identify him by his face.
a DNA test would also be rather stupid cuz i think noone has his DNA to compare them.
on another note it seems quite suspicious to me that Obama is at a kind of a hard spot at the moment in the american politic and suddenly he delivers bin ladens head and all people are travelling to the White House and chanting the national hymn with reimbursed patriotism and cheering for their "saviour" Obama !
i mean since we are constantly tricked by mostly all of the authorities in this world i tend to be rather critic when hearing such "BIG" news ... Some people are just hopeless. how about makin a actual constructive post instead of a plain and ignorant seeming 1Liner ? i know everyone has different views on these kind of things but maybe try to explain yourself a little bit better so anybody can follow your string of thoughts !
How about you read up on how DNA works and look at the image of his head? You're not being critical, you're being daft.
Anyway, how does this work with international relationships? I don't give two damns about Osama being assassinated/killed, but can the U.S just send a task force into Pakistan? How does that work?
On May 02 2011 18:11 DorN wrote:
I remember when 9/11 happened everyone was pretty disgusted at those people in certain arabic countries that celebrated the killing of thousands civilians.
Now look what the last 10 years did to us.
3000 civilians =/= One person who's constantly threatened to kill civilians while also killing 3000 in a single attack.
Are you serious?
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ok so his body has already been disposed at sea...... that's interesting
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On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see
Killing ~3000 innocents = barbarism.
Killing 1 person responsible for the deaths of thousands of people = justice.
The fact that you are equating the two means you didn't really give any serious thought to your post.
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On May 02 2011 18:01 Dakmaniac wrote:
i see this rather critic imo its pretty hard to believe that finally they got to find Bin laden.
i mean he was apparently killed by a shot in the head which makes it hard to identify him by his face.
a DNA test would also be rather stupid cuz i think noone has his DNA to compare them.
on another note it seems quite suspicious to me that Obama is at a kind of a hard spot at the moment in the american politic and suddenly he delivers bin ladens head and all people are travelling to the White House and chanting the national hymn with reimbursed patriotism and cheering for their "saviour" Obama !
i mean since we are constantly tricked by mostly all of the authorities in this world i tend to be rather critic when hearing such "BIG" news ...
Eh, you seem genuinely uninformed so Ill be civil about it.
First of all, the Navy SEALs asked first for his surrender before shooting him in the head. They could identify him there.
Second of all, depending on the caliber of the bullet and the power of the gun shot, his face could very easily be identifiable. In fact, unless it was a magnum, a high powered sniper rifle, or a bunch of bullets hitting him in the face, I really really doubt his face would be too mutilated for identification.
Third, he has a son and other family members to match the DNA. They matched his DNA to his sisters DNA. It definitely was Osama.
Fourth, Obama has been at a hard spot in politics for a very very long time. Considering that Republicans are taking a lot of flak for their budget plans and for the stupidity that is the "birther" movement, I would say Obama is in a much better spot than he has been for a while.
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On May 02 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
No picture of the body?
Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this.
There are photos, pretty morbid though. Google it yourself. It looks like he got shot around around his left eye.
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On May 02 2011 18:12 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:10 Dakmaniac wrote:On May 02 2011 18:02 Zerokaiser wrote:On May 02 2011 18:01 Dakmaniac wrote:
i see this rather critic imo its pretty hard to believe that finally they got to find Bin laden.
i mean he was apparently killed by a shot in the head which makes it hard to identify him by his face.
a DNA test would also be rather stupid cuz i think noone has his DNA to compare them.
on another note it seems quite suspicious to me that Obama is at a kind of a hard spot at the moment in the american politic and suddenly he delivers bin ladens head and all people are travelling to the White House and chanting the national hymn with reimbursed patriotism and cheering for their "saviour" Obama !
i mean since we are constantly tricked by mostly all of the authorities in this world i tend to be rather critic when hearing such "BIG" news ... Some people are just hopeless. how about makin a actual constructive post instead of a plain and ignorant seeming 1Liner ? i know everyone has different views on these kind of things but maybe try to explain yourself a little bit better so anybody can follow your string of thoughts ! How about you read up on how DNA works and look at the image of his head? You're not being critical, you're being daft. Anyway, how does this work with international relationships? I don't give two damns about Osama being assassinated/killed, but can the U.S just send a task force into Pakistan? How does that work?
obama thanked pakistan gov. for assisting in the operation... so i guess they got the green light from the pakistani gov before they did the operation.
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On May 02 2011 18:13 Zerokaiser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
No picture of the body?
Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this. There are photos, pretty morbid though. Google it yourself. It looks like he got shot around around his left eye.
Fake picture. The US government hasn't released the actual pictures yet...the ones floating around now have been traced back to a website post from november of last year.
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On May 02 2011 18:13 nitdkim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:12 vyyye wrote:On May 02 2011 18:10 Dakmaniac wrote:On May 02 2011 18:02 Zerokaiser wrote:On May 02 2011 18:01 Dakmaniac wrote:
i see this rather critic imo its pretty hard to believe that finally they got to find Bin laden.
i mean he was apparently killed by a shot in the head which makes it hard to identify him by his face.
a DNA test would also be rather stupid cuz i think noone has his DNA to compare them.
on another note it seems quite suspicious to me that Obama is at a kind of a hard spot at the moment in the american politic and suddenly he delivers bin ladens head and all people are travelling to the White House and chanting the national hymn with reimbursed patriotism and cheering for their "saviour" Obama !
i mean since we are constantly tricked by mostly all of the authorities in this world i tend to be rather critic when hearing such "BIG" news ... Some people are just hopeless. how about makin a actual constructive post instead of a plain and ignorant seeming 1Liner ? i know everyone has different views on these kind of things but maybe try to explain yourself a little bit better so anybody can follow your string of thoughts ! How about you read up on how DNA works and look at the image of his head? You're not being critical, you're being daft. Anyway, how does this work with international relationships? I don't give two damns about Osama being assassinated/killed, but can the U.S just send a task force into Pakistan? How does that work? obama thanked pakistan gov. for assisting in the operation... so i guess they got the green light from the pakistani gov before they did the operation.
I think thanking the Pakistan government was an act of keeping relations more than anything.
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On May 02 2011 18:14 partisan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:13 Zerokaiser wrote:On May 02 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
No picture of the body?
Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this. There are photos, pretty morbid though. Google it yourself. It looks like he got shot around around his left eye. Fake picture. The US government hasn't released the actual pictures yet...the ones floating around now have been traced back to a website post from november of last year.
I stand corrected.
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On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see
You really want to compare the death of almost 3k innocent people to the death of a single man who inflicted terrible damage by killing those 3k?
That said, I don't really agree with the open-street celebrations, but I DO see a huge difference between the two celebrations.
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[b]On May 02 2011 18:09 partisan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:02 Genzo wrote:
i haven't read all the pages, but do people really think much is gonna change with him dead? Al Qaeda has been largely dependent on Bin Laden's money to keep afloat. When he was cut off from his family in the 1990's while living in Sudan, a large part of the organization just left. Does Bin Laden's death spell the end of terrorism? Of course not. However it does probably signal the death knell for the most well known organization, AQ won't survive long without the cash he provided.
WikiLeaks cables assess terrorism funding in Saudi Arabia, Gulf states
"Terrorist funding emanating from Saudi Arabia remains a serious concern." So states a cable prepared for the visit of U.S. Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke to the kingdom earlier this year.
It is one of several that have appeared on the WikiLeaks site to indicate that despite some progress, the flow of cash to extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan from individuals and charities in the Gulf has certainly not been halted.
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/world/wikileaks.terrorism.funding_1_saudi-arabia-terrorist-funding-terrorist-groups?_s=PM:WORLD
The Saudi Connection
How billions in oil money spawned a global terror network
U.S. intelligence officials knew about Saudi Arabia's role in funding terrorism by 1996, yet for years Washington did almost nothing to stop it. Examining the Saudi role in terrorism, a senior intelligence analyst says, was "virtually taboo." Even after the embassy bombings in Africa, moves by counterterrorism officials to act against the Saudis were repeatedly rebuffed by senior staff at the State Department and elsewhere who felt that other foreign policy interests outweighed fighting terrorism.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/031215/15terror.htm
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On May 02 2011 18:13 Zerokaiser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
No picture of the body?
Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this. There are photos, pretty morbid though. Google it yourself. It looks like he got shot around around his left eye.
I'll take your word for it :p
Edit: or not, I don't really care.
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On May 02 2011 18:07 Supamang wrote:
To put to rest all of the BS about how we shoulda "held a trial" or whatnot for the man who masterminded the murder of thousands of American civilians (not even soldiers, mind you), the Navy SEALs who killed Osama Bin Laden actually asked him if he would surrender quietly. Of course he did not and the firefight ensued.
Well, does that not imply that the Navy SEALs, too, believed that he schould be taken alive and put to trial? That is a good thing. Even if they had to kill him in the aftermath, they first chose to go the civil route.
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On May 02 2011 18:09 kaileah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 18:04 Spitmode wrote:
so when 9/11 happened and people in the arab world were celebrating in the streets thats bad and when ten thousand americans celebrate in the street when osama is killed thats good? i see killing thousands of innocent civilians unprovoked = bad. Ridding the man who killed innocent civilians = good. Europeans don't seem to understand the concept of closure. Your family is murdered. The murderer and his gang celebrate the death of your family. For a decade, the murderer is not caught. However, he is finally killed. Is it a bad thing that he was killed? And understand that the US government, if possible, has a lot more reasons to capture osama alive than to kill him. Ridding the world of osama was necessary for millions of americans to gain some closure.
So let's say people in Iraq would celebrate the death of an american soldier who tortured and killed people in Abu Ghraib.
Would that be alright by your moral standards?
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On May 02 2011 18:12 oldgregg wrote:
ok so his body has already been disposed at sea...... that's interesting
It's of Islamic custom to bury a body within twenty-four hours of it's death. If he was given a ground burial, it provides the possibility of shrines or 'holy ground' being set in place to worship and honor him. The U.S. doesn't want that, so they buried him at sea. The middle east dislikes us enough as is, we really don't want to go around disrespecting an entire religion. Although he's a killer and a horrible person, he was still Islamic.
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