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Keep it civil guys. Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans. The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally. Confirmation was as follows - On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive. - photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis - confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan. This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death. | ||
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LedFarmer
United States161 Posts
Nothing wrong with being happy or celebrating his death, he was a terrible person. I hope this will help those that lost family members in the 9/11 attack get some closure, I know it gave our country closure. I can't wait till the pictures are released, this one will have to do till then. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.spikednation.com/sites/default/files/emvideo-youtube-eQ47eGSilPc.jpg) | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:24 mathemagician1986 wrote: I think I'll simply never comprehend the thought process of americans like you. Killing terrorists will never do anything against terrorism. The US should try to understand why terrorists want to do them harm in the first place and try to solve these issues diplomatically, before they even arise. You should read up on the ideology of AQ and Bin laden. The idea that any negotiation could ever take place with that man is laughable. As an American, I'm proud that a murderer was brought to justice. I lament the fact that this victory is largely symbolic, but the world is just a little bit safer as a result. There are times for diplomacy and times to fight, me being a big fan of the former but recognizing that there was no other option in this situation. | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:24 mathemagician1986 wrote: I think I'll simply never comprehend the thought process of americans like you. Killing terrorists will never do anything against terrorism. The US should try to understand why terrorists want to do them harm in the first place and try to solve these issues diplomatically, before they even arise. No, I'm pretty sure we do have to kill them. At this point we can't give them what they want, because what they want is to kill us. Not to say the we (the West) aren't in part responsible for this, but now it's too late to change that. | ||
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HARMevent
Barbados28 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:24 Zerokaiser wrote: It's completely out of the question that the US government would fake the death. The people who believe that are completely wound up in their won conspiracy genetics. Put aside your silly theories for a second here in favour of, I don't know, common-fucking-sense. Let's say the government fakes Osama's death. The United States is super pleased and it's being praised as a victory for counter-terrorism and the world in general. I don't know...it seems like that might not work if...let's say... Osama Bin Laden releases a new video in response. American government exposed, world moral plummets, etc. etc. etc. Jesus Christ, you people are talking like Bin Laden would be totally cool with the entire world reuniting in victory against Al Qaeda. I can't even think of a pretty way to write that, it's just god damn obvious. You don't seem to understand that to conspiracy theorists, Tim Osman and the USA are in cahoots and the gubbament did 9/11. I'll give them one thing, they're better at critical thinking than you. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:28 Shigy wrote: don't know if you guys have been talking about this in the past ~40 pages.. but i just read this headline on CNN, they've been updating the story quite a bit tonight. really? i'm not one to constantly question the government (eg birthers, the fed, 9/11 conspiracies, any other conspiracies for that matter). but that's kind of curious. we'll have to see how it develops, but it does raise question. why would they get rid of the best evidence they have so quickly? people question the legitimacy of the whole thing with or without this instaburial. dug this up out of curiosity http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/02/why-was-bin-laden-buried-at-sea-so-quickly/ so we're OK with stuff like guantanamo bay, which goes against so many human rights practices, and our own constitution bla bla bla. yet we can't hold onto the most wanted motherfucker in the world for over 24 hours in respect of islamic tradition? please | ||
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Tippereth
United States252 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:25 partisan wrote: Disagreement does not equal an attempt to silence, despite what Glenn Beck thinks. People are making wildly outlandish comparisons for the sole purpose of pissing people off and calling them out on it is exactly how speech is supposed to work. Also just because a person holds an opinion on a matter does not make it valid. "these assoles who are comparing us Americans celebrating the death of the murderer of thousands of innocent civilians to the bastards celebrating the murder of those thousands of innocent civilians should be warned or temp banned." Maybe you missed it, so I bolded it for you. If you disagree with their views you're free to voice your dissent. Saying they should be banned is not, I feel, a very American sentiment. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:28 Fraidnot wrote: No, stupid ideas exist that are not valid like racism and in this case sympathy for terrorists. Sympathy for terrorists isn't all that weird. It's not like all of them grow up in societies similar to ours, with our ethical and moral grounds and they suddenly decide they hate Westerners and want to kill them. There are obviously some of them who are, in every sense of the word, evil. But a lot are just bloody fanatics who don't know better. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:25 partisan wrote: Disagreement does not equal an attempt to silence, despite what Glenn Beck thinks. People are making wildly outlandish comparisons for the sole purpose of pissing people off and calling them out on it is exactly how speech is supposed to work. Also just because a person holds an opinion on a matter does not make it valid. He called for people to be warn of temp banned. That is not just "disagreement." On May 02 2011 18:24 Zerokaiser wrote: It's completely out of the question that the US government would fake the death. The people who believe that are completely wound up in their won conspiracy genetics. Put aside your silly theories for a second here in favour of, I don't know, common-fucking-sense. Let's say the government fakes Osama's death. The United States is super pleased and it's being praised as a victory for counter-terrorism and the world in general. I don't know...it seems like that might not work if...let's say... Osama Bin Laden releases a new video in response. American government exposed, world moral plummets, etc. etc. etc. Jesus Christ, you people are talking like Bin Laden would be totally cool with the entire world reuniting in victory against Al Qaeda. I can't even think of a pretty way to write that, it's just god damn obvious. The real (!?!) conspiracy theories will probably say that they captured him alive to keep in some hidden bunker for all eternity.  | ||
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Stylus
United States157 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:28 Shigy wrote: don't know if you guys have been talking about this in the past ~40 pages.. but i just read this headline on CNN, they've been updating the story quite a bit tonight. really? i'm not one to constantly question the government (eg birthers, the fed, 9/11 conspiracies, any other conspiracies for that matter). but that's kind of curious. we'll have to see how it develops, but it does raise question. why would they get rid of the best evidence they have so quickly? people question the legitimacy of the whole thing with or without this instaburial. According to a U.S. official on May 2, bin Laden's body was handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition,[10] and was buried at sea soon after death, in accordance with Islamic tradition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden | ||
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GGitsJack
New Zealand426 Posts
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:29 DorN wrote: I dont see the difference. And iam thankful that most European countries see it the same way i do. Therefore we dont have the death penalty. Its just a stupid circle of hate and killing. But i guess you dont see it yet because you are blinded by your wish of revenge. Revenge plays a part but so does basic morality. Cheering at the deaths of innocent people is indefensible. Cheering when a murdered dies is pretty understandable. I'm guessing you watch movies like Lord of the Rings and complain about why everyone is so mean towards Sauron. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:30 Shigy wrote: dug this up out of curiosity http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/02/why-was-bin-laden-buried-at-sea-so-quickly/ so we're OK with stuff like guantanamo bay, which goes against so many human rights practices, and our own constitution bla bla bla. yet we can't hold onto the most wanted motherfucker in the world for over 24 hours in respect of islamic tradition? please Remember what happened to the Danish guy who made the Mohammed comic? Considering how big this "event" (what word to use?) is I don't think respecting Islamic traditions is a bad call. | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:29 DorN wrote: I dont see the difference. And iam thankful that most European countries see it the same way i do. Therefore we dont have the death penalty. Its just a stupid circle of hate and killing. But i guess you dont see it yet because you are blinded by your wish of revenge. There are some people who do not deserve to walk with the rest of humanity anymore, that's my opinion. Deaths of innocent civilians should not be celebrated, the death of the puppeteer behind thousands of murders is something different. I'm not American, and I don't have any feelings of revenge or even hate for Bin Laden or Al Qaeda, but I believe that even if only a tiny, tiny bit, the world is a better place in his absence. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:24 Zerokaiser wrote: It's completely out of the question that the US government would fake the death. The people who believe that are completely wound up in their won conspiracy genetics. Put aside your silly theories for a second here in favour of, I don't know, common-fucking-sense. Let's say the government fakes Osama's death. The United States is super pleased and it's being praised as a victory for counter-terrorism and the world in general. I don't know...it seems like that might not work if...let's say... Osama Bin Laden releases a new video in response. American government exposed, world moral plummets, etc. etc. etc. Jesus Christ, you people are talking like Bin Laden would be totally cool with the entire world reuniting in victory against Al Qaeda. I can't even think of a pretty way to write that, it's just god damn obvious. there have been reports saying that bin laden was dead since 2001 | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:34 ImFromPortugal wrote: there have been reports saying that bin laden was dead since 2001 My GF.. ex RAF Techie (British Royal Air force) swears she overheard on the Hanger Radio that he died a long time ago. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:31 vyyye wrote: Sympathy for terrorists isn't all that weird. It's not like all of them grow up in societies similar to ours, with our ethical and moral grounds and they suddenly decide they hate Westerners and want to kill them. There are obviously some of them who are, in every sense of the word, evil. But a lot are just bloody fanatics who don't know better. I think sympathy for terrorists should be pretty damn rare. On the other hand I do pity them. In most cases its just dumb kids being used by people like Bin Laden to carry out their own political agenda | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4691 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:30 HARMevent wrote: You don't seem to understand that to conspiracy theorists, Tim Osman and the USA are in cahoots and the gubbament did 9/11. I'll give them one thing, they're better at critical thinking than you. I was kinda wondering if Osama prepared a video just in case. Handed it over to someone who wasnt even near him and order it to be released in a event of his death. That kind of tape would cause a lot of harm to US image. Especialy fueling conspiracy theories. But somehow i think Osama was to cocky for such prequestions. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On May 02 2011 17:49 kaileah wrote: If I remember correctly, US troops captured Saddam Hussein (why is anyone calling him with his first name only?) but he was sentence to death by an Iraqi trial. While my heart says that Mr. Hussein deserved to die many thousand times, my head says that death penalty still is wrong even when dealing with monsters of this magnitude.you assume that it was possible to capture him alive without losing the lives of US soldiers. you assume that the Pakistan government would have allowed for Bin Laden to leave their custody. you assume that in a firefight that lasted about 40 (?) minutes, that it would have been possible to just take him out of the mansion quietly. the US soldiers did what was necessary. we captured Saddam alive (different circumstances), gave him a public trial, and then executed him. most likely, that would have been ideal for bin laden as well. make an example out of him in front of the world, execute him, and then dump his body at sea. just came down to would we rather have bin laden dead or give him a chance to escape again. Killing someone with no trial is even more wrong. Bin Ladens death – and the death of the other guys who were killed as he was executed – cannot not bring back the dead. Someone who claims having moral superiority should act properly. We may be can kill Bin Laden, but we cannot kill the views of the terrorists. In the end I consider Bin Laden's death a relieve in the sense that he presented an active threat to us. A part in me congratulates the US president that he ordered to do the dirty work. But then I am concerned about my own feelings. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:35 Gingerninja wrote: My GF.. ex RAF Techie (British Royal Air force) swears she overheard on the Hanger Radio that he died a long time ago. Well if that isn't proof, I don't know what is. | ||
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