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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 02 2011 17:19 BeaSteR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:16 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 17:14 BeaSteR wrote:On May 02 2011 17:11 MasterFischer wrote:
Osama Bin laden was a tyrant and a murderer of civilian and military personnel ALL over the world.
Not just americans, europeans, but his "own" people, muslims, iraqis, pakistanis, irans and so on.
He was a global terrorist, a fantatic, with psychotic visions of how to carry forth the will of his deity and his terrorist people.
His death is a blessing to the world, all across the world. Nobody like him deserves to be left alive, simply because he will never stop trying to upset the peace, order and civility of the human world.
I don't find death and chaos funny, but I i take a particular joy in knowing this dangerous man, is finally no longer on this earth. Alas, the world might JUST be a little.. just a little, more safer, for many many people.
I agree mostly and also take joy in this event. In the long run this is important and will probably weaken the spirit of the current and soon to be terrorists. In the short run the attacks may intensify, so I hope the intelligence forces will stop any terrorist display of anger. if you really think that this is somehow important in the long run and will weaken the spirit of terrorists you are naive beyond words. This event obviously has impact on the world community and recruiting new terrorists will probably be harder. You seem to be sad Osama is dead, you little troll 
If anything recruiting new terrorists will be easier now.
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On May 02 2011 17:19 Minastir wrote:Btw, the image of dead Bin Laden is a few years old photoshop, please don't circulate it around as a proof of his death, please. Proof: + Show Spoiler +
wow nice catch!
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On May 02 2011 17:19 Vitamins wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:18 eLiE wrote:
Sigh, I feel a shit storm incoming. You can't kill the leader of a terrorist organization without there being repercussions. I hope I'm wrong. You are way too paranoid.
Then the rest of the world is paranoid too. USA has already raised their awareness levels. Pakistan and many middle eastern countries have mobilized their military and are preparing for anything. Europe is in a heightened state of awareness as well i believe. Its completely rational to believe that one of the biggest terror organizations will take drastic actions in backlash of their leader dying. We'd be foolish to think otherwise and be unprepared.
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On May 02 2011 17:20 Electric.Jesus wrote:
merely that they provided Osama with the military and tactical knowledge he used to murder innocent civilians.
But how could they have known that he was going to use that knowledge for terrorism?
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On May 02 2011 17:16 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:14 BeaSteR wrote:On May 02 2011 17:11 MasterFischer wrote:
Osama Bin laden was a tyrant and a murderer of civilian and military personnel ALL over the world.
Not just americans, europeans, but his "own" people, muslims, iraqis, pakistanis, irans and so on.
He was a global terrorist, a fantatic, with psychotic visions of how to carry forth the will of his deity and his terrorist people.
His death is a blessing to the world, all across the world. Nobody like him deserves to be left alive, simply because he will never stop trying to upset the peace, order and civility of the human world.
I don't find death and chaos funny, but I i take a particular joy in knowing this dangerous man, is finally no longer on this earth. Alas, the world might JUST be a little.. just a little, more safer, for many many people.
I agree mostly and also take joy in this event. In the long run this is important and will probably weaken the spirit of the current and soon to be terrorists. In the short run the attacks may intensify, so I hope the intelligence forces will stop any terrorist display of anger. if you really think that this is somehow important in the long run and will weaken the spirit of terrorists you are naive beyond words.
You are just as naive to think your in a position to make such a call.
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On May 02 2011 17:19 Vitamins wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:18 eLiE wrote:
Sigh, I feel a shit storm incoming. You can't kill the leader of a terrorist organization without there being repercussions. I hope I'm wrong. You are way too paranoid.
So is the US foreign ministry, as it seems. Apparently, they have issued a warning to the employees of US embassies to avoid demonstrations and mass events until 1st August due to fear of retaliation.
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On May 02 2011 17:22 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:20 Electric.Jesus wrote:
merely that they provided Osama with the military and tactical knowledge he used to murder innocent civilians. But how could they have known that he was going to use that knowledge for terrorism?
Because the entire reason they gave him money and training was to commit terrorist acts against the Soviets...
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On May 02 2011 17:23 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:16 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 17:14 BeaSteR wrote:On May 02 2011 17:11 MasterFischer wrote:
Osama Bin laden was a tyrant and a murderer of civilian and military personnel ALL over the world.
Not just americans, europeans, but his "own" people, muslims, iraqis, pakistanis, irans and so on.
He was a global terrorist, a fantatic, with psychotic visions of how to carry forth the will of his deity and his terrorist people.
His death is a blessing to the world, all across the world. Nobody like him deserves to be left alive, simply because he will never stop trying to upset the peace, order and civility of the human world.
I don't find death and chaos funny, but I i take a particular joy in knowing this dangerous man, is finally no longer on this earth. Alas, the world might JUST be a little.. just a little, more safer, for many many people.
I agree mostly and also take joy in this event. In the long run this is important and will probably weaken the spirit of the current and soon to be terrorists. In the short run the attacks may intensify, so I hope the intelligence forces will stop any terrorist display of anger. if you really think that this is somehow important in the long run and will weaken the spirit of terrorists you are naive beyond words. You are just as naive to think your in a position to make such a call.
And you are even more naive to think you are in a position to judge my position to make calls.
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yeah..
"we killed Bin Laden but we're way too smart to give proof of this, relax though, the 50 people who were in on this operation swear it was carried out. oh and we shot him in the face just in case we need to release a picture, but we did the dna tests, 's all good baby".
really ?
i could buy that he's dead or not care, since there's a high probability he had already died years ago and it's irrelevant, but going out in the streets to celebrate basically nothing but the word of the president on a matter that's hardly more than a moral victory all things considered i can't justify.
especially since to this day the promised conclusive evidence that it was him behind 9/11 has yet to be released, ye, i said conclusive, so keep all the fbi investigation crap and supposedly linked bank accounts to possible al-qaeda hubs and shit to yourself.
the guy deserved/s one through the face, and i'm diggin' all the Obama memes, but let's keep things in perspective, that guy summed it up perfectly when he said
"10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths & $1,188,263,000,000 later, we managed to kill one person. I hope it was worth it."
even if the whole procvess that led from 9/11 to today is legit, this guy's death by american troops means little to nothing in 2011, they're about 5 years too late for the party to have any significance, except some emotional solace for some of the families of the al-qaeda bombings victims. and even that gets nullified by the sorrow of all the families who lost kids in iraq and afghanistan, not to mention the dirt of destroying two fucking countries for close to no reason that will never wash away.
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On May 02 2011 17:24 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:22 SolHeiM wrote:On May 02 2011 17:20 Electric.Jesus wrote:
merely that they provided Osama with the military and tactical knowledge he used to murder innocent civilians. But how could they have known that he was going to use that knowledge for terrorism? Because the entire reason they gave him money and training was to commit terrorist acts against the Soviets...
No they tought him how to engage in guerilla warfare. If you can't tell the difference you need to educate yourself.
This idea that America basically trained Osama Bin Laden is ridiculous and can only be born from the minds of those who know nothing of history. The training he gave received would have in no way aided him in atacking the twin towers unless his atack plan was comprised out of shooting an RPG at the twin towers from a hill and then running away.
Stop spreading falsehoods.
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On May 02 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:02 FaZe wrote:On May 02 2011 16:35 travis wrote:"Durrr, you're trolling." Well thought out retort guys. I said nothing that isn't true. If his death brings more peace to the world then that's great but I am not going to celebrate someone's death, let alone the death of someone I didn't know. On May 02 2011 16:35 Angra wrote:On May 02 2011 16:29 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 16:26 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:22 travis wrote:On May 02 2011 16:08 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:05 Drewx wrote:
Wow crazy times we live in. These scenes from the States look crazy would never expect to see anything like that where I live. If Australia were put into the exact circumstances that the US is currently, the reaction would be exactly the same. We aren't monsters for celebrating the death of a monster. ppl are monsters for celebrating any man's death, if that's what they are actually celebrating he was born a child, he had a mother and father and hopes and dreams. he had challenges and successes and love and fear and hate. that's reality. he was just a man like you or me and now he is dead. You're a fool if you actually feel this way. Sure, he was a man, just like you and me, but that is where the similarities end. He was human, but there was no humanity about him. I celebrate his death because he deserved to die, and that is undeniable. with the same reasoning people in the middle east celebrated the death of the 9/11 victims. I guess the difference is they are wrong and you are right, isnt it? What if the people seen celebrating had family or friends who died in the 9/11 attacks? Shouldn't they be happy then that their family/friends' killer was brought to justice? Or should they just take it with a straight face and show no emotion whatsoever, even though they had personal connections to deaths from a terrorist attack? Maybe you're the one who's being insensitive by telling other people how they should be reacting when they could potentially have a HUGE emotional investment in this whole thing, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, children, loved friends. Ever think about that? Those people would be celebrating in the name of revenge. And while that's common, it's definitely on the undesirable side when it comes to behavior. Anyways, most of these people were not that emotionally invested. He was undeniably evil. But what made him that way? Reflecting on his life, we should mourn for the hate and anger that people inflict on one another that cause these actions. If he was brought up in a 1st world, developed country - I'm sure his life would have gone differently. Instead of striving for understanding and compassion, we cheer the death of our enemies. It's self destructive. If he was brought up in a 1st world developed country? He came from an extremely wealthy family. The man was a mass murderer. He is the one responsible for the 9/11 attacks. I celebrate him being killed. Why? Because he deserved it. Because I know people who lost family in 9/11. They have told be they can sleep just a little bit easier knowing he has been killed. That right there is enough for me to celebrate because those people have gone through hell and they never deserved it. This man brought so much pain to millions of people. Him being killed helps relieve it just a tiny bit. So before you criticize someone for celebrating his death, imagine your brother being killed along with 1000s of others because of this man. Wouldn't you be happy that the man responsible for it all has been brought to justice?
can you explain why on the fbi site he wasnt wanted for the 911 attacks? thanks.
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On May 02 2011 17:10 Gonozal wrote:
by the way - which court said bin laden deserves the death?
i mean - thats the way it usually goes. You have to go to court and you will be punished. Were was Bin ladens lawsuit?
User was warned for this post
Since terrorism is prosecuted in every single democratic country the USA most likely had a lawsuit running cause they searched for him. And even if they for some reason had not there's still Den Haag and crimes against humanity.
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On May 02 2011 17:26 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:23 Ownos wrote:On May 02 2011 17:16 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 17:14 BeaSteR wrote:On May 02 2011 17:11 MasterFischer wrote:
Osama Bin laden was a tyrant and a murderer of civilian and military personnel ALL over the world.
Not just americans, europeans, but his "own" people, muslims, iraqis, pakistanis, irans and so on.
He was a global terrorist, a fantatic, with psychotic visions of how to carry forth the will of his deity and his terrorist people.
His death is a blessing to the world, all across the world. Nobody like him deserves to be left alive, simply because he will never stop trying to upset the peace, order and civility of the human world.
I don't find death and chaos funny, but I i take a particular joy in knowing this dangerous man, is finally no longer on this earth. Alas, the world might JUST be a little.. just a little, more safer, for many many people.
I agree mostly and also take joy in this event. In the long run this is important and will probably weaken the spirit of the current and soon to be terrorists. In the short run the attacks may intensify, so I hope the intelligence forces will stop any terrorist display of anger. if you really think that this is somehow important in the long run and will weaken the spirit of terrorists you are naive beyond words. You are just as naive to think your in a position to make such a call. And you are even more naive to think you are in a position to judge my position to make calls.
This entire thread just reached the point of no return.
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On May 02 2011 17:23 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:16 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 17:14 BeaSteR wrote:On May 02 2011 17:11 MasterFischer wrote:
Osama Bin laden was a tyrant and a murderer of civilian and military personnel ALL over the world.
Not just americans, europeans, but his "own" people, muslims, iraqis, pakistanis, irans and so on.
He was a global terrorist, a fantatic, with psychotic visions of how to carry forth the will of his deity and his terrorist people.
His death is a blessing to the world, all across the world. Nobody like him deserves to be left alive, simply because he will never stop trying to upset the peace, order and civility of the human world.
I don't find death and chaos funny, but I i take a particular joy in knowing this dangerous man, is finally no longer on this earth. Alas, the world might JUST be a little.. just a little, more safer, for many many people.
I agree mostly and also take joy in this event. In the long run this is important and will probably weaken the spirit of the current and soon to be terrorists. In the short run the attacks may intensify, so I hope the intelligence forces will stop any terrorist display of anger. if you really think that this is somehow important in the long run and will weaken the spirit of terrorists you are naive beyond words. You are just as naive to think your in a position to make such a call.
Right, because obviously this event will change the USA so people all of a sudden don't have reasons to hate on you guys??
It's a no-brainer really, there's a lot of people with a lot of good reasons to stand up and fight against the US, unless Osama was the main reason for people to stand up and fight for the US (Hint: He's not) nothing will change.
:Edit: Wrote Obama instead of Osama, lolol
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On May 02 2011 17:17 Aurocaido wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 02 2011 17:02 FaZe wrote:On May 02 2011 16:35 travis wrote:"Durrr, you're trolling." Well thought out retort guys. I said nothing that isn't true. If his death brings more peace to the world then that's great but I am not going to celebrate someone's death, let alone the death of someone I didn't know. On May 02 2011 16:35 Angra wrote:On May 02 2011 16:29 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 16:26 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:22 travis wrote:On May 02 2011 16:08 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:05 Drewx wrote:
Wow crazy times we live in. These scenes from the States look crazy would never expect to see anything like that where I live. If Australia were put into the exact circumstances that the US is currently, the reaction would be exactly the same. We aren't monsters for celebrating the death of a monster. ppl are monsters for celebrating any man's death, if that's what they are actually celebrating he was born a child, he had a mother and father and hopes and dreams. he had challenges and successes and love and fear and hate. that's reality. he was just a man like you or me and now he is dead. You're a fool if you actually feel this way. Sure, he was a man, just like you and me, but that is where the similarities end. He was human, but there was no humanity about him. I celebrate his death because he deserved to die, and that is undeniable. with the same reasoning people in the middle east celebrated the death of the 9/11 victims. I guess the difference is they are wrong and you are right, isnt it? What if the people seen celebrating had family or friends who died in the 9/11 attacks? Shouldn't they be happy then that their family/friends' killer was brought to justice? Or should they just take it with a straight face and show no emotion whatsoever, even though they had personal connections to deaths from a terrorist attack? Maybe you're the one who's being insensitive by telling other people how they should be reacting when they could potentially have a HUGE emotional investment in this whole thing, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, children, loved friends. Ever think about that? Those people would be celebrating in the name of revenge. And while that's common, it's definitely on the undesirable side when it comes to behavior. Anyways, most of these people were not that emotionally invested. He was undeniably evil. But what made him that way? Reflecting on his life, we should mourn for the hate and anger that people inflict on one another that cause these actions. If he was brought up in a 1st world, developed country - I'm sure his life would have gone differently. Instead of striving for understanding and compassion, we cheer the death of our enemies. It's self destructive. If he was brought up in a 1st world developed country? He came from an extremely wealthy family. The man was a mass murderer. He is the one responsible for the 9/11 attacks. I celebrate him being killed. Why? Because he deserved it. Because I know people who lost family in 9/11. They have told be they can sleep just a little bit easier knowing he has been killed. That right there is enough for me to celebrate because those people have gone through hell and they never deserved it. This man brought so much pain to millions of people. Him being killed helps relieve it just a tiny bit. So before you criticize someone for celebrating his death, imagine your brother being killed along with 1000s of others because of this man. Wouldn't you be happy that the man responsible for it all has been brought to justice? Killing Bin Laden would not bring my brother back to life. Nothing would change and I would not feel joy.
you say that now. Imagine if your brother had been one of the 9/11 deaths. I guarantee it you would be happy that the person behind your brothers death was brought to justice. This also guarantee's he does this to no one elses family so nobody else has to lose a brother/father/sister/mother to this horrible man. He would have been killed either way for his crimes either by trial (death penalty) or how he did. The end result would have been the same. I am sorry that as of right now you don't understand it.
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On May 02 2011 17:17 Aurocaido wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 02 2011 17:02 FaZe wrote:On May 02 2011 16:35 travis wrote:"Durrr, you're trolling." Well thought out retort guys. I said nothing that isn't true. If his death brings more peace to the world then that's great but I am not going to celebrate someone's death, let alone the death of someone I didn't know. On May 02 2011 16:35 Angra wrote:On May 02 2011 16:29 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 16:26 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:22 travis wrote:On May 02 2011 16:08 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:05 Drewx wrote:
Wow crazy times we live in. These scenes from the States look crazy would never expect to see anything like that where I live. If Australia were put into the exact circumstances that the US is currently, the reaction would be exactly the same. We aren't monsters for celebrating the death of a monster. ppl are monsters for celebrating any man's death, if that's what they are actually celebrating he was born a child, he had a mother and father and hopes and dreams. he had challenges and successes and love and fear and hate. that's reality. he was just a man like you or me and now he is dead. You're a fool if you actually feel this way. Sure, he was a man, just like you and me, but that is where the similarities end. He was human, but there was no humanity about him. I celebrate his death because he deserved to die, and that is undeniable. with the same reasoning people in the middle east celebrated the death of the 9/11 victims. I guess the difference is they are wrong and you are right, isnt it? What if the people seen celebrating had family or friends who died in the 9/11 attacks? Shouldn't they be happy then that their family/friends' killer was brought to justice? Or should they just take it with a straight face and show no emotion whatsoever, even though they had personal connections to deaths from a terrorist attack? Maybe you're the one who's being insensitive by telling other people how they should be reacting when they could potentially have a HUGE emotional investment in this whole thing, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, children, loved friends. Ever think about that? Those people would be celebrating in the name of revenge. And while that's common, it's definitely on the undesirable side when it comes to behavior. Anyways, most of these people were not that emotionally invested. He was undeniably evil. But what made him that way? Reflecting on his life, we should mourn for the hate and anger that people inflict on one another that cause these actions. If he was brought up in a 1st world, developed country - I'm sure his life would have gone differently. Instead of striving for understanding and compassion, we cheer the death of our enemies. It's self destructive. If he was brought up in a 1st world developed country? He came from an extremely wealthy family. The man was a mass murderer. He is the one responsible for the 9/11 attacks. I celebrate him being killed. Why? Because he deserved it. Because I know people who lost family in 9/11. They have told be they can sleep just a little bit easier knowing he has been killed. That right there is enough for me to celebrate because those people have gone through hell and they never deserved it. This man brought so much pain to millions of people. Him being killed helps relieve it just a tiny bit. So before you criticize someone for celebrating his death, imagine your brother being killed along with 1000s of others because of this man. Wouldn't you be happy that the man responsible for it all has been brought to justice? Killing Bin Laden would not bring my brother back to life. Nothing would change and I would not feel joy.
Your lying to yourself if you say it wouldn't give you any closure and just a little joy that the man responsible is no longer alive.
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On May 02 2011 17:22 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:20 Electric.Jesus wrote:
merely that they provided Osama with the military and tactical knowledge he used to murder innocent civilians. But how could they have known that he was going to use that knowledge for terrorism?
You do know that he was trained to be a terrorist? Only, back then, they called it "freedom fighters" because his targets were the commies. But your real question is "could they have anticipated that their once time ally would turn agsinst them at some later point?". My lay opinion is that they could have - given the nature of the US foreign policy in the middle east. However, this may be a hindsight bias and you should probably ask an expert (i.e. middle east policy expert or historian).
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I talked with an Israeli friend who told me the most sensitive thing I've heard on the subject: that she knows by experience that killing the bad guy is never solving the problem.
The only thing I care about is that it will probably get Obama reelected, and for me that's a rather good news.
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can you explain why on the fbi site he wasnt wanted for the 911 attacks? thanks.
Because in the massive and grand conspiracy the one thing the US government thought was crossing the line was lying on the FBI website.
You people will really latch onto every bullshit thing won't you?
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