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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 02 2011 17:03 Aurocaido wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:57 kaileah wrote:On May 02 2011 16:57 SolHeiM wrote:On May 02 2011 16:56 Aurocaido wrote:On May 02 2011 16:54 SpiffD wrote:
According to the New York Times, Osama's body has been cast into the sea Wtf why? What could possibly be the rational behind that? Yeah I'm wondering that as well. It seems like a very odd choice to dump a body into the ocean instead of, for lack of a better way to put this, put that shit on display. If you know what I mean. WASHINGTON – A U.S. official says Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea. After bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Pakistan, senior administration officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours, the official said. Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult, the official said. So the U.S. decided to bury him at sea. The official, who spoke Monday on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters, did not immediately say where that occurred. edit - the middle east hates us already. we don't need to shit on their religion by making a mockery of a religious man regardless of how extreme and evil he was. we already have enough people hating america as it is, we got our justice and that should be enough. Wait... its okay to celebrate the death of someone by parading in the streets, but its unethical to forgo a couple of his religious traditions? Huh?
Obama and the United States are trying to make it clear that they're against terrorism. They do not want to make it out to be a war against the Islamic people themselves. To bury his body in some fashion shows them that they are serious about respecting their culture/religion.
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On May 02 2011 16:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:no u reasons why being a "martyr" isnt enough to make up for how big this hurts al-qaeda 1. killing the enemy's leader is the biggest coup in war. we killed their leader. they couldn't stop it. 2. this shows beyond a shadow of a doubt how well we've infiltrated al qaeda, both their communications and with CIA men and informants on the ground. every terrorist leader has to look over their shoulders three times now instead of twice, worry about their security. 3. it also put an exclamation point on the fact that president obama is no different from president bush when it comes to killing terrorists: he's all for it. he's going to say yes, bomb them, or send a team in, when decider time comes. he's already shown this with his drone campaign but some people still dont believe it. 4. who knows how many things osama kept to himself, connections and sources of funds only he knew, that are now lost to al-qaeda. all these things are worse for terrorist morale than being "happy" at osama's "martyrdom." terrorist leaders aren't mindless idiots, they are very ruthless very practical men, and i'm sure they're bummed as shit osama took one in the forehead.
I completely agree. Osama surviving for 10 years was far more of a morale boost than his "martyrdom".
The fact of the matter is, the terrorists already revered him and used him as a symbol for recruiting while the West already hated him for masterminding the murder of thousands of innocent civilians. Him dying only proves that we will spend as much time and resources as it takes to find our enemies and bring them to justice. The terrorists arent powerful enough for a jihad in Osama's name to have any more of an impact than the current terrorist movement.
Also, his reputation as a murderer in the West is rock solid. Him becoming a martyr wont earn him any sympathy or recruit any new terrorists who didnt already believe in his movement. Lets just say that the other terrorist leaders will not be sleeping any easier with the knowledge that Osama was killed.
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On May 02 2011 17:03 Hypemeup wrote:
People celebrate the death of bin Laden?
Talk about being petty.
So I'm going to murder say your father. Perhaps your sister as well. Are you saying you wouldn't be happy if I get executed for what I did?
I'm not necessarily celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden, but I do love it that he got done by US military. And I definitely understand those who do celebrate because they were most likely directly affected by what happened on 9/11.
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On May 02 2011 17:01 FireSA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:56 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 16:49 FireSA wrote:
Hahaha another Issue I see here is that a lot of people posting are just glad the guy is dead (THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE). And I am pretty sure that is not only to be expected but also welcomed in this thread. (AGAIN, NOT THE ISSUE).
And then there are a bunch of naysayers on here, either stating it will not change anything, or we should not be celebrating the death of a mass murderer. The issue is the lack of relevant or positive contribution those attitudes have to this thread. What is the purpose of letting us know that in your opinion this may not change anything at all? Would you like to take this moment away from people who are genuinely not only expected, but also entitled to be happy right about now? so what are positive contributions to this thread? "Huzzah, hes dead!!!! COUNTERTERRORISTS WIN!" or "holy shit, news of the year!!" maybe the thread title should have made clear that only affirmative one liners are acceptable posts. Let us see, Huzzah, hes dead is an expected, and in many people's views an acceptable response, to the opening post. What I referred to are posts by people that instead of replying to the opening post, are attacking posters for expressing their joy. Other posts I referred to, rather than replying to the opening post, merely felt the need to post some opinion that actually did not relate to the op, and were therefore off topic. Let me know what you think.
Well I think directly attacking posters expressing their joy is unacceptable, while attacking the principle of celebreating (not the same as feeling joy!) over a mans death is relevant to this topic, because apparently there were mass celebrations going on in public places.
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I am from Germany and I understand that they are celebrating, whats this about?
Godwins law at its best.
No one of us is in the shoes of a US citizen who had to endure all those hardships, who propaply even lost friends or relatives in the WTC or Afghanistan.
Plus it is not like Bin Ladens dead is solving anything, i hope ppl from the US realize this, so celebrate today but know that nothing has changed.
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On May 02 2011 17:05 travis wrote:
I actually don't know why you guys can't report me, but I am glad you can't because the mods don't need to deal with stupid reports that don't even break any rules.
Its because you never troll and is always a kind and gentle soul, right?
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Irrelevant. The German people ELECTED Hitler. He rose to power fair and square and abused said power to murder millions of innocent Jews. Osama used whatever training he had to kill innocents as well.
maybe u left school to early or something? get some history lessons!
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EDIT: misread a quote, nvm 
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I dont understand why the Muslim community would be mad about not giving Usama a proper islamic burial. When he was alive he wasn't regarded as a "real" muslim but when he's dead he must be given a proper burial, where's the logic in that?
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by the way - which court said bin laden deserves the death?
i mean - thats the way it usually goes. You have to go to court and you will be punished. Were was Bin ladens lawsuit?
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On May 02 2011 16:59 Electric.Jesus wrote:
My first thought was: "The guy had it coming". You can't mess with the US and hope to get away with it. However, all the talk about "justice" made me vomit. Some people tend to forget that it was the US who trained and armed Osama and his cronies in the first place.
I can really understand the people who lost their loved ones in the 9/11 attacks being happy now. On the other hand, why do so many Americans consider assasination just? Isn't one of the core principles that made the US a great country a fair legal system? I would have loved to see Bin Laden before a court and receive a fair trial (the outcome of which would have been a life long sentence, at least), just so the US can prove that they are morally superior to a bunch of terrorists.
I also cannot help but think that Bin Ladens death will be utilized for propaganda on both sides. The US version will be: "Look how great and powerful the US is". The Al-quaeda version will be:"Osama is now a holy martyr, lets blow stuff up in his name, and take revenge on the bloody infidels". Nothing's gonna change, the bloodshed will go on.
The US did that to help fight the Soviets. Love how people like you conveniently leave that out and try to play it off as if the US government helped fund Al-Queda.
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On May 02 2011 17:10 Gonozal wrote:
by the way - which court said bin laden deserves the death?
i mean - thats the way it usually goes. You have to go to court and you will be punished. Were was Bin ladens lawsuit?
What court? The President of the United States. That court.
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On May 02 2011 17:09 BeaSteR wrote:
I dont understand why the Muslim community would be mad about not giving Usama a proper islamic burial. When he was alive he wasn't regarded as a "real" muslim but when he's dead he must be given a proper burial, where's the logic in that?
I'm sure they'll get over it. He could've been tossed into the street and have dogs chew on him for all I care.
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On May 02 2011 17:08 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:05 travis wrote:
I actually don't know why you guys can't report me, but I am glad you can't because the mods don't need to deal with stupid reports that don't even break any rules. Its because you never troll and is always a kind and gentle soul, right?
i am definitely a kind and gentle soul
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Osama Bin laden was a tyrant and a murderer of civilian and military personnel ALL over the world.
Not just americans, europeans, but his "own" people, muslims, iraqis, pakistanis, irans and so on.
He was a global terrorist, a fantatic, with psychotic visions of how to carry forth the will of his deity and his terrorist people.
His death is a blessing to the world, all across the world. Nobody like him deserves to be left alive, simply because he will never stop trying to upset the peace, order and civility of the human world.
I don't find death and chaos funny, but I i take a particular joy in knowing this dangerous man, is finally no longer on this earth. Alas, the world might JUST be a little.. just a little, more safe, for many many people.
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On May 02 2011 17:10 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:10 Gonozal wrote:
by the way - which court said bin laden deserves the death?
i mean - thats the way it usually goes. You have to go to court and you will be punished. Were was Bin ladens lawsuit? What court? The President of the United States. That court.
xD
This would be so impossible in european countrys.
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On May 02 2011 17:09 BeaSteR wrote:
I dont understand why the Muslim community would be mad about not giving Usama a proper islamic burial. When he was alive he wasn't regarded as a "real" muslim but when he's dead he must be given a proper burial, where's the logic in that?
I don't think any real muslim would give a damn if he got a proper islamic burial or not after all the shitstorm he caused. I was very happy to hear Obama's speech =)
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On May 02 2011 17:05 travis wrote:
I actually don't know why you guys can't report me, but I am glad you can't because the mods don't need to deal with stupid reports that don't even break any rules.
I think there is a 'can't report people that have been here since the beginning of time' clause or something.
And travis is right, you guys can disagree with him all you want (I disagree with him as well) but nothing he has said has been anywhere near report worthy.
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On May 02 2011 17:10 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 17:10 Gonozal wrote:
by the way - which court said bin laden deserves the death?
i mean - thats the way it usually goes. You have to go to court and you will be punished. Were was Bin ladens lawsuit? What court? The President of the United States. That court.
The POTUS is definitly no judge. Did you never ever heared of separation of powers ?
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