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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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My first thought was: "The guy had it coming". You can't mess with the US and hope to get away with it. However, all the talk about "justice" made me vomit. Some people tend to forget that it was the US who trained and armed Osama and his cronies in the first place.
I can really understand the people who lost their loved ones in the 9/11 attacks being happy now. On the other hand, why do so many Americans consider assasination just? Isn't one of the core principles that made the US a great country a fair legal system? I would have loved to see Bin Laden before a court and receive a fair trial (the outcome of which would have been a life long sentence, at least), just so the US can prove that they are morally superior to a bunch of terrorists.
I also cannot help but think that Bin Ladens death will be utilized for propaganda on both sides. The US version will be: "Look how great and powerful the US is". The Al-quaeda version will be:"Osama is now a holy martyr, lets blow stuff up in his name, and take revenge on the bloody infidels". Nothing's gonna change, the bloodshed will go on.
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On May 02 2011 16:42 travis wrote:
actually this post prolly won't be understood so i'll just leave with what i've said so far
bye
Why cant I report you damnit!
what I actually thought:
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On the debate Germans vs US citizens: (-> off topic; my post on the subject is on page 72)
The problem many Germans have and probably don't even realize is that over 90% of their information about the USA and more specific its people comes from the media (big part of these are us based media especially one major network i won't name here out of disgust). Those media have done the poorest job possible in representing your Nation so i hope you can forgive us for seeing you in way that you most likely are not. It strikes me as ironic(ally?) though that the there is propaganda that Americans easily fall for propaganda.
All that said i still believe some things the US military does are a disgrace to the human kind (for reasons that are publicly known and shall not be discussed further here but anywhere else if you wish to do so).
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On May 02 2011 16:57 Willes wrote:
08/15 answers ftw, someone need to start arguing with nazishoutouts now, then we have all "facts" together.
You're an idiot if you can't admit that Osama bin Laden was a mass murderer. Absolutely clueless and full of shit.
People lost family due to this man, and you come here talking about "propaganda".
You're dirt to me, please don't waste time responding to my posts again, thanks.
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On May 02 2011 16:56 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:49 FireSA wrote:
Hahaha another Issue I see here is that a lot of people posting are just glad the guy is dead (THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE). And I am pretty sure that is not only to be expected but also welcomed in this thread. (AGAIN, NOT THE ISSUE).
And then there are a bunch of naysayers on here, either stating it will not change anything, or we should not be celebrating the death of a mass murderer. The issue is the lack of relevant or positive contribution those attitudes have to this thread. What is the purpose of letting us know that in your opinion this may not change anything at all? Would you like to take this moment away from people who are genuinely not only expected, but also entitled to be happy right about now? so what are positive contributions to this thread? "Huzzah, hes dead!!!! COUNTERTERRORISTS WIN!" or "holy shit, news of the year!!" maybe the thread title should have made clear that only affirmative one liners are acceptable posts.
Let us see, Huzzah, hes dead is an expected, and in many people's views an acceptable response, to the opening post. What I referred to are posts by people that instead of replying to the opening post, are attacking posters for expressing their joy. Other posts I referred to, rather than replying to the opening post, merely felt the need to post some opinion that actually did not relate to the op, and were therefore off topic. Let me know what you think.
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This thread is turning ugly
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On May 02 2011 16:35 travis wrote:"Durrr, you're trolling." Well thought out retort guys. I said nothing that isn't true. If his death brings more peace to the world then that's great but I am not going to celebrate someone's death, let alone the death of someone I didn't know. Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:35 Angra wrote:On May 02 2011 16:29 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 16:26 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:22 travis wrote:On May 02 2011 16:08 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:05 Drewx wrote:
Wow crazy times we live in. These scenes from the States look crazy would never expect to see anything like that where I live. If Australia were put into the exact circumstances that the US is currently, the reaction would be exactly the same. We aren't monsters for celebrating the death of a monster. ppl are monsters for celebrating any man's death, if that's what they are actually celebrating he was born a child, he had a mother and father and hopes and dreams. he had challenges and successes and love and fear and hate. that's reality. he was just a man like you or me and now he is dead. You're a fool if you actually feel this way. Sure, he was a man, just like you and me, but that is where the similarities end. He was human, but there was no humanity about him. I celebrate his death because he deserved to die, and that is undeniable. with the same reasoning people in the middle east celebrated the death of the 9/11 victims. I guess the difference is they are wrong and you are right, isnt it? What if the people seen celebrating had family or friends who died in the 9/11 attacks? Shouldn't they be happy then that their family/friends' killer was brought to justice? Or should they just take it with a straight face and show no emotion whatsoever, even though they had personal connections to deaths from a terrorist attack? Maybe you're the one who's being insensitive by telling other people how they should be reacting when they could potentially have a HUGE emotional investment in this whole thing, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, children, loved friends. Ever think about that? Those people would be celebrating in the name of revenge. And while that's common, it's definitely on the undesirable side when it comes to behavior. Anyways, most of these people were not that emotionally invested.
He was undeniably evil. But what made him that way? Reflecting on his life, we should mourn for the hate and anger that people inflict on one another that cause these actions. If he was brought up in a 1st world, developed country - I'm sure his life would have gone differently.
Instead of striving for understanding and compassion, we cheer the death of our enemies. It's self destructive.
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Obama is being very smart. He wants the Americans to be proud about this, but he doesn't wanna spit in other countries' faces. If we didn't bury/dispose of his body in twenty four hours, Islam would talk about how bad a person Obama is and how he hates the people. He did the smartest thing possible by burying him at sea. This makes it so that no one can actually go to where he is and pray to him like some sort of hero for dying.
I am sure if they got the DNA from him to do tests that they also have pictures. They wouldn't be stupid enough not to take pictures of the body.
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On May 02 2011 16:59 Electric.Jesus wrote:
Some people tend to forget that it was the US who trained and armed Osama and his cronies in the first place.
Irrelevant. The German people ELECTED Hitler. He rose to power fair and square and abused said power to murder millions of innocent Jews. Osama used whatever training he had to kill innocents as well.
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On May 02 2011 16:54 SpiffD wrote:
According to the New York Times, Osama's body has been cast into the sea
great job... can't wait for the hundreds of conspiracy theories popping up after that...
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On May 02 2011 16:49 Angra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:46 Aurocaido wrote:On May 02 2011 16:44 Dakota wrote:On May 02 2011 16:36 Willes wrote:
celebrating the death of 1 person: look how dumb you guys are, propaganda victims Yea, I sure hope no one celebrated Hitler's death, since he was only one person >_> Please stop comparing Osama to Hitler, there is no comparision whatsoever. lol yea thousands of lives, who cares about them. it's nothing near as impressive as hundreds of thousands that hitler killed so the people who died to osama are totally less important
The money wasted on war,the potential research that could of been done with those resources,the possibility of improving your educational system , the people you could of fed,cured,helped,sheltered, the number of lives lost in both wars and in the hunt for your "boogeyman" ...This might sound insensitive ,but the number of people Osama killed pales in comparison to that.Don't know if he knew this would happen or if it was a fluke, but, and this will sound insensitive again, it was highly efficient.
This might be a terrible analogy,but it's like sending all of your marines into a choke that has 6 sieged up tanks and trying to get passed them without stim to kill a single unit.
The other person is right, you can't compare Osama to Hitler, yet you're right aswell , human life is equally valuable no matter whom took it away or the quantity that was lost.Still,it's funny when people forget the innocent human lives lost on the other side because of "targeting errors" or so called "war casualties".
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On May 02 2011 16:57 kaileah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:57 SolHeiM wrote:On May 02 2011 16:56 Aurocaido wrote:On May 02 2011 16:54 SpiffD wrote:
According to the New York Times, Osama's body has been cast into the sea Wtf why? What could possibly be the rational behind that? Yeah I'm wondering that as well. It seems like a very odd choice to dump a body into the ocean instead of, for lack of a better way to put this, put that shit on display. If you know what I mean. WASHINGTON – A U.S. official says Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea. After bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Pakistan, senior administration officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours, the official said. Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult, the official said. So the U.S. decided to bury him at sea. The official, who spoke Monday on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters, did not immediately say where that occurred. edit - the middle east hates us already. we don't need to shit on their religion by making a mockery of a religious man regardless of how extreme and evil he was. we already have enough people hating america as it is, we got our justice and that should be enough.
Wait... its okay to celebrate the death of someone by parading in the streets, but its unethical to forgo a couple of his religious traditions? Huh?
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People celebrate the death of bin Laden?
Talk about being petty.
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On May 02 2011 16:59 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:42 travis wrote:
actually this post prolly won't be understood so i'll just leave with what i've said so far
bye Why cant I report you damnit! what I actually thought: + Show Spoiler +WHY CANT I REPORT YOU FUCK
Can you stop shit posting and actually contribute? You keep saying this, implying that he's a troll, but how does this help the thread in any way? Please post something of value or stop posting at all.
User was warned for this post
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On May 02 2011 17:03 Sernyl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:49 Angra wrote:On May 02 2011 16:46 Aurocaido wrote:On May 02 2011 16:44 Dakota wrote:On May 02 2011 16:36 Willes wrote:
celebrating the death of 1 person: look how dumb you guys are, propaganda victims Yea, I sure hope no one celebrated Hitler's death, since he was only one person >_> Please stop comparing Osama to Hitler, there is no comparision whatsoever. lol yea thousands of lives, who cares about them. it's nothing near as impressive as hundreds of thousands that hitler killed so the people who died to osama are totally less important The money wasted on war,the potential research that could of been done with those resources,the possibility of improving your educational system , the people you could of fed,cured,helped,sheltered, the number of lives lost in both wars and in the hunt for your "boogeyman" ...This might sound insensitive ,but the number of people Osama killed pales in comparison to that.Don't know if he knew this would happen or if it was a fluke, but, and this will sound insensitive again, it was highly efficient. This might be a terrible analogy,but it's like sending all of your marines into a choke that has 6 sieged up tanks and trying to get passed them without stim to kill a single unit. The other person is right, you can't compare Osama to Hitler, yet you're right aswell , human life is equally valuable no matter whom took it away or the quantity that was lost.Still,it's funny when people forget the innocent human lives lost on the other side because of "targeting errors" or so called "war casualties".
The only thing that I can say is: I love your post!
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On May 02 2011 16:59 Electric.Jesus wrote:
My first thought was: "The guy had it coming". You can't mess with the US and hope to get away with it. However, all the talk about "justice" made me vomit. Some people tend to forget that it was the US who trained and armed Osama and his cronies in the first place.
I can really understand the people who lost their loved ones in the 9/11 attacks being happy now. On the other hand, why do so many Americans consider assasination just? Isn't one of the core principles that made the US a great country a fair legal system? I would have loved to see Bin Laden before a court and receive a fair trial (the outcome of which would have been a life long sentence, at least), just so the US can prove that they are morally superior to a bunch of terrorists.
I also cannot help but think that Bin Ladens death will be utilized for propaganda on both sides. The US version will be: "Look how great and powerful the US is". The Al-quaeda version will be:"Osama is now a holy martyr, lets blow stuff up in his name, and take revenge on the bloody infidels". Nothing's gonna change, the bloodshed will go on.
Pretty much. I would have preferred him alive as well, but without the proper details(which will most likely never be known), it's hard to say him being captured alive was even a possibility. I think most Americans just celebrate his death because of so much pure hatred towards him. Of course most will be manipulated to a certain extent based off 'propaganda', in other words, simple media. It is what it is though. I personally, don't think his death means much of anything but purely revenge. I think he deserved to die, but I don't really care for all the hype. He's dead, there are still thousands alive and they'll continue to bomb Europe, Asia, Africa, and America for decades to come.
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I actually don't know why you guys can't report me, but I am glad you can't because the mods don't need to deal with stupid reports that don't even break any rules.
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On May 02 2011 17:02 Fionn wrote:
Obama is being very smart. He wants the Americans to be proud about this, but he doesn't wanna spit in other countries' faces. If we didn't bury/dispose of his body in twenty four hours, Islam would talk about how bad a person Obama is and how he hates the people. He did the smartest thing possible by burying him at sea. This makes it so that no one can actually go to where he is and pray to him like some sort of hero for dying.
I am sure if they got the DNA from him to do tests that they also have pictures. They wouldn't be stupid enough not to take pictures of the body.
I'm pretty sure they had already planned what to do with Osama's body a long time ago. I think it was the smartest decision.
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On May 02 2011 17:03 Aurocaido wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:57 kaileah wrote:On May 02 2011 16:57 SolHeiM wrote:On May 02 2011 16:56 Aurocaido wrote:On May 02 2011 16:54 SpiffD wrote:
According to the New York Times, Osama's body has been cast into the sea Wtf why? What could possibly be the rational behind that? Yeah I'm wondering that as well. It seems like a very odd choice to dump a body into the ocean instead of, for lack of a better way to put this, put that shit on display. If you know what I mean. WASHINGTON – A U.S. official says Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea. After bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Pakistan, senior administration officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours, the official said. Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult, the official said. So the U.S. decided to bury him at sea. The official, who spoke Monday on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters, did not immediately say where that occurred. edit - the middle east hates us already. we don't need to shit on their religion by making a mockery of a religious man regardless of how extreme and evil he was. we already have enough people hating america as it is, we got our justice and that should be enough. Wait... its okay to celebrate the death of someone by parading in the streets, but its unethical to forgo a couple of his religious traditions? Huh?
The American people are free to do whatever they want with the news, but the American government is trying quite hard not to piss off any more Muslims.
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On May 02 2011 17:05 travis wrote:
I actually don't know why you guys can't report me, but I am glad you can't because the mods don't need to deal with stupid reports that don't even break any rules.
Every report is sacred. EDIT: that was a joke, a jab, non malice, lighthearted.
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