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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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Osama wasn't "leading" Al-Qaida for many years now. He was a symbolic figure, nothing more.
we don't know if that's the case or not, if he went into deep deep cover and made zawahiri his regent or if he maintained the final say. there have been stories both ways about it.
the way you say he was a symbolic figure shows you don't care much for symbolism, but you use it in your next statement.
The fact that he was killed after 10 years, even though ha was the most wanted terrorist, will not scare other terrorist leaders too much I believe.
presumably he had the tightest security arrangements and they were penetrated. as practical men i'm sure terrorists are reviewing their own protection right now if they're awake.
You honestly think that the terrorists didn't know that the American President would try to kill them before?
there is a lot of hope among terrorists that if they can just survive long enough the americans will get tired and frustrated and leave them alone, so they win. that's the key of guerilla warfare in general. this is a big example that that is not the case.
Now this is just speculation and I don't think Al-Qaida is too worried about that...
yeah but who knows, the SEALs and CIA were on the ground for forty minutes and thats plenty of time to kill bin laden and ransack the place for intelligence so we hopefully have a lot of good information to look at in the coming days
Terrorist leaders aren't mindless idiots, but they are willing to die to achieve their goals. They will also realize that Osama's dead won't change their situation and will only help them recruit new people. As you said, those guys are practical...
that is my point though that war is about two sides physically imposing their will on the other. it doesn't matter much if they can recruit more cannon fodder from this if their organization at the top or medium level is compromised. kill the head and the body dies, kill the core and the head and legs shrivel and die.
we can physically impose our will on terrorists far better than they can on us, their only hope is to hide and attack at their time and place of choosing. if we compromise their ability to hide, who cares how many recruits they get? a few horrible humiliating pants-shitting defeats would be the best way to take care of them, no one will want to join up then.
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On May 02 2011 16:36 Willes wrote:
celebrating the death of 1 person: look how dumb you guys are, propaganda victims
I really am curious why German posters continue to shit all over this.
It is what it is. If you expected anything different you are naive. If you think this wouldn't be done by any country in the world in similar circumstances you are naive.
I like the fact he is dead. Be a hater if you want but it doesn't change the fact the allied forces have just achieved one of their main objectives. That alone warrants celebration.
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On May 02 2011 16:34 SpiffD wrote:
Lol apparently the press conference was during Celebrety Apprentice (Donald Trump's reality show). Reddit came up with this nugget
hahaha awesome
I really am curious why German posters continue to shit all over this.
theyre mad because they know we really did it for the luls
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On May 02 2011 16:38 cynical wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:36 Willes wrote:
celebrating the death of 1 person: look how dumb you guys are, propaganda victims What's with all the insensitive Germans in this thread?
who cares about nationality, you?
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On May 02 2011 16:35 travis wrote:
"Durrr, you're trolling." Well thought out retort guys. I said nothing that isn't true.
People don't waste well thought out retorts on such naivete.
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On May 02 2011 16:29 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:26 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:22 travis wrote:On May 02 2011 16:08 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:05 Drewx wrote:
Wow crazy times we live in. These scenes from the States look crazy would never expect to see anything like that where I live. If Australia were put into the exact circumstances that the US is currently, the reaction would be exactly the same. We aren't monsters for celebrating the death of a monster. ppl are monsters for celebrating any man's death, if that's what they are actually celebrating he was born a child, he had a mother and father and hopes and dreams. he had challenges and successes and love and fear and hate. that's reality. he was just a man like you or me and now he is dead. You're a fool if you actually feel this way. Sure, he was a man, just like you and me, but that is where the similarities end. He was human, but there was no humanity about him. I celebrate his death because he deserved to die, and that is undeniable. with the same reasoning people in the middle east celebrated the death of the 9/11 victims. I guess the difference is they are wrong and you are right, isnt it?
You're seriously comparing Osama bin Laden, the founder of a terrorist organization called "al-Qaeda" to the innocent civilians who were massacred on 9/11? Please go troll somewhere else.
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On May 02 2011 16:37 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:29 diehilde wrote:On May 02 2011 16:26 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:22 travis wrote:On May 02 2011 16:08 ryanAnger wrote:On May 02 2011 16:05 Drewx wrote:
Wow crazy times we live in. These scenes from the States look crazy would never expect to see anything like that where I live. If Australia were put into the exact circumstances that the US is currently, the reaction would be exactly the same. We aren't monsters for celebrating the death of a monster. ppl are monsters for celebrating any man's death, if that's what they are actually celebrating he was born a child, he had a mother and father and hopes and dreams. he had challenges and successes and love and fear and hate. that's reality. he was just a man like you or me and now he is dead. You're a fool if you actually feel this way. Sure, he was a man, just like you and me, but that is where the similarities end. He was human, but there was no humanity about him. I celebrate his death because he deserved to die, and that is undeniable. with the same reasoning people in the middle east celebrated the death of the 9/11 victims. I guess the difference is they are wrong and you are right, isnt it? Exactly, because prior to 9/11 what exactly did we, the American people, do, that even remotely amounts to the death of thousands of their people? Why did the thousands killed in 9/11 deserve to die? Because they were American? If that's your answer, what about the Canadians killed? I'm sorry. You are an idiot if you can't see the difference between celebrating the deaths of a thousand innocents and celebrating the death of the man responsible for theirs.
True that.
There was a lot of American foreign policy that has led to incredible death tolls directly or indirectly over the years, but no one is celebrating that, for example, Osama's family died, or that some Saudi's died. They are celebrating that HE died. If you aren't, that's fine, no ones putting a gun to your head. But while you have the right to express your opinion, accept that other people do as well. Their celebrations are hurting no one. Back off.
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On May 02 2011 16:38 cynical wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:36 Willes wrote:
celebrating the death of 1 person: look how dumb you guys are, propaganda victims What's with all the insensitive Germans in this thread?
What's with all the orgasmic Americans in this thread?
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On May 02 2011 16:36 Willes wrote:
celebrating the death of 1 person: look how dumb you guys are, propaganda victims
One man who happened to be in charge of one of the bloodiest world-wide terrorist organizations in the world.
Or, I'm sorry, do you mean to tell me Osama bin Laden was not funding Al-Qaeda millions of dollars a year? Is that just "propaganda" to think this "1 man" was responsible for the deaths of thousands?
Or, perhaps, you're just kind of spouting nonsense?
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who cares about nationality, you?
well the only people making really judgmental and negative comments about people in general in this thread are all german, not saying all germans in this thread are doing it, and people try to organize things into patterns and they see "german" and go "aha!"
What's with all the orgasmic Americans in this thread?
the man killed thousands of americans and muslims and im pretty sure hundreds of canadians too so really why is it a surprise that we'd be happy? he said he was our enemy and we beat him, why not be =) ?
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On May 02 2011 16:36 Willes wrote:
celebrating the death of 1 person: look how dumb you guys are, propaganda victims
If Germany were in the US's position for this entire thing, the exact same thing would happen. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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actually this post prolly won't be understood so i'll just leave with what i've said so far
bye
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I sincerely doubt that Bin Laden was "in charge" of Al Quaida ever since said organisation lost its control over Afghanistan and probably even way before that.
The reason is simple: you cannot control and much less lead an organisation of this size if you are on the run for years. So concerning logistics and leadership it probably won't hurt this terrorist network in the slightest. Remembering the propaganda of pretty much any war ever it also won't affect the terrorists moral in a negative way, as pointed out the image of a "matyr" is far more likely and could fuel their hatred even more.
It is however a raise of moral for the american people because their government as well as their military have proof of progress in the so declared "war against terrorism" (terrible term but it shows how the us military thinks).
A more trivial effect is the short boost for the economy that will probably carry on a few days.
On the other hand we have to keep in mind that their might be acts of retaliation over the next 5 years. Personally i would have prefered if Bin Laden died from old age to prevent the latter.
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On May 02 2011 16:42 DeepElemBlues wrote:well the only people making really judgmental and negative comments about people in general in this thread are all german, not saying all germans in this thread are doing it, and people try to organize things into patterns and they see "german" and go "aha!"
true dat
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Any sort of rejoicing over someone's death, terrorist or not, really is pretty ignorant. If we are to maintain in high regard one person's life we can't treat someone else's as worthless. Otherwise we are as good as that terrorist.
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I wonder how many more people had to die to find him
Looking at the financial state of the USA I wonder who "won"
Cant be happy about a death, But I guess I am happy for the USA that they feel that they made some progres in 1o years.
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On May 02 2011 16:36 Willes wrote:
celebrating the death of 1 person: look how dumb you guys are, propaganda victims
Yea, I sure hope no one celebrated Hitler's death, since he was only one person >_>
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