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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
Yeah that's how I read it too. Yeah you'll get conspiracy theorists munching for hundreds of years...but the pros outweighs the cons so much.
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Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
THAT musta been an awkward conversation.
"Uh, hello miss. We got this dude we shot in the face and we think its your husband. Can you help us confirm it? Heres a picture, try to imagine him still having both eyes."
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On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess).
Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself.
I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like.
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An eye for an eye- and the world goes blind
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On May 02 2011 23:46 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan. THAT musta been an awkward conversation. "Uh, hello miss. We got this dude we shot in the face and we think its your husband. Can you help us confirm it? Heres a picture, try to imagine him still having both eyes."
I'd imagine it was a translator doing the hard part though, still what an awkward moment that'll generate....
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Hey america, lets celebrate the death of a human being (albeit an enemy, sure) and still consider ourselves a christian nation!
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Kennigit
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On May 02 2011 23:51 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess). Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself. I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like.
You should just stop theorycrafting....You literally have zero experience with this kind of situation, and zero knowledge of the conditions on the ground or how difficult it is to extract someone who is shooting at you vs killing them...
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Wow, if this thread has shown us anything I think it's that there are a lot of idiots in all parts of the world. 
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On May 02 2011 23:55 andeh wrote:
Hey america, lets celebrate the death of a human being (albeit an enemy, sure) and still consider ourselves a christian nation!
Yeah... Hypocrisy
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Dont you ever learn people? Dont you know history of your own country to belive all crap government tells you?
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Joseph Goebbels
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On May 02 2011 23:51 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess). Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself. I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like.
First of all, it was a firefight (cue Willem Dafoe). When someones shooting at you, I doubt the last thing youd be thinking is "Gee, I should really only shoot this guy once because it would make me look mean if i hit him too much." Second, im pretty sure it was actually just 1 shot to his head.
As for your requests to have him stand trial, the motives were probably political. Americans have been faced with the notion of giving a fair trial to terrorist leaders before and believe me most people did not like that idea. At all. You can say its barbaric and hypocritical, but that wont change the fact that most people here just wanted him dead for the things hes done. A trial would be nice and proper, but im sure he woulda just been executed in the end anyway.
Finally, I read in one article he was still given a chance to surrender by the SEALs. It was a mission to kill, but they still gave him a chance and he decided to fight.
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On May 02 2011 23:51 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess). Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself. I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like.
Yeah I don't buy for a second that they wanted to capture him alive. I'll bet they had orders to kill.
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Kennigit
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On May 03 2011 00:01 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:51 Thrill wrote:On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess). Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself. I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like. Yeah I don't buy for a second that they wanted to capture him alive. I'll bet they had orders to kill.
They were ordered to kill him and make no attempt to capture him....he was in a fortified compound with 8' high stone walls and armed guards. "unseal like" i'm going to lose it.
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hahaha when does the rainbow six game come out with the Osama HQ?
Tango down.
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On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
1) Why do they care so much about Islamic law???
2) So take the body, but say to media that it was buried at sea. Nobody can check it.
What about the possibility that "every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world" now may be killed in revenge? What about a promised nuclear bomb?
3) Bury him on soil but keep the place a secret.
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On May 02 2011 23:19 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:
they took pictures, and are getting dna samples. i doubt the president is dumb enough to lie about this since there are alot of victims of 9/11. why bury him at sea? why would we want him buried in the usa soil? im sure other countries dont want him ethier.
The real reason he's buried at sea is because it's in accordance with Islamic tradition, and at this point the US is taking the so-called "moral high-road" and showing respect to his remains.
Doing so makes the US look like good guys -- they killed Bin Laden, which was warranted, but then treated him with respect and left. They didn't take the moment to spit all over the Muslim religion because Bin Laden isn't representative of it.
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What were they doing the last decade?
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On May 03 2011 00:01 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:51 Thrill wrote:On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess). Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself. I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like. Yeah I don't buy for a second that they wanted to capture him alive. I'll bet they had orders to kill.
Yeah, that's what i find problematic. Just imagine how much better the world would look if Hitler was de-mythified at Nürnberg. Revealed to be a trembling, babbling fool rather than some idol for Neo-Nazis to worship.
Now we can't relate to this bearded piece of shit the way we can relate to the man who last set all of Europe ablaze in the flames of a World War - but i imagine there are several who can. Unnecessary to secure his martyrdom if there was any way to avoid it. I don't think anyone revers Saddam after his trial.
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On May 02 2011 23:57 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:51 Thrill wrote:On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess). Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself. I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like. You should just stop theorycrafting....You literally have zero experience with this kind of situation, and zero knowledge of the conditions on the ground or how difficult it is to extract someone who is shooting at you vs killing them...
Seriously. It's like everyone becomes a military analyst and experienced special forces operations planner whenever something happens.
Honestly, it's basically the same thing as all the expert economists to come out of the woodwork every time the markets experience a change.
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