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Keep it civil guys.

Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.

Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.

This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death.
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
May 02 2011 14:26 GMT
#2201
On May 02 2011 23:22 Archerofaiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 23:21 Kennigit wrote:
On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD

no, obama is a zombie. i read it on the internet.


If Obama wasnt dead why would he spend billions of dollars fighting to keep his death certificate from being released?

I would like to see the long-form death certificate before we make any claims that Obama is a zombie.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
May 02 2011 14:26 GMT
#2202
On May 02 2011 23:26 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 23:22 Archerofaiur wrote:
On May 02 2011 23:21 Kennigit wrote:
On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD

no, obama is a zombie. i read it on the internet.


If Obama wasnt dead why would he spend billions of dollars fighting to keep his death certificate from being released?

I would like to see the long-form death certificate before we make any claims that Obama is a zombie.


Trumps on the case.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
May 02 2011 14:27 GMT
#2203
if it wasn't osama then he'll just post one of those videos to troll USA.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
May 02 2011 14:28 GMT
#2204
On May 02 2011 23:22 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 23:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On May 02 2011 23:14 HereBeDragons wrote:
On May 02 2011 23:08 feanor1 wrote:
On May 02 2011 23:07 HereBeDragons wrote:
On May 02 2011 22:56 meegrean wrote:
On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote:
On May 02 2011 22:48 feanor1 wrote:
On May 02 2011 22:47 zatic wrote:
On May 02 2011 22:39 Serelitz wrote:
[quote]

You can never know for sure but I think it's also to make sure he doesn't become a martyr.

What I am wondering though - why the hurry?

Between the reports that he was shot (about 16 hours ago) and that they dumped his body in the ocean (about 6 hours ago) they didn't have a whole lot of time.

From the location of the raid it's probably about 300 km to the nearest US base in Afghanistan. From there it's over 2500km to the coast. They were REALLY in a hurry to get rid of that body it seems.

Islamic tradition requires burial within 24 hours


They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body.

The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick.

It was probably just preliminary. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if the US military has the technology to perform quick DNA testing.


I would be surprised if the military world has higher advancement than anyone directly involved in the forensics field is already using. I highly doubt such technology you speak of really exists. Reality is not a replay, you can't just speed up things magically.

I'm no expert, but it shouldn't it involves some kind of comparison between the samples' nucleotides, and then look for a similar pattern? Problem is, how did they handily obtained a sample or a record of Bin Laden's DNA beforehand?

Newspaper/any media won't tell you every little detail, but it sounds quite fishy to me.

His sister Died in Boston recently, they have a sample from her to compare to. Why do so many people feel that the US would fuck something up this huge. If Obama announced it he is 110% sure it is confirmed as Osama. The political ramifications of him being wrong would be HUGE


Very well, they do have a sample. But still, could such a delicate test be done so fast? How sure are they about not getting false positives under such short analysis?

Why would you need a DNA test to be sure someone is dead? It's not like we haven't been sure of anybody's death before DNA was invented for Christ Sake. It's not that hard to identify a body when you are already sure of who is living in the house you just attacked.

If Bin Laden hadn't been killed, Al Qaeda would have reacted immediately and proven very easily with newspaper of this morning and a picture that he is still alive, because that's a huge blow for them.

-Oh My God, they killed Kenny you bastards!
-Wait is it 110% sure? Have you kept samples for a DNA test?

lol....are you serious? Its not to test if the guy is dead. The hole in his left eye is evidence enough for that. Its to test if the dead guy is actually Osama Bin Laden. Since there have been numerous imposters and false sightings of Osama in the past decade, we need DNA testing to make sure we got the right guy

If "we" didn't get the right guy, you would have all the djihad websites saying how America lies and proving Bin Laden is alive. When Italians killed Mussolini, they didn't wait to have DNA test to tell the world he was dead.

American administration is not bad enough to give such an important news without being sure about it. I mean, I really fucking hope for everybody.
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HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
May 02 2011 14:28 GMT
#2205
On May 02 2011 23:18 Supamang wrote:
America has sent a message to all terrorist leaders that we will hunt them down even if it takes a decade.


But it was really expensive.....you need a lot of money that can't really be spent for anything better before you can go hunting in the mountains though...
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
May 02 2011 14:28 GMT
#2206
On May 02 2011 23:24 Sleight wrote:
Hey y'all,

Quick words on DNA analysis:

It takes about 4-6 hours if you have someone else's DNA to compare it to. Having actually done the procedure they use for testing, it's point and click. DNA *sequencing* will take upwards of a day. But when you are testing for a DNA match,all you do is cut up DNA dozens of times with enzymes and match band length. If we have Osama's old DNA, every matched band decreases the likelihood of a non-Osama match by some factor I don't remember. More or less, you match a couple dozen bands at various loci, and, statistically, you can reject the hypothesis that they aren't the same person. That said, it's statistically possible to get 2 unrelated individuals with DNA matching a 2 dozen sites in their genome, but the odds of it being THOSE two dozen sites you test are pretty large.

Cheers.

Yeah, it doesnt take long. In fact, in AP Bio, one of the labs is DNA Electroporesis which is used to test the relatedness of individuals using DNA and electricity. I have done it in the past and it is pretty quick.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
May 02 2011 14:30 GMT
#2207
On May 02 2011 23:25 Essentia wrote:
edit : weird that they buried his body so quickly.


And why is that? They said that he was buried in the islam way. So it has to be done in 24 hours.

Oh yeah, i think this was kinda hilarious.. ^_^

+ Show Spoiler +
http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/326248972
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Petruccio
Profile Joined November 2010
90 Posts
May 02 2011 14:30 GMT
#2208
Why people who express an opposite to official point of view are getting banned?
We can know the truth with enough time passed.
Example:
1961, Cuban people upraising against dictator!
now - CIA organized invasion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

2011, Libyan people upraising against dictator!
Now - have to wait for 50 years for the truth, sorry. Or use your brain now, search for the truth. Even 2,5 months are enough to understand that it is at least a civil war and the initial information was a lie.

I do not get why people are happy about the Bin Laden death. CIA says there will be an act of terror in revenge. Is it difficult to think in advance? A week before Wikileaks says that al Qaeda will use a nuclear bomb in case of Bin Laden death. It looks like somebody decided to pull that string.

Why he was not captured and interrogated? I am sure he possessed a lot of useful information. Why the body immediately dismissed?
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
May 02 2011 14:30 GMT
#2209
On May 02 2011 23:27 Nuttyguy wrote:
if it wasn't osama then he'll just post one of those videos to troll USA.


It has been half a day since the announcement. AlQuaeda has not said anything yet. No videos have been posted.
Osama is ded for sure.
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whatdoido
Profile Joined October 2010
United States80 Posts
May 02 2011 14:31 GMT
#2210
"Jesse Jackson conspiracy theorists will be met with permanent bans. ONLY warning. This means 9/11 inside job, bin laden dead since 2001, etc."

who is jesse jackson and what does he have to do with 9/11 and bin laden? or maybe someone can send me a PM to clarify what a jesse jackson conspiracy theorist is, never heard this term.


meanwhile...

http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367406&catid=37

A senior Al Qaida commander has said that the terror group has stashed away a nuclear bomb in Europe which will be detonated if bin Laden is ever caught or assassinated, according to new top secret files made public by the Internet whistleblower WikiLeaks.



enjoy your nuclear bomb, europe.
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Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
May 02 2011 14:32 GMT
#2211
USA killed the terrorist leader!

Now they can conquer the earth in peace!
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Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
May 02 2011 14:32 GMT
#2212
On May 02 2011 23:28 carloselcoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 23:24 Sleight wrote:
Hey y'all,

Quick words on DNA analysis:

It takes about 4-6 hours if you have someone else's DNA to compare it to. Having actually done the procedure they use for testing, it's point and click. DNA *sequencing* will take upwards of a day. But when you are testing for a DNA match,all you do is cut up DNA dozens of times with enzymes and match band length. If we have Osama's old DNA, every matched band decreases the likelihood of a non-Osama match by some factor I don't remember. More or less, you match a couple dozen bands at various loci, and, statistically, you can reject the hypothesis that they aren't the same person. That said, it's statistically possible to get 2 unrelated individuals with DNA matching a 2 dozen sites in their genome, but the odds of it being THOSE two dozen sites you test are pretty large.

Cheers.

Yeah, it doesnt take long. In fact, in AP Bio, one of the labs is DNA Electroporesis which is used to test the relatedness of individuals using DNA and electricity. I have done it in the past and it is pretty quick.


You guys did home many cuts? 1? 2? True DNA tests do dozens. Increases the time to run all the gels.
One Love
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
May 02 2011 14:32 GMT
#2213
On May 02 2011 23:18 Supamang wrote:
America has sent a message to all terrorist leaders that we will hunt them down even if it takes a decade.

Yeah, I noticed too that more you use the force and kill people and least likely it is that people will be willing to blow themselves in our capital cities underground.

Seriously, it's a dumb as saying that Bin Laden sent a message to America with 11/9. Israeli know very well that you don't shut down terrorism with missiles and helicopters. I mean clever Israelis, not Netanyahu.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
SpiffD
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1264 Posts
May 02 2011 14:33 GMT
#2214
On May 02 2011 23:31 whatdoido wrote:
"Jesse Jackson conspiracy theorists will be met with permanent bans. ONLY warning. This means 9/11 inside job, bin laden dead since 2001, etc."

who is jesse jackson and what does he have to do with 9/11 and bin laden? or maybe someone can send me a PM to clarify what a jesse jackson conspiracy theorist is, never heard this term.


meanwhile...

http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367406&catid=37

Show nested quote +
A senior Al Qaida commander has said that the terror group has stashed away a nuclear bomb in Europe which will be detonated if bin Laden is ever caught or assassinated, according to new top secret files made public by the Internet whistleblower WikiLeaks.



enjoy your nuclear bomb, europe.


thank you murka <3
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 02 2011 14:35 GMT
#2215
On May 02 2011 23:31 whatdoido wrote:
"Jesse Jackson conspiracy theorists will be met with permanent bans. ONLY warning. This means 9/11 inside job, bin laden dead since 2001, etc."

who is jesse jackson and what does he have to do with 9/11 and bin laden? or maybe someone can send me a PM to clarify what a jesse jackson conspiracy theorist is, never heard this term.


meanwhile...

http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367406&catid=37

Show nested quote +
A senior Al Qaida commander has said that the terror group has stashed away a nuclear bomb in Europe which will be detonated if bin Laden is ever caught or assassinated, according to new top secret files made public by the Internet whistleblower WikiLeaks.



enjoy your nuclear bomb, europe.


Uhm, thanks?
Banelings are too cute to blow up
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
May 02 2011 14:35 GMT
#2216
On May 02 2011 23:31 whatdoido wrote:
"Jesse Jackson conspiracy theorists will be met with permanent bans. ONLY warning. This means 9/11 inside job, bin laden dead since 2001, etc."

who is jesse jackson and what does he have to do with 9/11 and bin laden? or maybe someone can send me a PM to clarify what a jesse jackson conspiracy theorist is, never heard this term.


meanwhile...

http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367406&catid=37

Show nested quote +
A senior Al Qaida commander has said that the terror group has stashed away a nuclear bomb in Europe which will be detonated if bin Laden is ever caught or assassinated, according to new top secret files made public by the Internet whistleblower WikiLeaks.



enjoy your nuclear bomb, europe.


I bet that bomb i just like the one in Dont mess with the Zohan.
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carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
May 02 2011 14:37 GMT
#2217
On May 02 2011 23:32 Sleight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 23:28 carloselcoco wrote:
On May 02 2011 23:24 Sleight wrote:
Hey y'all,

Quick words on DNA analysis:

It takes about 4-6 hours if you have someone else's DNA to compare it to. Having actually done the procedure they use for testing, it's point and click. DNA *sequencing* will take upwards of a day. But when you are testing for a DNA match,all you do is cut up DNA dozens of times with enzymes and match band length. If we have Osama's old DNA, every matched band decreases the likelihood of a non-Osama match by some factor I don't remember. More or less, you match a couple dozen bands at various loci, and, statistically, you can reject the hypothesis that they aren't the same person. That said, it's statistically possible to get 2 unrelated individuals with DNA matching a 2 dozen sites in their genome, but the odds of it being THOSE two dozen sites you test are pretty large.

Cheers.

Yeah, it doesnt take long. In fact, in AP Bio, one of the labs is DNA Electroporesis which is used to test the relatedness of individuals using DNA and electricity. I have done it in the past and it is pretty quick.


You guys did home many cuts? 1? 2? True DNA tests do dozens. Increases the time to run all the gels.

All cuts have to be put on the same plate on the same gel. The reaction for all of them happens at the same time. Doesnt take long...
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Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
May 02 2011 14:42 GMT
#2218
On May 02 2011 23:31 whatdoido wrote:
"Jesse Jackson conspiracy theorists will be met with permanent bans. ONLY warning. This means 9/11 inside job, bin laden dead since 2001, etc."

who is jesse jackson and what does he have to do with 9/11 and bin laden? or maybe someone can send me a PM to clarify what a jesse jackson conspiracy theorist is, never heard this term.


meanwhile...

http://www.thestatesman.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367406&catid=37

Show nested quote +
A senior Al Qaida commander has said that the terror group has stashed away a nuclear bomb in Europe which will be detonated if bin Laden is ever caught or assassinated, according to new top secret files made public by the Internet whistleblower WikiLeaks.



enjoy your nuclear bomb, europe.


so that's a double hit ?
just kidding, im french ^^.

on topic, why are the people going in the street for that ? it can only create an anticlimatic hate towards america from the muslim countries.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-02 14:45:51
May 02 2011 14:43 GMT
#2219
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.

1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.

Fast sea burial defuses it.

The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess).
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
May 02 2011 14:44 GMT
#2220
Buried at sea? Really? Wow, that's just begging for conspiracy theorists.

I hope this is true though.
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