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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 02 2011 23:14 HereBeDragons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:08 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 23:07 HereBeDragons wrote:On May 02 2011 22:56 meegrean wrote:On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote:On May 02 2011 22:48 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:47 zatic wrote:On May 02 2011 22:39 Serelitz wrote:On May 02 2011 22:39 busbarn wrote:
Anyone else suspicious to why they dumped him in the ocean? Tortured body into oblivion hidden for us? You can never know for sure but I think it's also to make sure he doesn't become a martyr. What I am wondering though - why the hurry? Between the reports that he was shot (about 16 hours ago) and that they dumped his body in the ocean (about 6 hours ago) they didn't have a whole lot of time. From the location of the raid it's probably about 300 km to the nearest US base in Afghanistan. From there it's over 2500km to the coast. They were REALLY in a hurry to get rid of that body it seems. Islamic tradition requires burial within 24 hours They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. It was probably just preliminary. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if the US military has the technology to perform quick DNA testing. I would be surprised if the military world has higher advancement than anyone directly involved in the forensics field is already using. I highly doubt such technology you speak of really exists. Reality is not a replay, you can't just speed up things magically. I'm no expert, but it shouldn't it involves some kind of comparison between the samples' nucleotides, and then look for a similar pattern? Problem is, how did they handily obtained a sample or a record of Bin Laden's DNA beforehand? Newspaper/any media won't tell you every little detail, but it sounds quite fishy to me. His sister Died in Boston recently, they have a sample from her to compare to. Why do so many people feel that the US would fuck something up this huge. If Obama announced it he is 110% sure it is confirmed as Osama. The political ramifications of him being wrong would be HUGE Very well, they do have a sample. But still, could such a delicate test be done so fast? How sure are they about not getting false positives under such short analysis?
I guess they're already pretty sure it's the right guy and DNA testing is more about making sure he indeed is.
It's not like DNA identification has always and will always be the only means to identifying people.
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LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD
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Wow, the amount of crazy conspiracy theorists coming out of the woodwork...
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they took pictures, and are getting dna samples. i doubt the president is dumb enough to lie about this since there are alot of victims of 9/11. why bury him at sea? why would we want him buried in the usa soil? im sure other countries dont want him ethier.
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Does anyone else stay in close personal contact with those troops overseas? I know I do with my friends. Did anyone else know that for the last 5-6 years at least, they've been raiding and protecting OPIUM DENS and STORAGE FACILITIES instead of making movements against Taliban factions? Then the government pulls this little stunt out of its ass and basically says "LOOK A DISTRACTION" and a lot of people fall for it.
The moral issues with attaching so much positive emotion to a puppet's supposed-'death' are unending and won't be addressed by me for obvious reasons. Politically though, this was a good move. Everyone is distracted and won't be paying attention to what's going on at the home front. The economy is on a huge bubble that's headed towards a massive collapse, unemployment is at an all time high, and we're in a huge economic depression for the Middle-Class, but Osama is dead, so that makes it all ok right?
Its not "good" news, its not "big" news. Its "If-You-React-To-This-Emotionally-You-Are-Retarded" news. If this reality-tv-twist-esque "news" were worth noticing, at the least I would be hearing from about 20 friends right now "We're comin home... wanna go get a beer?". Instead, they're still in danger and far away. I have a problem with that. Any reasonable American should too imo.
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On May 02 2011 23:18 Krallin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:14 HereBeDragons wrote:On May 02 2011 23:08 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 23:07 HereBeDragons wrote:On May 02 2011 22:56 meegrean wrote:On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote:On May 02 2011 22:48 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:47 zatic wrote:On May 02 2011 22:39 Serelitz wrote:On May 02 2011 22:39 busbarn wrote:
Anyone else suspicious to why they dumped him in the ocean? Tortured body into oblivion hidden for us? You can never know for sure but I think it's also to make sure he doesn't become a martyr. What I am wondering though - why the hurry? Between the reports that he was shot (about 16 hours ago) and that they dumped his body in the ocean (about 6 hours ago) they didn't have a whole lot of time. From the location of the raid it's probably about 300 km to the nearest US base in Afghanistan. From there it's over 2500km to the coast. They were REALLY in a hurry to get rid of that body it seems. Islamic tradition requires burial within 24 hours They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. It was probably just preliminary. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if the US military has the technology to perform quick DNA testing. I would be surprised if the military world has higher advancement than anyone directly involved in the forensics field is already using. I highly doubt such technology you speak of really exists. Reality is not a replay, you can't just speed up things magically. I'm no expert, but it shouldn't it involves some kind of comparison between the samples' nucleotides, and then look for a similar pattern? Problem is, how did they handily obtained a sample or a record of Bin Laden's DNA beforehand? Newspaper/any media won't tell you every little detail, but it sounds quite fishy to me. His sister Died in Boston recently, they have a sample from her to compare to. Why do so many people feel that the US would fuck something up this huge. If Obama announced it he is 110% sure it is confirmed as Osama. The political ramifications of him being wrong would be HUGE Very well, they do have a sample. But still, could such a delicate test be done so fast? How sure are they about not getting false positives under such short analysis? I guess they're already pretty sure it's the right guy and DNA testing is more about making sure he indeed is. It's not like DNA identification has always and will always be the only means to identifying people.
Indeed. They got him by photo. Now they want to get him by blood.
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On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD
Fox news makes the TL headers.
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On May 02 2011 23:14 HereBeDragons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:08 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 23:07 HereBeDragons wrote:On May 02 2011 22:56 meegrean wrote:On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote:On May 02 2011 22:48 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:47 zatic wrote:On May 02 2011 22:39 Serelitz wrote:On May 02 2011 22:39 busbarn wrote:
Anyone else suspicious to why they dumped him in the ocean? Tortured body into oblivion hidden for us? You can never know for sure but I think it's also to make sure he doesn't become a martyr. What I am wondering though - why the hurry? Between the reports that he was shot (about 16 hours ago) and that they dumped his body in the ocean (about 6 hours ago) they didn't have a whole lot of time. From the location of the raid it's probably about 300 km to the nearest US base in Afghanistan. From there it's over 2500km to the coast. They were REALLY in a hurry to get rid of that body it seems. Islamic tradition requires burial within 24 hours They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. It was probably just preliminary. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if the US military has the technology to perform quick DNA testing. I would be surprised if the military world has higher advancement than anyone directly involved in the forensics field is already using. I highly doubt such technology you speak of really exists. Reality is not a replay, you can't just speed up things magically. I'm no expert, but it shouldn't it involves some kind of comparison between the samples' nucleotides, and then look for a similar pattern? Problem is, how did they handily obtained a sample or a record of Bin Laden's DNA beforehand? Newspaper/any media won't tell you every little detail, but it sounds quite fishy to me. His sister Died in Boston recently, they have a sample from her to compare to. Why do so many people feel that the US would fuck something up this huge. If Obama announced it he is 110% sure it is confirmed as Osama. The political ramifications of him being wrong would be HUGE Very well, they do have a sample. But still, could such a delicate test be done so fast? How sure are they about not getting false positives under such short analysis?
Why would you need a DNA test to be sure someone is dead? It's not like we haven't been sure of anybody's death before DNA was invented for Christ Sake. It's not that hard to identify a body when you are already sure of who is living in the house you just attacked.
If Bin Laden hadn't been killed, Al Qaeda would have reacted immediately and proven very easily with newspaper of this morning and a picture that he is still alive, because that's a huge blow for them.
-Oh My God, they killed Kenny you bastards!
-Wait is it 110% sure? Have you kept samples for a DNA test?
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Kennigit
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On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD
no, obama is a zombie. i read it on the internet.
Also people need to calm down about this DNA test. Its not like they dont know what he looks like. He's literally the most famous terrorist on earth...
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On May 02 2011 23:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:14 HereBeDragons wrote:On May 02 2011 23:08 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 23:07 HereBeDragons wrote:On May 02 2011 22:56 meegrean wrote:On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote:On May 02 2011 22:48 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:47 zatic wrote:On May 02 2011 22:39 Serelitz wrote:On May 02 2011 22:39 busbarn wrote:
Anyone else suspicious to why they dumped him in the ocean? Tortured body into oblivion hidden for us? You can never know for sure but I think it's also to make sure he doesn't become a martyr. What I am wondering though - why the hurry? Between the reports that he was shot (about 16 hours ago) and that they dumped his body in the ocean (about 6 hours ago) they didn't have a whole lot of time. From the location of the raid it's probably about 300 km to the nearest US base in Afghanistan. From there it's over 2500km to the coast. They were REALLY in a hurry to get rid of that body it seems. Islamic tradition requires burial within 24 hours They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. It was probably just preliminary. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if the US military has the technology to perform quick DNA testing. I would be surprised if the military world has higher advancement than anyone directly involved in the forensics field is already using. I highly doubt such technology you speak of really exists. Reality is not a replay, you can't just speed up things magically. I'm no expert, but it shouldn't it involves some kind of comparison between the samples' nucleotides, and then look for a similar pattern? Problem is, how did they handily obtained a sample or a record of Bin Laden's DNA beforehand? Newspaper/any media won't tell you every little detail, but it sounds quite fishy to me. His sister Died in Boston recently, they have a sample from her to compare to. Why do so many people feel that the US would fuck something up this huge. If Obama announced it he is 110% sure it is confirmed as Osama. The political ramifications of him being wrong would be HUGE Very well, they do have a sample. But still, could such a delicate test be done so fast? How sure are they about not getting false positives under such short analysis? Why would you need a DNA test to be sure someone is dead? It's not like we haven't been sure of anybody's death before DNA was invented for Christ Sake. It's not that hard to identify a body when you are already sure of who is living in the house you just attacked. If Bin Laden hadn't been killed, Al Qaeda would have reacted immediately and proven very easily with newspaper of this morning and a picture that he is still alive, because that's a huge blow for them. -Oh My God, they killed Kenny you bastards!
-Wait is it 110% sure? Have you kept samples for a DNA test?
lol....are you serious? Its not to test if the guy is dead. The hole in his left eye is evidence enough for that. Its to test if the dead guy is actually Osama Bin Laden. Since there have been numerous imposters and false sightings of Osama in the past decade, we need DNA testing to make sure we got the right guy
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On May 02 2011 23:21 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD no, obama is a zombie. i read it on the internet.
You ignorant fool you just permabanned yourself!
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On May 02 2011 23:21 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD no, obama is a zombie. i read it on the internet.
If Obama wasnt dead why would he spend billions of dollars fighting to keep his death certificate from being released?
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On May 02 2011 23:20 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD Fox news makes the TL headers.
Haha! Yeah, I got a notification yeterday from them on my iPhone saying that Usama has been killed. xD
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On May 02 2011 23:21 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD no, obama is a zombie. i read it on the internet.
Obama zombie sinze 2001? 
I'm guessing this is going to spell good things for Obama reelection efforts.
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Hey y'all,
Quick words on DNA analysis:
It takes about 4-6 hours if you have someone else's DNA to compare it to. Having actually done the procedure they use for testing, it's point and click. DNA *sequencing* will take upwards of a day. But when you are testing for a DNA match,all you do is cut up DNA dozens of times with enzymes and match band length. If we have Osama's old DNA, every matched band decreases the likelihood of a non-Osama match by some factor I don't remember. More or less, you match a couple dozen bands at various loci, and, statistically, you can reject the hypothesis that they aren't the same person. That said, it's statistically possible to get 2 unrelated individuals with DNA matching a 2 dozen sites in their genome, but the odds of it being THOSE two dozen sites you test are pretty large.
Cheers.
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On May 02 2011 23:23 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:20 mprs wrote:On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD Fox news makes the TL headers. Haha! Yeah, I got a notification yeterday from them on my iPhone saying that Usama has been killed. xD
Well this is actually legit, Osama can be romanized as Usama or even Usamah.
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On May 02 2011 23:21 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD no, obama is a zombie. i read it on the internet.
That is only a conspiracy which in these thread comes accompained now by an insta ban. Bye bye! 
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edit : weird that they buried his body so quickly.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:23 MangoTango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:21 Kennigit wrote:On May 02 2011 23:18 carloselcoco wrote:
LOLOL! everyone look at the top of the thred at the warning. It says Obama dead since 2001. xD
Spelling error. Should be Osama.
Can an admin fix that? xD no, obama is a zombie. i read it on the internet. Obama zombie sinze 2001? I'm guessing this is going to spell good things for Obama reelection efforts.
I actually feeling particularly stupid because i just finished a rant about 15 mins ago about how news reporters keep screwing up "Obama bin Laden" when reporting this on TV -_-;;;;
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Sanya12364 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:19 sCCrooked wrote:
Does anyone else stay in close personal contact with those troops overseas? I know I do with my friends. Did anyone else know that for the last 5-6 years at least, they've been raiding and protecting OPIUM DENS and STORAGE FACILITIES instead of making movements against Taliban factions? Then the government pulls this little stunt out of its ass and basically says "LOOK A DISTRACTION" and a lot of people fall for it.
The moral issues with attaching so much positive emotion to a puppet's supposed-'death' are unending and won't be addressed by me for obvious reasons. Politically though, this was a good move. Everyone is distracted and won't be paying attention to what's going on at the home front. The economy is on a huge bubble that's headed towards a massive collapse, unemployment is at an all time high, and we're in a huge economic depression for the Middle-Class, but Osama is dead, so that makes it all ok right?
Its not "good" news, its not "big" news. Its "If-You-React-To-This-Emotionally-You-Are-Retarded" news. If this reality-tv-twist-esque "news" were worth noticing, at the least I would be hearing from about 20 friends right now "We're comin home... wanna go get a beer?". Instead, they're still in danger and far away. I have a problem with that. Any reasonable American should too imo.
I agree. It's only meaningful positive news if it meant all the troops were coming home. The death isn't really anything to be glad about.
Also it took more than 9 1/2 to get to this point. Makes you wonder what the troops have been doing the whole time.
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