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Keep it civil guys. Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans. The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally. Confirmation was as follows - On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive. - photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis - confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan. This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
I've read on Tagesanzeiger.ch (don't have the article at hand) that faster is better... | ||
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ChinaRestaurant
Austria324 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:44 carloselcoco wrote: That is confirmed mate. They burried him according to Islamic tradition and law. Read it on CNN  If thats true, kudos ameriguys. That sure was a pretty smart move. At least some people think its not worth having their way with his body instead of trying to keep religious material out of this affair. Only shame is that there probably werent that many photos made of him. I would have really liked to have the different news agencies get a few shots of his body (or at least i didnt read anywhere they did). Could potentially save a lot of arguing with people claiming when, where and how he was killed, as we can only take the government officials words for now (not that they would lie about it but securing your argumentation with some eye witnesses would be useful). | ||
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Hikko
United States1126 Posts
They might have killed him a lot earlier in the day than they announced his death, so they had to do the job sooner. I think they probably didn't announce everything until they had confirmed that it was Osama on the navy ship. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:48 feanor1 wrote: Islamic tradition requires burial within 24 hours They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote: They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. I don't think the DNA verification is done, but it is at least underway | ||
zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:53 Hikko wrote: They might have killed him a lot earlier in the day than they announced his death, so they had to do the job sooner. I think they probably didn't announce everything until they had confirmed that it was Osama on the navy ship. No they didn't it was pretty much 16 (I guess 17 now) hours ago. And yeah I have no idea how DNA analysis works but all this happened damn fast. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote: They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. It was probably just preliminary. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if the US military has the technology to perform quick DNA testing. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote: They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. I'm pretty sure they don't have the DNA results yet. That takes 2-4 days. They used something like face verification. | ||
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Scodia
United Kingdom588 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:51 DoXa wrote: I've read on Tagesanzeiger.ch (don't have the article at hand) that faster is better... On the BBC there's something about them doing it at sea so his grave doesn't become a shrine. | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
http://www.fastcompany.com/1751030/how-a-dna-identity-test-on-osama-bin-laden-works | ||
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Smokey459
United States9 Posts
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:53 TanGeng wrote: They didn't have to bring the body onto a ship. If they kept it in Afghanistan, Osama could have a grave site. A sea burial seems to be way to remove a grave site as well as dispose of the body. The other thing is that DNA verification happened fast. Whatever kind of DNA lab it was, it was quick. Traditional DNA testing averaged about 24-72 hours, but in recent years crime labs have gotten faster at DNA identification, with the more advanced labs getting the job done in as little as 4 hours. I'm sure the US government has better equipment and specialist that could do the job in less time than that even. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
While this is a great symbolic victory for the american army, which undoubtably will fuel the fervor of both civilians and combatants on all sides, this doesn't really change anything. Afghanistan is still forced to endure oppression and forced commercialization. It's civilians are still oppressed by both occupants and paramilitary organizations. Al Quaeda can still use Bin Laden's name in it's cause, but as a "martyr" instead of as a "powerful leader". Mid-East politics are still explosive. In fact, I think this can have more real negative effects than real positive effects. The symbolic victory for american forces which will cause a tremendous moral boost to armed forces as well as civilians supporting the "war on terror" will have equal if not stronger effects on the other side of the conflict, and can be used to incite even more agression towards the occupants and their allies. This can also be the last straw on the camel's back, with the camel here being Pakistan - if the US in any way try to enforce sanctions or any such against Pakistan as a form of "punishment" of Bin Laden being within their borders, this conflict will escalate even further. I'm sure the US arms industry is enjoying themselves, though. | ||
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dubRa
2165 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:00 EsX_Raptor wrote: Perhaps he was killed a few days ago and announced as just being happened? I remember yesterday they were reporting that Osama was killed last week, but they were waiting for confirmation of the body being his. | ||
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:04 plated.rawr wrote: There's no doubt - he had it coming. I will not be mourning his death, but I won't be celebrating it either. In general, celebration of forced death is abominable, and for this case specifically, the irony is overwhelming in addition to the general disrespect of humanity. I'm sure it's already been pointed out hundreds of times in this thread already, so I won't bother going further in on why it is ironic. While this is a great symbolic victory for the american army, which undoubtably will fuel the fervor of both civilians and combatants on all sides, this doesn't really change anything. Afghanistan is still forced to endure oppression and forced commercialization. It's civilians are still oppressed by both occupants and paramilitary organizations. Al Quaeda can still use Bin Laden's name in it's cause, but as a "martyr" instead of as a "powerful leader". Mid-East politics are still explosive. In fact, I think this can have more real negative effects than real positive effects. The symbolic victory for american forces which will cause a tremendous moral boost to armed forces as well as civilians supporting the "war on terror" will have equal if not stronger effects on the other side of the conflict, and can be used to incite even more agression towards the occupants and their allies. This can also be the last straw on the camel's back, with the camel here being Pakistan - if the US in any way try to enforce sanctions or any such against Pakistan as a form of "punishment" of Bin Laden being within their borders, this conflict will escalate even further. I'm sure the US arms industry is enjoying themselves, though. True. The queen bee is dead, but the hive is still alive, with future queen bees in the making. | ||
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biggestnoob
35 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Bin Laden died years ago , Bhutto (RIP) was on top of it. The guy was on a kidney dialysis machine way back in 2001 , living in a cave in a desert on a dialysis machine is hardly the path to a long life. yeah a lot of uninformed people, I've been trying to tell them that Bin Laden had been dead for years. And he had nothing to do with 9/11, well other than being the scapegoat. Bin Laden has always been a CIA asset, in fact CIA has been training him, sending him money, technology, weapons and whatnot to serve USA cause. In fact president Bush and Bush senior are very good friends with the Osama family and even had/have business together. | ||
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HereBeDragons
1429 Posts
On May 02 2011 22:56 meegrean wrote: It was probably just preliminary. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if the US military has the technology to perform quick DNA testing. I would be surprised if the military world has higher advancement than anyone directly involved in the forensics field is already using. I highly doubt such technology you speak of really exists. Reality is not a replay, you can't just speed up things magically. I'm no expert, but it shouldn't it involves some kind of comparison between the samples' nucleotides, and then look for a similar pattern? Problem is, how did they handily obtained a sample or a record of Bin Laden's DNA beforehand? Newspaper/any media won't tell you every little detail, but it sounds quite fishy to me. | ||
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