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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 02 2011 22:14 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:12 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 02 2011 22:10 GreEny K wrote:On May 02 2011 21:55 Topazas wrote:On May 02 2011 21:38 Mooncat wrote:
Please people, do everyone here a favor and don't start "the USA saved the world" arguments. It's an incredibly arrogant and presumptuous statement that can only provoke any non American. Saved? All they saved are they're oil prices. It's sad there are so many people in the world who believe all that bringing democracy bs. User was temp banned for this post. I don't know if you know this but gas is $4.15 here... Don't see how that is saving anything. like 70% of our gas price is taxes. totally unrelated to anything. Isn't it part due to EU environment regulations? Don't actually know, but would explain why gas prices in Western Europe are sky high.
To quantify oil prices, you have to look at two things: crude oil price, and currency exchange rate. This will give you the general international price. Comparing prices from the stations doesn't tell you much about the real price of oil. Each company will sell theirs at different rates in different countries depending on the costs of transportation/refining/taxes/ etc.
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Just to answer some of the people talking about "USA Always saves people's asses" and "They won WW2 for everyone"
The reason USA could even do everything they did after WW2 is because they had never been attacked other than pearl harbor, after WW2 Usa was the richest and most powerful country in the world, they were so rich and powerful they would win a war against any country in the entire world or every single country in the world against them and USA would still win.
Second of all: The russians did most of the work in WW2 making it a two front war, the americans mainly fought the japs.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 02 2011 22:18 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:12 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 02 2011 22:10 GreEny K wrote:On May 02 2011 21:55 Topazas wrote:On May 02 2011 21:38 Mooncat wrote:
Please people, do everyone here a favor and don't start "the USA saved the world" arguments. It's an incredibly arrogant and presumptuous statement that can only provoke any non American. Saved? All they saved are they're oil prices. It's sad there are so many people in the world who believe all that bringing democracy bs. User was temp banned for this post. I don't know if you know this but gas is $4.15 here... Don't see how that is saving anything. like 70% of our gas price is taxes. totally unrelated to anything. That doesn't change the fact that his statement is incorrect...
was just commenting your post unrelated to the quoted stuff ~
On May 02 2011 22:14 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:12 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 02 2011 22:10 GreEny K wrote:On May 02 2011 21:55 Topazas wrote:On May 02 2011 21:38 Mooncat wrote:
Please people, do everyone here a favor and don't start "the USA saved the world" arguments. It's an incredibly arrogant and presumptuous statement that can only provoke any non American. Saved? All they saved are they're oil prices. It's sad there are so many people in the world who believe all that bringing democracy bs. User was temp banned for this post. I don't know if you know this but gas is $4.15 here... Don't see how that is saving anything. like 70% of our gas price is taxes. totally unrelated to anything. Isn't it part due to EU environment regulations? Don't actually know, but would explain why gas prices in Western Europe are sky high.
its part EU regulations, part country specific .
On May 02 2011 22:21 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:17 eight.BiT wrote:On May 02 2011 22:14 vyyye wrote:On May 02 2011 22:12 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 02 2011 22:10 GreEny K wrote:On May 02 2011 21:55 Topazas wrote:On May 02 2011 21:38 Mooncat wrote:
Please people, do everyone here a favor and don't start "the USA saved the world" arguments. It's an incredibly arrogant and presumptuous statement that can only provoke any non American. Saved? All they saved are they're oil prices. It's sad there are so many people in the world who believe all that bringing democracy bs. User was temp banned for this post. I don't know if you know this but gas is $4.15 here... Don't see how that is saving anything. like 70% of our gas price is taxes. totally unrelated to anything. Isn't it part due to EU environment regulations? Don't actually know, but would explain why gas prices in Western Europe are sky high. I think his location thing just says Germany. $4.15 isn't that uncommon for some places in America right now. For a gallon haha. Today I paid 1.65 Euro a liter. Which is over $9 a gallon. You still have it good over there :-)
yeah. and the price is rising constantly...
you americans dont know how damn cheap your gas still is ~~
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On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Hate to break the news, 9/11 wasn't an inside job.
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So... the solider who killed him... did he get the bounty for bin laden's head? If so national hero, rich guy, and pussy magnet for sure.
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On May 02 2011 22:22 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Hate to break the news, 9/11 wasn't an inside job.
right same said about vietnam which proved to be an inside job after 40 years or so , usss main proved the same as well 80 years ago so did the pearl harbor documents about u.s knowing the upcoming japanese invasion but let them do it in order to join the world war 2.
Wait couple of decades is still early
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On May 02 2011 22:14 BasedSwag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:09 MasterFischer wrote:Help me understand something please... What in god's green earth, has the fact that Osama Bin Laden was trained and funded by the U.S government against the russians, got ANYTHING... anything at all, to do with the fact that Bin Laden, is a known terrorist and murderer and is now dead, because of a good NAVY SEALS effort? That's right, nothing. Americans aided him in a war between countries /russian, afganistan, this is considered "normal" since war is war.. But being a terrorist and a tyrant at that is an entirely different story.. It's like saying, well, this EX-policeofficer, who turned out to be a serial-killer, was TRAINED by the government to conduct police affairs... o ohh.. so it must be our fault now? We can't be happy that this serial killer is now dead and his reign of terror is over.. cmon people now...  It has to do with it because it would have been impossible for Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda to commit their terrorist acts without the original training and funding by the U.S. Your analogy is false because anyone could conceivably commit several acts of murder, but not anyone or any group of people could conceivably plan to hijack several planes and fly them at high 'value' targets and then carry out that plan successfully, furthermore evading capture for a decade.
Bin laden had a massive inheritance to fund with anyway. The US was backing the Afghan-Soviet war in which Osama was involved in. He probably wasn't even a blip on the radar then, and we were trying to stop Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
It's not like the US sat down at a round table in the 80's and said, 'Okay, we've got this really rich guy who's going to be a terrorist eventually. Let's train and fund him.' I highly doubt the US training was so specific and detailed that it gave him the ability to lead a terrorist organization and execute the attacks. He probably got his ability from many multiple sources.
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On May 02 2011 22:22 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Hate to break the news, 9/11 wasn't an inside job.
Does it matter if it was directly or indirectly. Was it not an invited attack?
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On May 02 2011 22:21 zatic wrote:
never mind.
In Hong Kong it's about US $8 a gallon, stop complaining XD you Americans have among the lowest gas prices in the world.
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On May 02 2011 22:25 st3roids wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:22 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Hate to break the news, 9/11 wasn't an inside job. right same said about vietnam which proved to be an inside job after 40 years or so , usss main proved the same as well 80 years ago so did the pearl harbor documents about u.s knowing the upcoming japanese invasion but let them do it in order to join the world war 2. Wait couple of decades is still early
I'm just loving your logic buddy continue. The US deliberately let its entire pacific fleet get destroyed so it could join the war. Makes a ton of sense, I mean before I fight someone I shoot myself in the foot too. They expected the attack, but not at Pearl Harbor.
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Good riddance to that fucker
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On May 02 2011 22:31 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:25 st3roids wrote:On May 02 2011 22:22 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Hate to break the news, 9/11 wasn't an inside job. right same said about vietnam which proved to be an inside job after 40 years or so , usss main proved the same as well 80 years ago so did the pearl harbor documents about u.s knowing the upcoming japanese invasion but let them do it in order to join the world war 2. Wait couple of decades is still early I'm just loving your logic buddy continue. The US deliberately let its entire pacific fleet get destroyed so it could join the war. Makes a ton of sense, I mean before I fight someone I shoot myself in the foot too. They expected the attack, but not at Pearl Harbor.
Actually, they never expected the attack because the attack happened before the declaration of war. But one can argue that they had pressured japan to do something of that sort with the ABCD formation
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On May 02 2011 22:21 zatic wrote:
never mind.
Haha, that's exactly how I felt so many times typing replies out to trolls only to delete them before hitting submit.
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On May 02 2011 22:33 frodoguy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:31 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:25 st3roids wrote:On May 02 2011 22:22 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Hate to break the news, 9/11 wasn't an inside job. right same said about vietnam which proved to be an inside job after 40 years or so , usss main proved the same as well 80 years ago so did the pearl harbor documents about u.s knowing the upcoming japanese invasion but let them do it in order to join the world war 2. Wait couple of decades is still early I'm just loving your logic buddy continue. The US deliberately let its entire pacific fleet get destroyed so it could join the war. Makes a ton of sense, I mean before I fight someone I shoot myself in the foot too. They expected the attack, but not at Pearl Harbor. Actually, they never expected the attack because the attack happened before the declaration of war
This is not the place, but there were signs that its was coming. Intercepted communications, ect....
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On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Everyone outside the US and many inside believe 9/11 was an inside job? Pearl harbor was an inside job too? Man, what a way to start the war off, kill off nearly your entire Navy. My friend, you can't just say something and wish it to be true. Even if 9/11 was an inside job, AQ has attacked multiple western as well as middle eastern countries and killed thousands if not hundreds of thousands indirectly through inspiring copycats.
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Obama wasted Osama. Congratulations, Amies. But hell, he was alive through all decade. How the hell dipshit do that? 
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On May 02 2011 22:26 Softboing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:14 BasedSwag wrote:On May 02 2011 22:09 MasterFischer wrote:Help me understand something please... What in god's green earth, has the fact that Osama Bin Laden was trained and funded by the U.S government against the russians, got ANYTHING... anything at all, to do with the fact that Bin Laden, is a known terrorist and murderer and is now dead, because of a good NAVY SEALS effort? That's right, nothing. Americans aided him in a war between countries /russian, afganistan, this is considered "normal" since war is war.. But being a terrorist and a tyrant at that is an entirely different story.. It's like saying, well, this EX-policeofficer, who turned out to be a serial-killer, was TRAINED by the government to conduct police affairs... o ohh.. so it must be our fault now? We can't be happy that this serial killer is now dead and his reign of terror is over.. cmon people now... It has to do with it because it would have been impossible for Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda to commit their terrorist acts without the original training and funding by the U.S. Your analogy is false because anyone could conceivably commit several acts of murder, but not anyone or any group of people could conceivably plan to hijack several planes and fly them at high 'value' targets and then carry out that plan successfully, furthermore evading capture for a decade. Bin laden had a massive inheritance to fund with anyway. The US was backing the Afghan-Soviet war in which Osama was involved in. He probably wasn't even a blip on the radar then, and we were trying to stop Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. It's not like the US sat down at a round table in the 80's and said, 'Okay, we've got this really rich guy who's going to be a terrorist eventually. Let's train and fund him.' I highly doubt the US training was so specific and detailed that it gave him the ability to lead a terrorist organization and execute the attacks. He probably got his ability from many multiple sources.
Bin Laden had Saudi (US supported) funding but Al-Qaeda was formed off the back of the billions of dollars in funding that the mujahideen in Afghanistan recieved during that time, and the connections between groups existed because of the training camps set up by the U.S., the infrastructure was created by the U.S. government. Was it foreseeable that they would target the West in their terrorist activities, maybe not, but they trained them to BE terrorists undeniably, and Bin Laden was a notable figure in the resistance at that time.
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On May 02 2011 22:33 frodoguy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:31 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:25 st3roids wrote:On May 02 2011 22:22 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Hate to break the news, 9/11 wasn't an inside job. right same said about vietnam which proved to be an inside job after 40 years or so , usss main proved the same as well 80 years ago so did the pearl harbor documents about u.s knowing the upcoming japanese invasion but let them do it in order to join the world war 2. Wait couple of decades is still early I'm just loving your logic buddy continue. The US deliberately let its entire pacific fleet get destroyed so it could join the war. Makes a ton of sense, I mean before I fight someone I shoot myself in the foot too. They expected the attack, but not at Pearl Harbor. Actually, they never expected the attack because the attack happened before the declaration of war
Just because an attack happens before any declaration of war doesn't make it unexpected. I don't think the Iraq or Afghanistan conflicts from the US perspective were unexpected. Yet war was never even declared. Declaring war is often just a formality once diplomatic channels fail.
OT: I'd say this news is good for most of the developed world. The world is probably a marginally safer place because of the symbolic victory here. Opposing team America will ultimately get you killed. You can run but you can't hide in caves for more than 10 years!
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On May 02 2011 22:33 frodoguy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:31 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:25 st3roids wrote:On May 02 2011 22:22 feanor1 wrote:On May 02 2011 22:21 st3roids wrote:
The problem lies that u.s start the war on terror cause due to the collapse of world trade center and they all blame bill landen for that.
Now thing is that almost everyone outside u.s ( and many inside ) believes that was a work of the .us government , like it was the uss main incident 100 years ago , the pearl harbor and the vietnam war.
Read some history it rly tends to repeat itself
Hate to break the news, 9/11 wasn't an inside job. right same said about vietnam which proved to be an inside job after 40 years or so , usss main proved the same as well 80 years ago so did the pearl harbor documents about u.s knowing the upcoming japanese invasion but let them do it in order to join the world war 2. Wait couple of decades is still early I'm just loving your logic buddy continue. The US deliberately let its entire pacific fleet get destroyed so it could join the war. Makes a ton of sense, I mean before I fight someone I shoot myself in the foot too. They expected the attack, but not at Pearl Harbor. Actually, they never expected the attack because the attack happened before the declaration of war. But one can argue that they had pressured japan to do something of that sort with the ABCD formation
That's what usually happens, someone attacks someone and then they declare war with each other. Not too many big wars have been started with someone exclaiming "WE ARE AT WAR!" right before they attack unprovoced.
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