EPTNews: Local Family Has Daughter Born Without Face - Page 6
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Louder
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n00bsaibot
United States1070 Posts
On December 15 2004 18:58 Liquid`Drone wrote: Just be yourself man. If youre afraid of what people will think of you, and thus put on this constant masquerade, why even bother? We're all strangers anyway, shouldnt care what we think. It just gives me more cannon fodder to prove you wrong, and hopefully make you think twice about yourself. she can sit on the internet all day and play poker oh my I wanted to be cruel now but I'm too nice I almost wish this was 3-4 years ago so I'd be a big enough asshole to post what I almost feel like posting and now I'm going to get pm's asking me what I was going to post but no sirees. But playing online is a pretty good example. I mean thats why half of you ugly fucks are here in the first place, youve already experienced the joy of being shunned by the outside world. So what did you do? You found a place where you could be accepted and enjoy some time to yourself. A facial anomoly does not mean you cant feel the emotion of happiness. She can still eat chocolate, she can still masturbate, she can still watch the matrix, she can still have cyber sex, tell jokes online, make people smile, and smile back, and she can still find a hobby. Plus, she has a syndrome, one with a name, one which has happened to people before. Maybe she'll find someone just like her and they'll fall in love, i mean she can even reproduce, how about that shit. Her child could be the most beautiful creature ever, the creature you or someone like you could end up with one day. Her defect is no guaranteed to be passed on. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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I don't because being one isn't nice. | ||
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brian
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btw im pretty sure Baal's first language wasnt english. Way to jump on understandable mistakes. find people like you? people like you are as much a minority as black irishmen. Its a lot easier to say "Im understanding and i wont be cruel" over the internet than to actually come to terms with it in real life. as for education, after going through the minimum of 40 - 45 surgeries, how much money do you think her family is going to have to send her to school? how will they afford anything but public education? | ||
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n00bsaibot
United States1070 Posts
The ignorance level here is truely astonishing. I mean, why do i even bother. I know im talking to people under the age of 18, who have shit for life experience or real world practical knowledge. I just need to know if ive changed the mind of even one person slightly? Otherwise ill just assume the intelligence gap is too great, and they lack the proper synaptic connections in their little heads to comprehend the possibilities of anything i say. Much like your video card cant handle DX9 without the proper features being built into it, you cant understand common sense when it is above your reach. | ||
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n00bsaibot
United States1070 Posts
On December 15 2004 19:14 Liquid`Drone wrote: I think honesty is the nicest thing of all. I'd rather you tell me how you feel than lie to me. what, do you think I choose to not be an asshole because of what people will think of me? I don't because being one isn't nice. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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brian
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On December 15 2004 19:17 n00bsaibot wrote: and im surprised this was only mentioned once, but RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY. There are constant breakthroughs in medical science. And there are plenty of people who look half way fucked up, but better than her, and lead fine lives. Even though they said she needs another 30 possible surgeries, that was by todays science and capabilities. Plus she can just wear a mask, sort of like Vanilla Sky, if you ever saw that. Those things are HIGHLY effective. People will at least be able to tolerate her presence in school, while she fills her mind with knowledge of the stars, or whatever her future passion may be. Hell, she could solve her own problem of surgical appearance, invent some new techniques, and help millions in the future, all due to her wanting to cure herself. And even then, it may only require 10 surgeries for her to be able to socialize with the majority of idiots out there. Not every ugly person in the world has a horrible life. If she can just get passed phase 1. Shes fucking 2 years old, theres no telling how she'll look in 10 years with or without surgery. Hell her natural aging process could fix a few things unexpectedly. The ignorance level here is truely astonishing. I mean, why do i even bother. I know im talking to people under the age of 18, who have shit for life experience or real world practical knowledge. I just need to know if ive changed the mind of even one person slightly? Otherwise ill just assume the intelligence gap is too great, and they lack the proper synaptic connections in their little heads to comprehend the possibilities of anything i say. Much like your video card cant handle DX9 without the proper features being built into it, you cant understand common sense when it is above your reach. yes, because anyone not directly in line with you or heading in that direction lacks intelligence. spoken by a true genius. yeah, you're scenario is pretty and all, but she has just the same probability of drowning in her misery. being made fun of. dwelling on it for all of her life. hating everyone in her world. hating living, being alive, and wishing she were dead. she could kill somebody else to release her feelings. she could do anything. i could come up with the most grim and illogical scenario just the same as you can draw your picture of perfect. but again, this world is not accepting of change. | ||
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n00bsaibot
United States1070 Posts
On December 15 2004 19:15 Gene wrote: I noticed myself when i said "it", and i chose it because i was wanting to put it in terms he would understand. I actually felt using the term she, or her, at that moment would evade him. you're right n00bsaibot. "stop dehumanizing -it-" good job. btw im pretty sure Baal's first language wasnt english. Way to jump on understandable mistakes. find people like you? people like you are as much a minority as black irishmen. Its a lot easier to say "Im understanding and i wont be cruel" over the internet than to actually come to terms with it in real life. as for education, after going through the minimum of 40 - 45 surgeries, how much money do you think her family is going to have to send her to school? how will they afford anything but public education? And if english isnt his language, then i take it back. But there is a definite comparison to be made with his judgements and intelligence level. As with anyone. But only to a certain degree. Baal could very well be a complete idiot for what hes saying. Or he may not. But could i be a complete idiot for saying this person deserves to live? Is there honestly any way whatsoever i could be 100% wrong about this notion? There are things i could be wrong about, but could i be as dumbfoundedly stupid as him, theoretically? We're talking life and death here, and it is pretty hard to say anyone should just die, especially if they themselves dont want to. But its very easy for anyone to say anyone should live. You reallllllly need to think about the gravity of life and death here. And i dont think anything would ever give you a scope on it until you yourself are faced with death, then once you see how badly you want to live, youll know what it's like to have come so close to being denied life. Finally, i dont doubt im the minority, but you are trying to tell me that i dont know what im talking about? That if i met this person in real life theres a chance i'd take back everything i said, cringe in horror, and hate the person? Wtf is this? This isnt like being exposed to the plague. So i see a fucking deformity and i will have no choice but to loathe what i see from that point on? I do have free will you know. It aint like burning my skin or some shit in which i will have no control how my body reacts, where daily exposure and practice is my only way to adapt. I will make a concious decision in my head how to treat this person, and since i never have and never will treat anyone i meet with cruelty, im sure im not all the sudden going to start with this person. It is really quite absurd for the second time, that you assume "well you dont know how youll act until youre faced with it". Its a fucking person man, not the damn pepsi challenge. I already know how i treat people. | ||
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n00bsaibot
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yes, because anyone not directly in line with you or heading in that direction lacks intelligence. spoken by a true genius. Ok, what the hell are you talking about "same probability". There is no fucking probability ratio here, there is no way to measure how shes going to live her life, so there is absolutely no equal guess as to which way it will turn. yeah, you're scenario is pretty and all, but she has just the same probability of drowning in her misery. being made fun of. dwelling on it for all of her life. hating everyone in her world. hating living, being alive, and wishing she were dead. she could kill somebody else to release her feelings. she could do anything. i could come up with the most grim and illogical scenario just the same as you can draw your picture of perfect. but again, this world is not accepting of change. I also challenge you to show me evidence of anyone with a disability doing any of the things you described. What you described are things that happen in todays world, but not by the disabled, but rather by the emotionally troubles. Now you may think this girl will have obvious emotional troubles, therefore that puts her in the playing field to become a mass murderer or suicide victim. Since there are millions of disabled people, there should be at least one recorded instance of this happening. Since there are plenty of instances of this happening by people who are not disabled. Get my point? What im saying is in all likelihood, the only thing this person will ever suffer from is depression. Your examples of possibilities are not well-rounded or realistic at all. My examples are VERY realistic. Youve cant seriously think that in her entire life she will feel no joy at any point. However i CAN seriously say that at no point in her life will she ever kill anyone. | ||
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HiFi
United States518 Posts
anyway, one day we'll all figure out why God has made it this way. | ||
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brian
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n00bsaibot
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hating everyone in her world. hating living, being alive, and wishing she were dead. But those are not guaranteed feelings. However i can guarantee she will feel the following: Love, happiness, laughter, tearful joy, compassion. You just cant live a life without feeling that at least once, but many people live without wanting to die. You said you could come up with an equally grim reality to the positive one i have somewhat outlined. Go ahead, do it. I guarantee i'll show you how off-base yours are in contrast to mine. And then we'll really see if you believe what you claim. | ||
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brian
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to feel love you must feel pain to feel happiness you must feel sorrow sorry i typed so much last post~ you dont think a disabled person has lost their mind, and killed people? out of all the millions of people in the world? do you really need me to find an example for you? go to that site to see the number of murders in the united states only. and you think they were all free from disability? that they were all cold blooded murders? that the only drive behind them was from their own insanity and not provoked by other people? seeing as theres such a thing as Voluntary Manslaughter, which in a sentence is "Being provoked or incited to kill by an action that would make an average man lose control." do you think disabled people werent taunted to the final straw? hmm i dont know where this fits in for or against my arguement, but just so clear up, verbal taunts arent uh. "allowed" as an action to make oneself lose control.-- as per the law | ||
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n00bsaibot
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I mean i could change my opinion and think your way but then again the pain and suffering shes going to go through is not something any human being should go through. Somebody already asked this question, but ill ask again. A pretty good test of your will to live is this:You get in a crash crash. You go through the front windshield. Your face is sliced beyond recognition, your skull shattered. You lose an arm and a leg, and are paralyzed from the waist down. But you recover, and are in good health after months of treatment. After the initial shock of how your life has changed, i.e. you have grown used to your current situation, a doctor offers you the chance of suicide. Would you take it? I mean this happens to people all the time. The human body is pretty fragile. All your experiences, all your knowledge, all the things that make you who you are, are you now suddenly willing to just destroy it? To never experience anything ever again? All because of how the public will treat you? Is it really that important what others think? Lets say after 20 years you still look no different, and people have been treating you horribly this whole time. So now you have a good taste of what its like to be miserable (only if you let them make you miserable). What do you do? I myself know what i would do, fuckin live. I want those brief moments of happiness, i want to see how the world evovles, i want to see what the next cool movie is, or the next big video game, etc etc. | ||
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brian
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n00bsaibot
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On December 15 2004 19:49 Gene wrote: The idea that one cant feel happiness without pain, attempts to relate to the balance of power and how all things are relative. You cant go fast without someone else going slow, you cant be evil without something else representing good, etc etc. They arent meant to be literal, they are meant to illustrate how we asign value to things. But value is irrelevant. A ball lays on the ground whether or not anything else is there to compare it with, the ball still exists. A tree makes sound waves in the forest by falling whether or not anyone is there to hear it. And a person can release endorphins into their bloodstream, thus affecting their brain, making them relaxed and calm regardless of how much adrenaline or other negative feeling they have experienced. A person can feel joy without pain, albeit in reality we all feel both from time to time. just to keep it simple, im not sure who said it to feel love you must feel pain to feel happiness you must feel sorrow sorry i typed so much last post~ you dont think a disabled person has lost their mind, and killed people? out of all the millions of people in the world? do you really need me to find an example for you? go to that site to see the number of murders in the united states only. and you think they were all free from disability? that they were all cold blooded murders? that the only drive behind them was from their own insanity and not provoked by other people? seeing as theres such a thing as Voluntary Manslaughter, which in a sentence is "Being provoked or incited to kill by an action that would make an average man lose control." do you think disabled people werent taunted to the final straw? hmm i dont know where this fits in for or against my arguement, but just so clear up, verbal taunts arent uh. "allowed" as an action to make oneself lose control.-- as per the law As for murder stats, the only disabled people (and by disabled im referring to extreme cases like our good friend here, not some guy in a wheelchair), who would fall into those numbers would simply be a product of the law of averages. There is no correlation to be drawn from disabled people and their tendency to lash out in extremes. However one could use those stats and draw obvious correlations between divoced wives, drug dealers, sexual abuse victims, repeat prison offenders, etc etc. Im sure one of those numbers representing a death in there was caused by a 88 year old woman with a purple wig at high noon wearning a clown suit. Shit happens, doesnt mean anything. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
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On December 15 2004 19:15 Gene wrote: you're right n00bsaibot. "stop dehumanizing -it-" good job. btw im pretty sure Baal's first language wasnt english. Way to jump on understandable mistakes. find people like you? people like you are as much a minority as black irishmen. Its a lot easier to say "Im understanding and i wont be cruel" over the internet than to actually come to terms with it in real life. as for education, after going through the minimum of 40 - 45 surgeries, how much money do you think her family is going to have to send her to school? how will they afford anything but public education? they will get crazy government funding | ||
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n00bsaibot
United States1070 Posts
On December 15 2004 19:53 Gene wrote: well allow me to rephrase, how do you think most people would react? Maybe we should make a poll out of this. Because your opinion is skewed for the fact that you have other issues at hand which would pre-empt you personally to choose death. But i still say, the moment someone puts a gun to your head, youll pray to god that you survive. Its next to impossible to deny the fight for survival when you arent given the choice, i.e. surprise. nope. kill me please. i for one am not strong enough as a person to not be able to go outside without being gawked at and made the center of attention. ive seen all of this world i want to. the only thing to hold me back from pulling the trigger are other people. in essense i live not for myself, but just to see certain people tomorrow. but when im terrible disfigured and have trouble getting around, i cant go see them and not feel uncomfortable. there is no reason for me to live. | ||
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n00bsaibot
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On December 15 2004 19:57 Keanu_Reaver wrote: Or donations, or experimental surgery, or since we dont know much about this family, maybe they can already afford it. I know the navy doesnt pay well, but inheritence for example. It is because of possibilities like these, it is absolutely absurd to just throw it all out the window and assume the worst. they will get crazy government funding | ||
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