EPT2011 Canadian Election - Page 35
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gold_
Canada312 Posts
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
By the way, I read somewhere that the reason the cons shot down the UBB stuff is because they thought it could hurt them in an upcoming election. Now that they've won a majority, they're probably already busy calculating the political damage it'll have over 4 years and then they'll implement something. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On May 03 2011 23:55 Kagin wrote: Im not sure where all the absolute faith in the NDP came from. The NDP has very rarely been in the position of power and when they were they made terrible decisions that cost taxpayers a lot of money (BC fast ferries). People need to look past the stupid campaign commercials and look at the track record of the parties. Believing the promises of a politician running for office is like believing a car salesman.......its something you don't do. Everyone jumped on the Layton bandwagon of helping families without thinking of the implications for big business which is the heart of the economy. I voted conservative and while I am not a big fanboy of them, they are the lesser of two evils in my opinion. The track record of conservatives should be the one that scares you. I mean, Harper and his dufus financial minister Flaherty were saying in 2008 that there is no such thing as a recession. Big lol right there. Then they said that there will be no deficits in Canada, another big lol. And the list can go on. Can you honestly tell me that you trust the conservative decision making when they are the ones that had the country unprepared for the biggest economic depression since the 30's? | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
Flaccid: You make a compelling argument. I don't support him because of his crime bills, but he did make it harder for sexual predators to get pardons (Graham (?) vs Fleury). I'm not really worried about criminal pardons so much seeing as how I'm not one, but if there's an issue with where they go then obviously it has to be dealt with. Gold: we can hope it doesn't go that far and when it does we'll just have to have a voice and rise up (poor timing for the expression maybe) | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:04 RajaF wrote: The track record of conservatives should be the one that scares you. I mean, Harper and his dufus financial minister Flaherty were saying in 2008 that there is no such thing as a recession. Big lol right there. Then they said that there will be no deficits in Canada, another big lol. And the list can go on. Can you honestly tell me that you trust the conservative decision making when they are the ones that had the country unprepared for the biggest economic depression since the 30's? Unprepared or not, look at how we came out. Aside from major cuts in the auto industry, I can't recall us being hit severely. Big lol. And you're really going to hold a couple of comments against people? They really scare you? Politicians say (some "promise) things everyday that never come to fruition. I don't understand why people try to follow politics via the things said as opposed to the things that happen. another big lol. And I agree with Kagin. In a federal position, the Conservatives are absolutely the lesser evil. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:04 RajaF wrote: The track record of conservatives should be the one that scares you. I mean, Harper and his dufus financial minister Flaherty were saying in 2008 that there is no such thing as a recession. Big lol right there. Then they said that there will be no deficits in Canada, another big lol. And the list can go on. Can you honestly tell me that you trust the conservative decision making when they are the ones that had the country unprepared for the biggest economic depression since the 30's? But then you need to ask yourself, if we had a liberal federal government, would we be in the same position we are today (Coming out of the recession decently strong) | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:11 57 Corvette wrote: But then you need to ask yourself, if we had a liberal federal government, would we be in the same position we are today (Coming out of the recession decently strong) Dubious, fear-mongering logic on display here. Could say this about anything. e.g. You also need to ask yourself, if we had a liberal federal government, would we be in the same position we are today (not being gang-raped by goblins). Vote Conservative majority in 2011 for continued goblin-free, non-diluted-asshole Canada. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:11 57 Corvette wrote: But then you need to ask yourself, if we had a liberal federal government, would we be in the same position we are today (Coming out of the recession decently strong) I can tell you one thing for sure. It was not because of anything the government did that we came out of the recession (and my opinion is that we have not yet) as good as we did. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
Speaking of history of action, 3 words: Contempt of Paliement It's a sad state of affaire, imo, when a party is "punished" for commiting one of the worst anti-democratic acts that is possible...by getting a majority. Ooops. The message it sends to Harper is that he can pretty much do whatever the fuck he wants to. I find that a bit scary. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:25 REM.ca wrote: The Rhino Party is not an anarchist party. They are a political satire party that purposely make absurd propositions to entertain and comment on certain of the current political non-sense. They're not anti-government, they're just anti confederation. Speaking of history of action, 3 words: Contemps of Paliement It's a sad state of affaire, imo, when a party is "punished" for commiting one of the worst anti-democratic acts that is possible...by getting a majority. Ooops. The message it sends to Harper is that he can pretty much do whatever the fuck he wants to. I think he was joking about the anarchist part. Easy to be found in contempt of parliament when the decision is based on MP voting and the other side has more votes than you do. The fact that Bev Oda is re-elected, Harper gets a majority, Liberals are fatally wounded, Ignatieff loses his seat and leaves the Liberals leader-less makes me wonder why we even had an election to begin with. | ||
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Flaccid
8929 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:11 garlicface wrote: Unprepared or not, look at how we came out. Aside from major cuts in the auto industry, I can't recall us being hit severely. Big lol. As much as the Conservatives will take credit for 'steering the ship' through economic down-turn, they had very little to do with how well, comparatively, Canada made out during the global recession. Analysts and economists predicted from the onset that it would be our always-in-demand surplus of raw commodities shielding us from the major blow of recession. And that's exactly what happened. People can stop buying cars, but industry isn't going to stop buying crude or potash. In Alberta, besides some initial knee-jerk reactions from companies looking to cut fat, we didn't have a recession. The economy is strong once again and companies are scrambling to replace all of the guys they laid off last year. It's not an industry characterized by a great deal of foresight... Whether or not the stimulus did more than it cost (has it been long enough to analyze it yet? I honestly don't know), the credit or blame will have to be split up among all parties who contributed to that plan. Everything else that happened is beyond the realm of federal government influence. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 03 2011 14:06 Taku wrote: Sigh okay if you don't want to talk about it anymore okay, but you're seriously basing all this on the work of two questionable theorists? No, its just an example, there are a lot of alternative systems, I just proposed this system since its something a lot of people hadn't heard of, and by postulating solutions to the current system, it brings out a lot of the issues that the current system has. Its like any theory, -- no theory is perfect, just as no economic/governance system is perfect. I'm not proposing we move headlong into a parecon system, I'm just trying to say that discussing elements of said system generates discussion over the flaws in the current one. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 03 2011 14:24 Le BucheRON wrote: Works pretty well for Australia. As a Canadian who DIDN'T vote for Harper, take a deep breath. It'll be alright. I hope so dude. I'm doing my PhD. I will be looking for a job at a university as a professor in a few years. Funding to universities has decreased a lot recently-- departments are closing, universities are starting to be run like corporations because theres no other option. My field is especially hard hit, so I'm worried in that regard. My wife does environmental education, I'm worried for her job future as well because it depends funding for programs-- neither the environment, nor NGO funding is a priority for this government. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:39 Figgy wrote: Amazing how many immigrants we let in, you mean. And I'm not even joking about this, there is a reason it's so low. That's fairly divisive, construably racist without statistics. I live in Toronto, I know a LOT of immigrants that vote. | ||
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
On May 04 2011 00:28 Achilles wrote: I think he was joking about the anarchist part. Easy to be found in contempt of parliament when the decision is based on MP voting and the other side has more votes than you do. The fact that Bev Oda is re-elected, Harper gets a majority, Liberals are fatally wounded, Ignatieff loses his seat and leaves the Liberals leader-less makes me wonder why we even had an election to begin with. "Easy" is a bit of a euphemism considering it has never even happened in the history of any of the commonwealth countries. It also requires more than a House vote, being dependent on a comitee commisioned to investigate the matter. The results you cite are definately suprising given the situation but imo they're more a reflection of an uninformed/apathetic voting population than they are a comment on the necessity of re-election. Don't you think it would be wrong/unconstitutional/anti-democratic for a government to be found in contempt of parliament without an election? | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 03 2011 14:55 Fraud wrote: I see a bit of hate against corporations. Who owns corporations in Canada? The evil people? Or perhaps it's the average Canadian with their RRSP and pension plan. Most corporate taxation is stealing from ourselves. My problem with redistribution is this elitist attitude of "you work hard, I take it away". While all canadians agree for the need of regulation and social safety nets, there are different extremities. I don't work 60 hour weeks so that half my salary goes to people that don't know the value of a dollar. People working for corporations don't benefit from corporate profits, shareholders do. Shareholders are generally the top 1-5% of income earners in a population. Yes, it includes people with RRSPs and pensions, but its difficult to contribute when you don't have a job. In addition, the conservatives have said before they want to scrap the pension plan. I agree with the idea that hard work should be rewarded, but under a laissez-faire system, it becomes increasingly difficult for hard work to yield any benefit at all since you see a huge concentration of wealth. Deregulation, smaller government, lower taxation, and less social spending all contribute to this type of environment. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 03 2011 14:12 Norwenna wrote: Hi, im from Québec, and i just want to say that i do not understand whats going on in the rest of the canada. Why does evryone in the west keep on voting for a political party that support everything people should be against ? They are : Doing Fear and bashing campaigns against other parties based on nonsense and absurdities. No respect on anything environmental. Throwing major investments OUTSIDE of the country, like the planes. No respect of the ppl freedom (gay, abortion, etc) Again, Censuring everything, even question asked to Harper ? Putting money in banks/OLD energy which are closer and closer to become obsolete. Where in every other advanced country in the world people are pushing for new energy use. Breaking and disrespecting our own laws .... And after people dont understand why Québec always want to split off. NONE of them are in with how anyone sees canada at all here... WHY DO YOU VOTE FOR HARPER, I DONT UNDERSTAND ? I don't know-- a lot of people vote against their own self interest, it's interesting that the right is generally able to mobilize the lower-middle class in some sectors of the population, and this is increasingly the case when you have larger corporate control over media. (Sorry people in the US, its true) This is one of the reasons I'm quite uncomfortable about Harper et al's remarks about defunding/eliminating the CBC. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:46 RoseTempest wrote: thus is the solution, don't let any immigrants in, and more people will vote :D Now that is starting to sound downright fascist. | ||
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