EPTOn May 03 2011 23:14 Achilles wrote:
Bell and Rogers withdrew their cap.
Bell and Rogers withdrew their cap.
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RajaF
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On May 03 2011 23:14 Achilles wrote: Bell and Rogers withdrew their cap. New prisons house the criminals we already have instead of letting them go free early because we can't house them all If you have the money you deserve to have access to better healthcare as long as the universal option is present for those who don't. Bell and Rogers withdrew their caps on a temporary basis, until the CRTC "discusses" a better way to screw consumers. Educate yourself before speaking. Harper and the cons are pro metered billing, they are the only party who did not say what the plan is going forward. So you mean to tell me that you believe the US prison system is working properly? You mean to say that overcrowding with minimal sentences is helpful in the "rehabilitation program"? And three makes me lol. If there is a two tiered system (which Harper and the cons are all for), with the public system barely having enough money to survive (because you know, corporate tax cuts need to be funded somehow) and public system doctors getting paid shit, who do you think doctors will want to work for? What it means is that the rich will get health care and the poor will get the shaft. | ||
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gold_
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On May 03 2011 23:14 Achilles wrote: Bell and Rogers withdrew their cap. New prisons house the criminals we already have instead of letting them go free early because we can't house them all If you have the money you deserve to have access to better healthcare as long as the universal option is present for those who don't. I agree we should push for proportional representation, though. As was John Herron's (prominent PC who rep'd my riding) push. Uhhhhh....... Bell and Rogers withdrew their caps???? What? Are you confused? Bell only withdrew UBB on wholesale services..... because of a huge backlash from Canadian citizens. Now they are trying a new strat called AVP "Aggregated Volume Pricing", which means UBB charged to your wholesale DSL company ( Primus, Teksavvy, ect... ). Rogers and Bell still have ridiculous usage caps, and they will only lower them. You do know it is all about protecting there TV businesses right? | ||
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Achilles
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On May 03 2011 23:20 RajaF wrote: Bell and Rogers withdrew their caps on a temporary basis, until the CRTC "discusses" a better way to screw consumers. Educate yourself before speaking. Harper and the cons are pro metered billing, they are the only party who did not say what the plan is going forward. So you mean to tell me that you believe the US prison system is working properly? You mean to say that overcrowding with minimal sentences is helpful in the "rehabilitation program"? And three makes me lol. If there is a two tiered system (which Harper and the cons are all for), with the public system barely having enough money to survive (because you know, corporate tax cuts need to be funded somehow) and public system doctors getting paid shit, who do you think doctors will want to work for? What it means is that the rich will get health care and the poor will get the shaft. They already get paid shit because what we have is a public system in place. What are you missing here? Layton (NDP), Danny Williams (PC-Lib), Paul Martin (Lib) etc. all opted for private healthcare for themselves despite shilling public healthcare to the public HMMM WONDER WHY. I have no clue what the US system is (and I doubt you do either tbh) but I know that if you don't have room to put the criminals, the new ones either: can't be "rehabilitated" or the old ones must be released (thus not rehabilitated) to make room for the new ones. I don't give a fuck if they withdrew their caps on a temporary basis, it's still because of how badly they got torn apart for the sheer thought of it. Can't see that changing. | ||
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Prime Minister Harper and Industry Minister Tony Clement had already settled on overturning the CRTC's new rule. The regulator would have a chance to do so voluntarily but would be forced to make the change if it disagreed | ||
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On May 03 2011 23:31 Achilles wrote: I have no clue what the US system is (and I doubt you do either tbh) but I know that if you don't have room to put the criminals, the new ones either: can't be "rehabilitated" or the old ones must be released (thus not rehabilitated) to make room for the new ones. Well I guess you have a point, as long as the government keeps piling on mandatory minimum sentences for offences (which takes away the discretion of the courts and puts immense stress on the prison system because of your aforementioned "new criminals" staying in prison longer than the "old ones"). | ||
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Tleaf
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http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/results.html I didn't even know we had a communist party or a rhino party.. lol... | ||
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Achilles
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On May 03 2011 23:36 gold_ wrote: OK well you do know Bell and Rogers, right now, still have usage caps at this very moment? If you use Rogers and Bell, you have a cap. I can't be anymore blunt with my explanation. Do you understand this? You realize that the lowering it has already been voted against by Harper and his cabinet? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/932571--ottawa-threatens-to-reverse-crtc-decision-on-internet-billing As a reminder, you can't make up hypothetical situations where the PCs play the bad guys just because you don't like them. | ||
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RajaF
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On May 03 2011 23:33 Achilles wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/02/03/canadian.government.seen.reversing.crtc.rule/ I don't have the time to educate you more than this, but if you're smart you can find the rest on your own. Note the date on that article. It's less than two weeks ago, and it's not the only one of it's kind. http://openmedia.ca/news/shaw-revive-metered-internet Conference Call Reveals Executives Manipulating Customer Comments in Order to Justify Usage-Based Internet Fees April 24, 2011 – A conference call between Shaw executives and shareholders reveals that the telecom giant has made plans to go ahead with the wildly unpopular metered Internet pricing scheme (usage-based billing). Earlier this year, Shaw pulled back on the implementation of Internet metering after widespread public outcry over the move led nearly half a million Canadians to sign the Stop the Meter petition at http://stopthemeter.ca. In an attempt to restore their tarnished public image during the peak of the UBB fiasco, Shaw held consultations with customers after they were caught lowering usage caps and raising prices. Many people from the pro-Internet community, including OpenMedia.ca staff, attended Shaw’s consultations and reported that there was near unanimous condemnation of adding new usage fees to Internet bills. In the recent conference call, the telecom giant’s CEO Bradley S. Shaw flaunted Shaw’s dominance over Western Canada’s Internet service market as he told shareholders there was a ways to go before their customers would revolt against higher prices. “We believe that we still have that [UBB] pricing power,” Shaw stated. Through skewed language, the executives also misrepresented the views of their customers and argued that consumers were, in the end, happy with usage-based billing. | ||
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Achilles
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On May 03 2011 23:40 RajaF wrote: "Conference Call Reveals Executives Manipulating Customer Comments in Order to Justify Usage-Based Internet Fees April 24, 2011 – A conference call between Shaw executives and shareholders reveals that the telecom giant has made plans to go ahead with the wildly unpopular metered Internet pricing scheme (usage-based billing). Earlier this year, Shaw pulled back on the implementation of Internet metering after widespread public outcry over the move led nearly half a million Canadians to sign the Stop the Meter petition at http://stopthemeter.ca. In an attempt to restore their tarnished public image during the peak of the UBB fiasco, Shaw held consultations with customers after they were caught lowering usage caps and raising prices. Many people from the pro-Internet community, including OpenMedia.ca staff, attended Shaw’s consultations and reported that there was near unanimous condemnation of adding new usage fees to Internet bills. In the recent conference call, the telecom giant’s CEO Bradley S. Shaw flaunted Shaw’s dominance over Western Canada’s Internet service market as he told shareholders there was a ways to go before their customers would revolt against higher prices. “We believe that we still have that [UBB] pricing power,” Shaw stated. Through skewed language, the executives also misrepresented the views of their customers and argued that consumers were, in the end, happy with usage-based billing." I don't have the time to educate you on politics, but here's my point. The bolded part is where Shaw's business handlings under the current contracts we signed are linked to the Conservative government. | ||
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On May 03 2011 23:36 gold_ wrote: OK well you do know Bell and Rogers, right now, still have usage caps at this very moment? If you use Rogers and Bell, you have a cap. I can't be anymore blunt with my explanation. Do you understand this? It was never a battle over their personal cap, what they do with their own service is up to them. It was a battle over their right to implement that cap on 3rd party ISPs and in doing so dictate the price that they set. That did get denied at least temporarily | ||
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57 Corvette
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On May 03 2011 23:35 Tleaf wrote: Did anyone take a good look at some of the party names? http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/results.html I didn't even know we had a communist party or a rhino party.. lol... Yeah, the Rhino party is basically anarchists. They want to remove the law of gravity and such. Well, I hope the Conservatives do a good job in the next 4 years. If they screw up, at least I can say "I voted NDP, not conservative" | ||
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Flaccid
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On May 03 2011 23:31 Achilles wrote: I have no clue what the US system is (and I doubt you do either tbh) but I know that if you don't have room to put the criminals, the new ones either: can't be "rehabilitated" or the old ones must be released (thus not rehabilitated) to make room for the new ones. Believe it or not, most prisons aren't filled with ax-murderers, armed burglars and terrorists - they're taxed with a continuous stream of pot smokers, fraudsters and guys who screw up their taxes. We have to ask ourselves how society benefits from incarcerating people who are not a literal danger to society when alternate means of restitution can be explored which don't drain our federal bank account and ruin people's lives for small mistakes. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Stephen Harper. Though when it comes to economic matters, I feel I can at least trust him to do something reasonable. It's his 19th century approach to crime and punishment that is my number one concern with him. Followed closely by his social narrow-mindedness which isn't representative of the vast majority of Canadian ideals. | ||
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Achilles
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On May 03 2011 23:44 Flaccid wrote: Believe it or not, most prisons aren't filled with ax-murderers, armed burglars and terrorists - they're taxed with a continuous stream of pot smokers, fraudsters and guys who screw up their taxes. We have to ask ourselves how society benefits from incarcerating people who are not a literal danger to society when alternate means of restitution can be explored which don't drain our federal bank account and ruin people's lives for small mistakes. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Stephen Harper. Though when it comes to economic matters, I feel I can at least trust him to do something reasonable. It's his 19th century approach to crime and punishment that is my number one concern with him. Followed closely by his social narrow-mindedness which isn't representative of the vast majority of Canadian ideals. I totally agree that not all are murderers and terrorists. I'm not anti-drugs either, but who's in prison and why are issues for another debate. Crime and punishment isn't my favourite Harper policy in the least. Edit: also, the Rhino party is amazing. "Declared war on Belgium unless a box of mussels and Belgian beer was delivered to their HQ: which WAS done by the Belgian Embassy" | ||
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On May 03 2011 23:38 Achilles wrote: You realize that the lowering it has already been voted against by Harper and his cabinet? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/932571--ottawa-threatens-to-reverse-crtc-decision-on-internet-billing As a reminder, you can't make up hypothetical situations where the PCs play the bad guys just because you don't like them. "Published On Thu Feb 03 2011" OK so you clearly haven't followed the whole UBB/AVP thing. If you use Bell and Rogers, your caps are still sucky low, not changing. This whole UBB/AVP issue was clearly only for Bells GAS "Gateway Access Service" which smaller companies who haven't been around for years that don't own the last mile "the line from your house to the central office". It was only affecting companies that rent our access for the line to your house, that use the phone line. It isn't over either my friend! Bell is still at it! All tony Clement said was the way UBB was at that time, he would overturn it. Bell changed it, and Tony Clement hasn't stated yet that he would overturn the new tariff. | ||
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Kagin
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People need to look past the stupid campaign commercials and look at the track record of the parties. Believing the promises of a politician running for office is like believing a car salesman.......its something you don't do. Everyone jumped on the Layton bandwagon of helping families without thinking of the implications for big business which is the heart of the economy. I voted conservative and while I am not a big fanboy of them, they are the lesser of two evils in my opinion. | ||
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Achilles
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When Tim Horton's raises the price of a cup of coffee (fucking bastards!) I don't complain about the agricultural or trade ministers On May 03 2011 23:55 Kagin wrote: Im not sure where all the absolute faith in the NDP came from. The NDP has very rarely been in the position of power and when they were they made terrible decisions that cost taxpayers a lot of money (BC fast ferries). People need to look past the stupid campaign commercials and look at the track record of the parties. Believing the promises of a politician running for office is like believing a car salesman.......its something you don't do. Everyone jumped on the Layton bandwagon of helping families without thinking of the implications for big business which is the heart of the economy. I voted conservative and while I am not a big fanboy of them, they are the lesser of two evils in my opinion. Their gains in Quebec are from protest votes. There will be a lot of opportunistic jostling there in the future I'm sure | ||
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Flaccid
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On May 03 2011 23:47 Achilles wrote: I totally agree that not all are murderers and terrorists. I'm not anti-drugs either, but who's in prison and why are issues for another debate. Crime and punishment isn't my favourite Harper policy in the least. We can agree on the latter then =) Still, I feel that 'who's in prison and why' are central issues for the debate we are having right now as we just gave a guy who is going to put more people in prison and make it harder for criminals to turn their lives around a majority government. In the last day of the summer session in 2010, Harper tried to push through a bad law which dealt with criminal pardons. It treated all criminals the same - whether killers or folks who deposit a bad cheque. They would all, under the new law, find it much more difficult to turn their lives around and move beyond the mistakes of their past. Tough on second-chances masquerading as tough-on-crime. The reason he waited until the last day was that he could then bypass the normal Parliamentary process of reading, debating, and re-writing - forcing the bill through the House without the normal checks of our democracy. It was only stopped (through a re-write which addressed that not all criminals should be painted with the same brush) by the NDP, after which it was passed. It was scare tactics in the name of Karla Homolka which would have hurt a lot of ordinary Canadians who have made ignorant mistakes in the past and are trying to move on. This is just the shit he does. | ||
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