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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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Nidoa
Canada239 Posts
On May 04 2011 09:23 Norwenna wrote: What the hell are you saying ? I say i can't understand why you vote for Harper when hes bashing the whole rests of the parties on stuff like the "oh my god theyre all gonna coalition against me" or attacking Igniatieff personally and you say people like me are why attack ads are so popular ? Can you make less sense please ? I find attack adds the most disrespectful thing ever in a campaign. And all the bashing publicity I've seen was all from conservatives. Other parties publicity actually explained their plan. And as for people not voting for the bloc, i think because Everyone in Quebec is sick of the conservatives. I think most of the people thought that by putting their votes somewhere else than the bloc, conservatives could be beaten. And i actually can't believe they have the majority... Dude maybe calm down? You're attacking all the rest of Canada on this, but like that other guy said (and i believe he's right), only in the prairies they've got over 50%. Also, what he's saying (i think) is that basing your opinion on all the bad stuff being talked about in the media is why attack ads are working. Because you've got your attention on them. Also, how they can vote for Harper is a question of perspective. Every party is gonna have it's, um, darker side. Easy to call out lotsa blames on conservatives, especially since the other parties havent been elected for a while, but they all have their quirks. | ||
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
On May 04 2011 09:03 Nidoa wrote: Cuz you know, you generalize quebeckers as generalizers. Doing what they're doing. I was not. I said a lot of québecois, not all québecois. My wife and I have both been hearing it all day so I feel quite justified in saying a lot  | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 04 2011 06:21 Tezzick wrote: Well, that may be terrible for some, but for the majority of Canadians, I think science isn't too far up the list. Priorities will be priorities. Also I think you missed the middle part of my post. It doesn't matter whether science is a priority for the average person, science, i.e. evidence and rationality needs to inform government policy or you end up with a severely unstable society, this is true regardless of anything else-- if you have a government that scorns rationality and academic inquiry, its not good for anyone. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
-The Conservatives’ 5.8-million vote tally Monday was the third-highest raw total for any party in any general election in Canadian history. It falls short of the 6.3-million-vote haul that led the Mulroney Conservatives to their 1984 landslide, but ahead of the 5.6-million the Chrétien Liberals garnered in the pivotal contest of 1993. -On Monday night, the Tories received almost as many votes in Ontario (2,455,900) as the Liberals did in the entire country (2,783,175). -The Liberal Party only held or lost seats; it did not take a single constituency away from its competitors. -The Bloc Québécois’ vote total withered from about 1.38-million to 890,000, a drop of 35.5%. Adam McDowell, National Post | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On May 05 2011 00:48 Achilles wrote: Some neat statistics have come out of all of this. -The Conservatives’ 5.8-million vote tally Monday was the third-highest raw total for any party in any general election in Canadian history. It falls short of the 6.3-million-vote haul that led the Mulroney Conservatives to their 1984 landslide, but ahead of the 5.6-million the Chrétien Liberals garnered in the pivotal contest of 1993. -On Monday night, the Tories received almost as many votes in Ontario (2,455,900) as the Liberals did in the entire country (2,783,175). -The Liberal Party only held or lost seats; it did not take a single constituency away from its competitors. -The Bloc Québécois’ vote total withered from about 1.38-million to 890,000, a drop of 35.5%. Adam McDowell, National Post And we all know how the mulroney government did in their 4 years of power :p All I know is that if the conservatives do a good job great and if they dont they wont have another majority government four years from now. While I dont agree with the conservative platform lets just hope they accomplish good things for Canada and not anything that would make us left wing people cry or move away :p | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
On May 05 2011 01:07 ZeromuS wrote: And we all know how the mulroney government did in their 4 years of power :p All I know is that if the conservatives do a good job great and if they dont they wont have another majority government four years from now. While I dont agree with the conservative platform lets just hope they accomplish good things for Canada and not anything that would make us left wing people cry or move away :p Not trying to draw comparisons to Mulroney that's for sure. Note: Harper's "side" (of the Conservative party) was the one that split off from Mulroney's. Not like he was particularily impressed with his work either. Still startling about the Ontario vote count ~= liberal nationwide | ||
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Nidoa
Canada239 Posts
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QQkumber
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TL;DR version: The NDP probably won't get much stronger than this, let alone form a majority government in the foreseeable future. Liberals should be able to rebound from this defeat, whether it's within the next 10 years or has to take a little longer. + Show Spoiler + If you look closely at the results, all that really happened was that the Bloc's seats went to the NDP, while the Liberals' seats in the GTA went to the Conservatives. Although the NDP scored a very large victory in Quebec (where the electorate is left leaning) their problems in English Canada persisted. The NDP hasn't been able to pick up many seats in English Canada for two main reasons: a) the anglophone provinces tend to be more politically conservative than Quebec, and b) the two largest anglophone provinces, British Columbia and Ontario, both had horrible experiences with NDP provincial governments, which has made their voters extremelly suspicious of the federal NDP. Neither of these factors is likely to change anytime soon, which is why I highly doubt that the NDP will ever be able to do better than it did in this past election. This is only compounded by the fact that the NDP is in for world's of trouble with its novice crop of Quebec MPs, many of whom never expected to be elected and will probably be horrible at the job (as a columnist for the national post noted today, do you really think a college student or communist revolutionary is going to want to spend their days listening to their consituents bitching about delayed passports or late pension checks?). What this means is that I don't think we need to worry about the NDP one day forming a majority government - which is good news. So if the NDP can't become serious contenders for government, what does this mean for the Liberals? My prediction is that the Liberals will be back, and sooner than you think. If the Conservatives manage to govern humbly and scandal-free, then the pundits may be right that the Liberals are destined for a decade in the wilderness. However, if the Conservatives botch their majority government (which is a possibility), all of those swing voters in Ontario and British Columbia will go straight back to the Liberals. If Quebec continues to vote in protest for parties like the NDP and Bloc, this might only result in more unstable minority governments. However, to assume that the Liberals are doomed to run in third for the next decade is to miss some of the underlying dynamics of the Candian political landscape. I'm no big fan of the Liberal Party of Canada, but I think that one of the great things about Canada is that regardless of whether the government is Liberal or Conservative, you know that the country isn't going to shit (the same could not be said about an NDP government or weak Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government). Most Canadians (especially those outside of Quebec) aren't so left-wing that they will vote for reckless tax and spend policies, so while it may be a while before the Liberals return to the status of "natural governing party", it is a good bet that they will show up for the next election in 2015. What does this mean for Harper? If the Liberals aren't really down and out, all he can do is be a damn good Prime Minister, which I believe he is certainly capable of. Virtually every issue that I (or most Canadians) have had with him over the past 5 years has been the result of his motivation to hold onto power (which, to his credit is understandable). Now that he doesn't need to worry about being defeated, I sincerely hope that he follows through with the Conservative platform of cutting taxes, trimming welfare state fat, and standing up for Canadian values abroad. | ||
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Nidoa
Canada239 Posts
On May 06 2011 02:05 QQkumber wrote: I think that what happened earlier this week was the best possible outcome. Canadians voted for a stable majority government focused on growing the economy and keeping taxes low, and Quebec tossed out the separatists (for now). The rise of the NDP and the collapse of the Liberals was truly astonishing, however I don't believe this is a permanent realignment in Canadian politics. Here's why: TL;DR version: The NDP probably won't get much stronger than this, let alone form a majority government in the foreseeable future. Liberals should be able to rebound from this defeat, whether it's within the next 10 years or has to take a little longer. + Show Spoiler + If you look closely at the results, all that really happened was that the Bloc's seats went to the NDP, while the Liberals' seats in the GTA went to the Conservatives. Although the NDP scored a very large victory in Quebec (where the electorate is left leaning) their problems in English Canada persisted. The NDP hasn't been able to pick up many seats in English Canada for two main reasons: a) the anglophone provinces tend to be more politically conservative than Quebec, and b) the two largest anglophone provinces, British Columbia and Ontario, both had horrible experiences with NDP provincial governments, which has made their voters extremelly suspicious of the federal NDP. Neither of these factors is likely to change anytime soon, which is why I highly doubt that the NDP will ever be able to do better than it did in this past election. This is only compounded by the fact that the NDP is in for world's of trouble with its novice crop of Quebec MPs, many of whom never expected to be elected and will probably be horrible at the job (as a columnist for the national post noted today, do you really think a college student or communist revolutionary is going to want to spend their days listening to their consituents bitching about delayed passports or late pension checks?). What this means is that I don't think we need to worry about the NDP one day forming a majority government - which is good news. So if the NDP can't become serious contenders for government, what does this mean for the Liberals? My prediction is that the Liberals will be back, and sooner than you think. If the Conservatives manage to govern humbly and scandal-free, then the pundits may be right that the Liberals are destined for a decade in the wilderness. However, if the Conservatives botch their majority government (which is a possibility), all of those swing voters in Ontario and British Columbia will go straight back to the Liberals. If Quebec continues to vote in protest for parties like the NDP and Bloc, this might only result in more unstable minority governments. However, to assume that the Liberals are doomed to run in third for the next decade is to miss some of the underlying dynamics of the Candian political landscape. I'm no big fan of the Liberal Party of Canada, but I think that one of the great things about Canada is that regardless of whether the government is Liberal or Conservative, you know that the country isn't going to shit (the same could not be said about an NDP government or weak Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government). Most Canadians (especially those outside of Quebec) aren't so left-wing that they will vote for reckless tax and spend policies, so while it may be a while before the Liberals return to the status of "natural governing party", it is a good bet that they will show up for the next election in 2015. What does this mean for Harper? If the Liberals aren't really down and out, all he can do is be a damn good Prime Minister, which I believe he is certainly capable of. Virtually every issue that I (or most Canadians) have had with him over the past 5 years has been the result of his motivation to hold onto power (which, to his credit is understandable). Now that he doesn't need to worry about being defeated, I sincerely hope that he follows through with the Conservative platform of cutting taxes, trimming welfare state fat, and standing up for Canadian values abroad. To add to this excellent post, regarding the question wether or not Quebec keeps voting in protest, this mostly hinges on the liberals. If the NDP is as disastrous as you make it out to be (which i have a feeling is very much plausible) then we probably won't vote for them again. Conservatives are also mostly hopeless here. So the votes are gonna be up between a return of the Bloc or of the liberals, with the Bloc having it easier, since they don't have a scandal to really work around of. If they can work around it though, the liberals may have a way back into things. Also, i think for now is judicious with the independance issue. It's kind of strange if you think about it, but this election has done as much for independance as it has done against it. We voted against it, but the result is a majority of the least popular party around here. It kind of incites the sentiment of difference from the rest. | ||
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Levythenobz
Canada42 Posts
On May 06 2011 03:00 Nidoa wrote: To add to this excellent post, regarding the question wether or not Quebec keeps voting in protest, this mostly hinges on the liberals. If the NDP is as disastrous as you make it out to be (which i have a feeling is very much plausible) then we probably won't vote for them again. Conservatives are also mostly hopeless here. So the votes are gonna be up between a return of the Bloc or of the liberals, with the Bloc having it easier, since they don't have a scandal to really work around of. If they can work around it though, the liberals may have a way back into things. Also, i think for now is judicious with the independance issue. It's kind of strange if you think about it, but this election has done as much for independance as it has done against it. We voted against it, but the result is a majority of the least popular party around here. It kind of incites the sentiment of difference from the rest. We didn't really vote against the independance, we simply voted for change. People were tired of the bloc and wanted to try something new. IMHO this will even help the separatist movement since Harper can do whatever he pleases now (and 83% quebecers hate him with a pation) and the NDP has lots people with little experience. If the NDP fails to represents quebec well (which he can't really help seeing Harper with a majority) while not forgetting Canada, you can bet the % of people that wants to separate will only get higher and higher with his year Harper fucks the country. The bloc was a insurance policy, with it gone, we'll really see how a federalist gouvernment can represent us and even thou I voted NDP I have little faith in them really defending our diffrent point of vues on a lot of issues (they are obviously going to chose canada before quebec even if 55-60% of their MP are from quebec). | ||
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Nidoa
Canada239 Posts
On May 06 2011 07:00 Levythenobz wrote: We didn't really vote against the independance, we simply voted for change. People were tired of the bloc and wanted to try something new. IMHO this will even help the separatist movement since Harper can do whatever he pleases now (and 83% quebecers hate him with a pation) and the NDP has lots people with little experience. If the NDP fails to represents quebec well (which he can't really help seeing Harper with a majority) while not forgetting Canada, you can bet the % of people that wants to separate will only get higher and higher with his year Harper fucks the country. The bloc was a insurance policy, with it gone, we'll really see how a federalist gouvernment can represent us and even thou I voted NDP I have little faith in them really defending our diffrent point of vues on a lot of issues (they are obviously going to chose canada before quebec even if 55-60% of their MP are from quebec). We may not have voted against independance itself, but we voted against it's self-avowed representative. No one was thinking independance if he was voting NPD, unless he was stupid. Also, the Bloc would have failed as an insurance policy, regardless of what happened, since you could shift the NPD seats to the Bloc and Harper would still have his majority, with the one difference that the Bloc would actually be the official opposition (if you gave it 50 NPD seats).Now that would be hilarious. Also, unless you truly are independantist, choosing Canada before Quebec is actually what should normally happen, even though being constantly fair with every province with everything that's done is utopian at best. | ||
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Levythenobz
Canada42 Posts
On May 06 2011 09:04 Nidoa wrote: We may not have voted against independance itself, but we voted against it's self-avowed representative. No one was thinking independance if he was voting NPD, unless he was stupid. Also, the Bloc would have failed as an insurance policy, regardless of what happened, since you could shift the NPD seats to the Bloc and Harper would still have his majority, with the one difference that the Bloc would actually be the official opposition (if you gave it 50 NPD seats).Now that would be hilarious. Also, unless you truly are independantist, choosing Canada before Quebec is actually what should normally happen, even though being constantly fair with every province with everything that's done is utopian at best. People simply realized that the real vote will be at quebec, not at ottawa and since the NDP is close (in term of socialism) to what many in quebec like 42% gave 'em their chance to reprensent us. Now obviously no one though independance by voting NDP since like i said the real vote will be in quebec not in canada. Yeah they would have failed (as insurance policy) but I and many though we were gonna get a minority tori gouvernment and by electing a lot of NDP we could've gotten a NDP gouvernement (either by coliation with the libs or simply a trust vote from the majority of the parlement). The part about chosing canada before quebec I mean it in the sense that we have very diverging views in important subjects compared to the ROC and I think the separatist flame will be renewed even stronger than before when people realize that a federalist gouvernment will always chose canada before quebec (as it should like you said). We tried the liberal and got dissapointed, we tried the tories and got dissapointed and started electing the BQ now we give our chance to the NDP and we will again be dissapointed (especially against a majority gouvernment). And in the off chance that people did vote *against* independance by voting NDP, I am fairly confident they have or will change their mind seeing as 83% of us decided against a Tori gouvernment and that without quebec Harper would still have his majority. Iirc over 50% of quebec feared a Harper majority. While 17% of us (quebec) voted for harper, in the roc it's above 47% (iirc). The difference in culture and mentality will inevitably lead our 2 different *nations* to go their separate way and IMO for the benifit of them both. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
Just when the party gained its legitimacy, this happens. Fuck. | ||
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