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Nidoa
Canada239 Posts
On May 04 2011 05:35 Zerokaiser wrote: Lol, posts like this make me a giddy unicorn knowing that not even Quebec voted for the Bloc Quebecois. Pretty sure he's got a point though, as far as Quebec being generally quite displeased with the result. I mean, we elected over half the official opposition. Kinda shows a strong opposition to what's in place. | ||
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Inn0cu0s
Canada21 Posts
On May 04 2011 05:02 PWN3R3D wrote: I dislike his "party", but he's a straight-talking politician and I appreciate that. It's a tragedy that he isn't in another party.I really hope Gilles Duceppe goes provincial after this. Make the PQ win the next provincial elections and separate from canada so we dont have to deal with this bullshit anymore.... | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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gold_
Canada312 Posts
On May 04 2011 05:48 Nidoa wrote: Pretty sure he's got a point though, as far as Quebec being generally quite displeased with the result. I mean, we elected over half the official opposition. Kinda shows a strong opposition to what's in place. I am still curious how the entire province of Quebec banded together and switched from Bloc to NDP? I mean that's pretty amazing considering how much support was for the Bloc before now. What changed? Did the Bloc just not campaign? | ||
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Back
Canada505 Posts
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Nidoa
Canada239 Posts
On May 04 2011 05:56 gold_ wrote: I am still curious how the entire province of Quebec banded together and switched from Bloc to NDP? I mean that's pretty amazing considering how much support was for the Bloc before now. What changed? Did the Bloc just not campaign? i dunno not like its arranged, but i think it has to do with NPD going for the image of an alternative to the "old parties", moreover one that's more likely than the Bloc to be able to do anything. We did something similar two provincial elections back, with this kinda backwater party suddenly becoming the official opposition just because a lot of people got tired with the two normal parties. That little party showed lots of incompetence though, hopefully that's not the case with NPD. Anyways, i figure the general feeling around was to want change, and NPD seemed the better choice for that. | ||
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Tezzick
Canada187 Posts
On May 04 2011 04:15 Body_Shield wrote: Why the Harper Majority is a Step Back for Science - Let us Count the ways See spoiler for excerpts from the introduction and conclusion. + Show Spoiler + As for coming up with a reason, it’s actually fairly straightforward. Here, we’ve seen repeated examples that would demonstrate a clear lack of understanding science culture, as well as actions that often undermine the very notion of scientific literacy. Sometimes, you get the sense that science just isn’t important to this government, and on occasion it even feels downright inconsequential. ... It’s important to note that science culture isn’t the only thing that drives a civil society. However, as a conduit for reasoned discourse and relevant information that affects local and global concerns, it’s obvious that science must not be taken for granted. Based on last night’s election results, we have every reason to worry about the Conservative majority, as the Harper Government has repeatedly demonstrated past activities that not only take science for granted, but treat it with a form of contempt. The Harper government has consistently ignored whatever sound utility the scientific endeavor can provide, and by doing so, has put the future of Canadian science at risk, as well as the elements of society that would have otherwise benefited from it. In the end, this means that we must watch the actions of this Harper Government more closely; and to be vocal, to be active, and to do our best to hold them to account for their actions. Democracy has given Harper a mandate to govern as he sees fit, and for this there should be an element of respect as well as an element of opportunity. However, Harper should not forget that Canadian democracy is ultimately driven by the people of Canada. For that reason, I will be watching you closely. Scientists will be watching you closely. Canadians will be watching you closely. Kind of a neat read. That was a funny read. Is it actually serious? The scientific mandate would not allow for a fair, democratic leadership. Has to be a joke... | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 04 2011 06:05 Tezzick wrote: That was a funny read. Is it actually serious? The scientific mandate would not allow for a fair, democratic leadership. Has to be a joke... Its not a joke, its a slow motion train wreck. They're as bad as the Bush Admin regarding science. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
Statements like "If you are a real quebeker, you must vote for the Bloc" didn't help either. Except for Montreal, wich usually vote Liberal, the rest of the province was dominated by the BQ, NPD presented themself as the alternative and Jack Layton was charismatic, so the population bought it. People didn't vote for their deputee, they voted for Jack. I mean, there is one NPD deputee that was elected that currently lives in the US. Same thing happend 2 elections ago in the provincial when the ADQ skyrocketed from a small party to the Official Opposition because people liked Mario Dumont, who was the leader at that time. Next elections, ADQ elected 6 deputees and Dumont retired. Even thought it looks like people considered Duceppe as a good politician outside of Quebec, inside a lot of people are considering him as an arrogant. With Duceppe gone, another leader will emerge and I think he won't have much trouble getting back the BQ to his original state. | ||
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
Just like most of Eastern Canada, Québecois hate Harper so they don't want to vote Conservative. However, the difference with Québec is that they also passionately hate the Liberals. In the Eastern Provinces, the Liberal loyalty splits the centre/left vote. In Quebec, that vote used to all go to the BQ. This year, however, the BQ had a perfect sense of anti-timing and started talking about seperation again right before the election. It scared people off and they voted for the only party they could: the NDP. Too bad the liberal supporters in the Eastern provinces didn't catch wind of this on time to jump on the bandwagon instead of staying on the sinking ship with their captain. TOOOT TOOOT! Québec isn't as politically different from the rest of Eastern Canada as it would like to believe. Culturally, maybe, but every province has it's unique culture. And yeah I fully expect Duceppe and other BQ big guns to start working for the PQ. It's a GREAT time for them to do so considering how unpopular Charest is right now. Don't hold your breath on seperation though. That one is gonna take a while. | ||
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Tezzick
Canada187 Posts
On May 04 2011 06:13 caradoc wrote: Its not a joke, its a slow motion train wreck. They're as bad as the Bush Admin regarding science. Well, that may be terrible for some, but for the majority of Canadians, I think science isn't too far up the list. Priorities will be priorities. Also I think you missed the middle part of my post. | ||
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
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mister.bubbles
Canada171 Posts
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Nidoa
Canada239 Posts
On May 04 2011 06:19 REM.ca wrote: The NPD upsurge in Québec is pretty simple, actually. Just like most of Eastern Canada, Québecois hate Harper so they don't want to vote Conservative. However, the difference with Québec is that they also passionately hate the Liberals. In the Eastern Provinces, the Liberal loyalty splits the centre/left vote. In Quebec, that vote used to all go to the BQ. This year, however, the BQ had a perfect sense of anti-timing and started talking about seperation again right before the election. It scared people off and they voted for the only party they could: the NDP. Too bad the liberal supporters in the Eastern provinces didn't catch wind of this on time to jump on the bandwagon instead of staying on the sinking ship with their captain. TOOOT TOOOT! Québec isn't as politically different from the rest of Eastern Canada as it would like to believe. Culturally, maybe, but every province has it's unique culture. And yeah I fully expect Duceppe and other BQ big guns to start working for the PQ. It's a GREAT time for them to do so considering how unpopular Charest is right now. Don't hold your breath on seperation though. That one is gonna take a while. i cannot for the life of me retrieve the damned map that showed canada with every region the color of the winner of the election there, but as i recall it of the provinces east of Quebec, NB was massively conservative, the rest kinda split between conservative and other, except for Newfoundland who was like all liberal, except labrador. Anyways, just to say, "the eastern provinces" are not as anti-conservators as you seem to believe. Also, i think (but still from memory) that the liberals got more seats in Quebec than the Bloc did, although of course not by much if that's really the case. Just to say, you describe things in way too much of a clear cut manner. | ||
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
Canadian politics, man. Seat results =/= vote results. Ex: NB - 8/10 seats conservative ... with 43% of the votes. NS - 37% of the votes PEI - 41% of the votes NFL - 28% of the votes (for rest of Canada: the prairies are actually the only 3 provinces where the Tories got more than 50% of the votes...maybe they should seperate) So yes it's a pretty popular thing I'm hearing today in Québec that they're suuuuuch a different province that is clearly the only one that is at the political left. But it's a naive opinion. I can't say I'm suprised, those same people generaly also think that there are no french people outside of Québec. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On May 04 2011 06:48 REM.ca wrote: Yup, the eastern provinces got a lot of Conservative seats.... and that is because the left-centre vote is divided...as I explained in my post. Canadian politics, man. Seat results =/= vote results. Ex: NB - 8/10 seats conservative ... with 43% of the votes. NS - 37% of the votes PEI - 41% of the votes NFL - 28% of the votes (for rest of Canada: the prairies are actually the only 3 provinces where the Tories got more than 50% of the votes...maybe they should seperate) So yes it's a pretty popular thing I'm hearing today in Québec that they're suuuuuch a different province that is clearly the only one that is at the political left. But it's a naive opinion. I can't say I'm suprised, those same people generaly also think that there are no french people outside of Québec. I know you're not serious but how does being the only ones to have a majority Conservative vote, at all suggest separatism would be a good idea? It seems the opposite would be true considering we have a Conservative majority. | ||
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
It was a satire on the Québecois logic for seperatism following yesterday's perculiar results. A lot of people in Québec are getting boners today on how differently their seat colors look compared to ROC. If "being politically different than the ROC" is an argument for seperatism, than vote% would be an indicator that the Prairies need to gtfo since they're the ones that are so unique on that scale. It's a ridiculous argument. | ||
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Nidoa
Canada239 Posts
Seriously, i bet every province feels it's different on some level than the other provinces, Quebec just has it easier ; they just point out they're french (which yeah, is not entirely true, 'specially in Montreal, and yeah there's french elsewhere, i'm aware of that too). And as such they're louder about it, too. Have to understand though, it's kind of in it's history to be complaining and fighting with the central power, ever since the conquest by Britain. | ||
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Norwenna
Canada3 Posts
On May 03 2011 22:31 Sha[DoW] wrote: People like you are why attack ads are so popular in the political game. What the hell are you saying ? I say i can't understand why you vote for Harper when hes bashing the whole rests of the parties on stuff like the "oh my god theyre all gonna coalition against me" or attacking Igniatieff personally and you say people like me are why attack ads are so popular ? Can you make less sense please ? I find attack adds the most disrespectful thing ever in a campaign. And all the bashing publicity I've seen was all from conservatives. Other parties publicity actually explained their plan. And as for people not voting for the bloc, i think because Everyone in Quebec is sick of the conservatives. I think most of the people thought that by putting their votes somewhere else than the bloc, conservatives could be beaten. And i actually can't believe they have the majority... | ||
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