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On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country...
Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being.
That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed.
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On October 10 2014 04:33 pls no ty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... bro, why dont you send your troops then. these kind of racists posts should not be allowed, this may allow other users to do the same.
bro, you don't seem to understand what racism is.
if this was on our border we wouldn't be sitting on our thumbs.
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On October 10 2014 04:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being. That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed.
I don't want to eject Turkey from NATO. They serve a purpose.
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On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being. That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed. I don't want to eject Turkey from NATO. They serve a purpose.
I agree. But there's a point at which an "ally" is no longer an ally. I don't think that Turkey is there yet. However, I think that it is a bigger problem than people would like to admit.
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Dissolve NATO. Problem solved. At the very least, remove Turkey. They don't follow the American imperialist model. I don't know why Erdogan wants to be our bitch anyways.
Get rekt, Islamic State. At least 220 dead just from Thursday morning airstrikes. They were apparently headed to reinforce Ramadi, where ISIS apparently still holds 15% of the city, probably with ISIS forces from Syria.
I wonder how many thousands they've lost since August.
Mosul (Iraq), Oct 9 (IANS/EFE) At least 220 militants of the Islamic State (IS) Sunni radical organisation were killed at dawn Thursday when their convoy was attacked by planes of the US-led international coalition in northern Iraq, the head of security in Nineveh province, Mohamed Ibrahim al-Bayati, told Spanish news agency Efe.
Al-Bayati said the convoy included more than 25 vehicles transporting fighters, weapons and military equipment, which had left the Rabia area west of Mosul, bordering Syria, bound for Ramadi, in the western province of Al Anbar, a jihadi stronghold.
He added that several IS leaders were among those killed in the airstrikes, in which dozens more were wounded.
The international coalition also launched airstrikes early Thursday on several IS headquarters in Mosul as it resumed its offensive after a brief lull during the Muslim festival of Eidh al Adha, killing dozens of militants, Nineveh Governor Atheel al-Nujaifi said.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/scores-of-is-militants-reported-killed-in-iraq-114100901093_1.html
Advances against ISIS within Fallujah, and an ISIS siege broken of 300 Spartans Iraqi soldiers:
Iraqi security forces have cleared more areas from Takfiri ISIL terrorists in the western province of al-Anbar.
Military authorities said the army launched a major operation in the district of Karma in the eastern city of Fallujah in Anbar province on Wednesday and flushed out the terrorists from three areas.
The army also managed to break a siege by the ISIL militants on hundreds of soldiers in eastern Ramadi, the capital of Anbar governorate, security sources added.
“Iraqi forces were able to liberate overnight as many as 300 troops who had been surrounded by ISIL terrorists in the city of Ramadi, located 110 kilometers West of Baghdad,” a military source said.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/09/381570/iraq-army-clears-more-areas-from-isil/
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On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being. That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed. I don't want to eject Turkey from NATO. They serve a purpose.
Letting fighters cross the borders to join IS while letting the Kurds die and re-radicalising their own country?
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On October 10 2014 04:45 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:On October 10 2014 04:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being. That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed. I don't want to eject Turkey from NATO. They serve a purpose. I agree. But there's a point at which an "ally" is no longer an ally. I don't think that Turkey is there yet. However, I think that it is a bigger problem than people would like to admit.
There also can be a point at which someone who previously looked like less and less of an ally turns out to be more of an ally than we previously thought. I'm unconvinced that Turkey won't "get with the program" so to speak, particularly when thinking on what might happen once Erdogan is gone.
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On October 10 2014 05:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:On October 10 2014 04:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being. That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed. I don't want to eject Turkey from NATO. They serve a purpose. I agree. But there's a point at which an "ally" is no longer an ally. I don't think that Turkey is there yet. However, I think that it is a bigger problem than people would like to admit. There also can be a point at which someone who previously looked like less and less of an ally turns out to be more of an ally than we previously thought. I'm unconvinced that Turkey won't "get with the program" so to speak, particularly when thinking on what might happen once Erdogan is gone.
Yes, Edrogan is the complicating factor in this analysis. He, clearly, is an asshole. Before him, Turkish-Western relations were pretty good. I wouldn't be surprised if conditions improve under Turkey's next leader.
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On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:33 pls no ty wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... bro, why dont you send your troops then. these kind of racists posts should not be allowed, this may allow other users to do the same. bro, you don't seem to understand what racism is. if this was on our border we wouldn't be sitting on our thumbs.
Turkey declared they will accept every role which coalition would give to itself and PKK rejected Turkish interfere, they said they will see it as occupation if Turkish troops comes to Kobane.. SO ?
I dont get it, why would not Germans send troops. They are getting along well with Kurdish people than us. There are many armies who can do the same job, yet, they dont have problems with PKK.
Why are you guys trying to put Turkish soldiers in a crossfire between PKK and IS. There is no guarantee that PKK will not start attacking to our troops. Why it must be Turkish soldiers i dont understand? Arent we protecting our Kurdish border? We do. Did not we shell Syria when they shelled Kurdish regions, we did. Did not we open our borders to citizens of Kobane? They are all here already, town is almost empty?
So bro, tell me a reason for a Nato country to support a terrorist organization who may attack later on Turkey, again.. Better stay "neutral".
"While the ISIS terror organization is causing turmoil in the Middle East, there has been ongoing PKK terror in my country for the last 32 years, and yet the world was never troubled by it. Why? Because this terror organization did not carry the name 'Islam.'" speech made by Erdogan.
Remove islam bullshit, is not he right? Would you be caring this much guys? I dont think you were caring for us that much, while we were still a "good" Nato ally.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/five-people-including-two-police-officers-killed-in-two-turkish-cities.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72767&NewsCatID=509
police chief Atalay Ürker on Oct. 9 while he was inspecting businesses damaged during the protests against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), in which more than 20 people died two days ago. Ürker escaped the attack heavily injured, while two of his aides were killed.
> beg for help
> assassinate a police officer.
Try to look from our perspective, at least one time bro.
On October 10 2014 05:15 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:On October 10 2014 04:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being. That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed. I don't want to eject Turkey from NATO. They serve a purpose. Letting fighters cross the borders to join IS while letting the Kurds die and re-radicalising their own country?
We are not being religious, trust me.
And Germany is one of the biggest countries in Europe who holds plenty of PKK HQ's.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/militarism-in-the-kurdish-diaspora-pkk-circumverts-ban-in-germany-a-514379.html
http://www.todayszaman.com/_turkey-puts-more-pressure-on-europe-to-curb-pkk-activities_261436.html
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255168-german-austrian-reports-expose-pkks-structure-activities-in-europe.html
But i still want to be an ally with Germany. Relations can grow, if you come to a point where you mutually criticize each other to have a strong relationship.
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On October 10 2014 05:18 pls no ty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:On October 10 2014 04:33 pls no ty wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... bro, why dont you send your troops then. these kind of racists posts should not be allowed, this may allow other users to do the same. bro, you don't seem to understand what racism is. if this was on our border we wouldn't be sitting on our thumbs. Turkey declared they will accept every role which coalition would give to itself and PKK rejected Turkish interfere, they said they will see it as occupation if Turkish troops comes to Kobane.. SO ? I dont get it, why would not Germans send troops. They are getting along well with Kurdish people than us. There are many armies who can do the same job, yet, they dont have problems with PKK. Why are you guys trying to put Turkish soldiers in a crossfire between PKK and IS. There is no guarantee that PKK will not start attacking to our troops. Why it must be Turkish soldiers i dont understand? Arent we protecting our Kurdish border? We do. Did not we shell Syria when they shelled Kurdish regions, we did. Did not we open our borders to citizens of Kobane? They are all here already, town is almost empty? So bro, tell me a reason for a Nato country to support a terrorist organization who may attack later on Turkey, again.. Better stay "neutral". Show nested quote +"While the ISIS terror organization is causing turmoil in the Middle East, there has been ongoing PKK terror in my country for the last 32 years, and yet the world was never troubled by it. Why? Because this terror organization did not carry the name 'Islam.'" speech made by Erdogan. Remove islam bullshit, is not he right? Would you be caring this much guys? I dont think you were caring for us that much, while we were still a "good" Nato ally. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/five-people-including-two-police-officers-killed-in-two-turkish-cities.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72767&NewsCatID=509Show nested quote +police chief Atalay Ürker on Oct. 9 while he was inspecting businesses damaged during the protests against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), in which more than 20 people died two days ago. Ürker escaped the attack heavily injured, while two of his aides were killed. > beg for help > assassinate a police officer. Try to look from our perspective, at least one time bro. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:15 Nyxisto wrote:On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:On October 10 2014 04:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being. That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed. I don't want to eject Turkey from NATO. They serve a purpose. Letting fighters cross the borders to join IS while letting the Kurds die and re-radicalising their own country? We are not being religious, trust me. And Germany is one of the biggest countries in Europe who holds plenty of PKK HQ's. http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/militarism-in-the-kurdish-diaspora-pkk-circumverts-ban-in-germany-a-514379.htmlhttp://www.todayszaman.com/_turkey-puts-more-pressure-on-europe-to-curb-pkk-activities_261436.htmlhttp://www.todayszaman.com/news-255168-german-austrian-reports-expose-pkks-structure-activities-in-europe.htmlBut i still want to be an ally with Germany. Relations can grow, if you come to a point where you mutually criticize each other to have a strong relationship.
You haven't tried looking from the Kurdish perspective once since you got here.
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Asking a blatant propagandist to present an even-handed perspective is expecting a little too much.
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On October 10 2014 05:18 pls no ty wrote:
We are not being religious, trust me.
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers..." Do you know which charming guy said that and enjoyed a ten month prison stay for it?
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On October 10 2014 05:30 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:18 pls no ty wrote:On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:On October 10 2014 04:33 pls no ty wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... bro, why dont you send your troops then. these kind of racists posts should not be allowed, this may allow other users to do the same. bro, you don't seem to understand what racism is. if this was on our border we wouldn't be sitting on our thumbs. Turkey declared they will accept every role which coalition would give to itself and PKK rejected Turkish interfere, they said they will see it as occupation if Turkish troops comes to Kobane.. SO ? I dont get it, why would not Germans send troops. They are getting along well with Kurdish people than us. There are many armies who can do the same job, yet, they dont have problems with PKK. Why are you guys trying to put Turkish soldiers in a crossfire between PKK and IS. There is no guarantee that PKK will not start attacking to our troops. Why it must be Turkish soldiers i dont understand? Arent we protecting our Kurdish border? We do. Did not we shell Syria when they shelled Kurdish regions, we did. Did not we open our borders to citizens of Kobane? They are all here already, town is almost empty? So bro, tell me a reason for a Nato country to support a terrorist organization who may attack later on Turkey, again.. Better stay "neutral". "While the ISIS terror organization is causing turmoil in the Middle East, there has been ongoing PKK terror in my country for the last 32 years, and yet the world was never troubled by it. Why? Because this terror organization did not carry the name 'Islam.'" speech made by Erdogan. Remove islam bullshit, is not he right? Would you be caring this much guys? I dont think you were caring for us that much, while we were still a "good" Nato ally. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/five-people-including-two-police-officers-killed-in-two-turkish-cities.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72767&NewsCatID=509police chief Atalay Ürker on Oct. 9 while he was inspecting businesses damaged during the protests against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), in which more than 20 people died two days ago. Ürker escaped the attack heavily injured, while two of his aides were killed. > beg for help > assassinate a police officer. Try to look from our perspective, at least one time bro. On October 10 2014 05:15 Nyxisto wrote:On October 10 2014 04:42 heliusx wrote:On October 10 2014 04:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... Eh, as distasteful as Turkey's conduct has been, it would probably be short-sighted to simply eject them from NATO. Turkey is strategically situated around Russia's nuts, so we best keep them around for the time being. That said, the growing riff between Turkey and the rest of the West is becoming painfully obvious. Turkey may simply have to go. If Kobane falls and there is a massacre, Turkey is going to be blamed. I don't want to eject Turkey from NATO. They serve a purpose. Letting fighters cross the borders to join IS while letting the Kurds die and re-radicalising their own country? We are not being religious, trust me. And Germany is one of the biggest countries in Europe who holds plenty of PKK HQ's. http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/militarism-in-the-kurdish-diaspora-pkk-circumverts-ban-in-germany-a-514379.htmlhttp://www.todayszaman.com/_turkey-puts-more-pressure-on-europe-to-curb-pkk-activities_261436.htmlhttp://www.todayszaman.com/news-255168-german-austrian-reports-expose-pkks-structure-activities-in-europe.htmlBut i still want to be an ally with Germany. Relations can grow, if you come to a point where you mutually criticize each other to have a strong relationship. You haven't tried looking from the Kurdish perspective once since you got here.
Turkey slaughtered over 3 million Christian innocence in WW1 and to this day denies it, what makes you think they will follow somebody else's perspective...
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BEIRUT: Hezbollah said Thursday that it rooted out Nusra Front militants from strategic posts overlooking Brital’s outskirts on the eastern border, as the Syria-based jihadist group posted a video allegedly showing a Hezbollah fighter it claims to have captured during Sunday’s assault on the party’s post in the area.
Hezbollah fighters seized the strategic Umm Khorj outpost in Lebanon’s eastern mountain range from which Nusra Front said it had launched an attack on the party’s Ain Saa position in Brital’s outskirts Sunday, Hezbollah’s Al-Ahed website quoted party sources as saying.
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Since it hardly gets coverage in our media, I want to write a little about the situation Yemen, which is turning into shit quickly, too..
I think it is related to the wars in Syria and Iraq because the sectarian rifts are the same as in the other conflicts. There used to be a Sunni Saudi puppet in power, but finally in September he got ousted by Shiite, tribal rebels. The conflict was grooming for much longer and the fighting didn't happen overnight, so to speak. Of course 100's already died in the fighting, you could see streets filled with dead bodies, victims who got crucified and shit like that online.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/alarabiya-studies/2014/09/23/The-battle-for-Sanaa-and-the-promised-agreement.html
http://www.aawsat.net/2014/09/article55336786
These two sources show the main developments in the September days of the coup. However the Sunni reaction came quickly. Now you have a government Sunni fraction backing the old powers, you have AQ and Shiite rebels now all battling for power over the State...
Today a heavy Suicide attack hit the capital, Sanaa. It was aimed at the Shiite rebels and killed around 50 people. I am sure you can find english sources if you look it up, I only have german ones. There were also attacks aimed at government forces which atleast killed 20 soldiers in a town called Mukalla.
Yesterday AQ already announced the execution of 14 abducted Yemenity soldiers, you can read up on the incident here:
http://www.todayszaman.com/world_al-qaeda-in-yemen-says-it-executed-14-shiite-soldiers_361127.html
It is very hard to find really valid numbers of the casualties so far as Yemen is basically a failed State already, but the people flee the area, it is war conditions on the ground for the last 4 weeks.
Since the situation escalated so quickly, it seems logical that outside Shiite powers supported the rebels (might be Iran's revenge for the Sauid involvement in Syria)... Question is, what do people who read up a little on what is going on down there think? Will it get worse or are things to get better quickly? My personal take is that it will get worse. Fighting is also going on in Lebanon (mainly between Al Nusra and the Lebanese government and Iran backed Hizbollah. Fighting already erupted in Yemen, too. Jordan is up next IMO... So far nobody willing or capable to put an end to that, i may be overly pessimistic in this regard, but I think the war in the "wider" middle east is here to stay for another while..
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This thread really needs some moderation in terms of racism and sheer non-quality posting. Seriously wtf are you talking about?(excluding news share)
According to Reuters, in Kobane there are only a few hundred civilians left and the rest are either in TR border or on TR soil. I am not satisfied with the current situation but stop non-sense posting.
Attacking Turkey does contribute anything to the thread?
On October 10 2014 06:22 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:18 pls no ty wrote:
We are not being religious, trust me.
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers..." Do you know which charming guy said that and enjoyed a ten month prison stay for it?
What a deep analysis...
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On October 10 2014 09:57 Laserist wrote:This thread really needs some moderation in terms of racism and sheer non-quality posting. Seriously wtf are you talking about?(excluding news share) According to Reuters, in Kobane there are only a few hundred civilians left and the rest are either in TR border or on TR soil. I am not satisfied with the current situation but stop non-sense posting. Attacking Turkey does contribute anything to the thread? Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:22 Nyxisto wrote:On October 10 2014 05:18 pls no ty wrote:
We are not being religious, trust me.
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers..." Do you know which charming guy said that and enjoyed a ten month prison stay for it? What a deep analysis...
It's not supposed to be a deep analysis, it's an example for what kind of ideology Erdogan and probably a few other people in power are sympathizing with. A head of state that thinks that democracy is a "bus ride" (again, a quote) towards what is presumably supposed to be an Islamist state is not a country that the West should consider a partner or even an ally.
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On October 10 2014 04:33 pls no ty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 03:57 heliusx wrote:
What an embarrassment Turkey is... a NATO country... bro, why dont you send your troops then. these kind of racists posts should not be allowed, this may allow other users to do the same.
Holy shit you out of all people calling people racist. The irony.
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You guys are fucking amazing. Its so nice to see you dont have any other perspective beside what your media and country want you to look from. Yeah, your new enemy is Turkey. I am %100 sure if your media starts talking about creating a country named a Kurdistan, dividing Turkey, you will accept it and start posting arguments to back that idea.
On October 10 2014 06:22 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 05:18 pls no ty wrote:
We are not being religious, trust me.
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers..." Do you know which charming guy said that and enjoyed a ten month prison stay for it?
Stop posting this fucking poem. He did not read this to fight against Europe, and its so fucking disgusting he is arrested because of reading that shit. You know what freedom and expression means? I am never a religious person, but he did read that poem to get vote from religious voters who clash with current militarist regime. Religion was almost banned in state those times, and religious people were under pressure. This is how fucking Erdogan rose, he used this for his campaign and a little bit liberal projects and TODAY. Even left minded people voted for him, were they crazy? He evolved something we all disgust but he does not represent whole TURKEY and whole NATION by himself.
We are not refusing going into syria just because he does not want to, because "WE" dont want to! Left minded people, liberals, right nationalists, right religious nationalists. NO ONE.
What did you do for Syria? I ask every fucking each of you. What did you do for Kurds? What did you do for the Kurds in Northern Iraq?
Turkey holds 2 millions of citizen from SYRIA.
> 2 MILLIONS.
And WE HAVE A TAX for helping them. They are paying nothing, but eating, wearing, also THEY HAVE RIGHT TO STUDY IN OUR SCHOOLS FOR FREE, i can list down thousand things like that. Even i made a charity to Syrians via foundations. HOW MANY YEARS PASSED and they are in Turkey? How many Syrians you have in your country? I posted an article couple of days ago Turkey became the THIRD country who donate most in the world after US and UK.
Are we your fucking slaves? Do we look like your puppets? Who are you to decide for us?
> Turks gonna provide free help for 2 MILLIONS syrians
> Turkey will also host 300.000 Kobane citizens
> Turkey will also go into Syria and fight against ISIS.
Why? Excuse me, why? Are you offering a united ground operation and we are refusing it? No. ONLY TURKEY.
And this becomes even funnier at this point.
> Iran threatens Turkey about military operation.
> Russia says they dont want bumper force.
> ESAD SAYS ANY FOREIGNER GROUND FORCE WILL BE CONSIDERED AS ENEMY
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
PYD and PKK say THEY WILL CONSIDER ANY HELP FROM TURKISH TROOPS AS OCCUPATION.
PKK IS %100 AGAINST IT.
So KURDS dont want us. Syrians dont want us, other neighborhood nations DONT WANT US. What the fuck is wrong with you.
Do we force Germany to send troops? What makes you think that we should send troops? IS THERE ANY BINDING ORDER from NATO or UN or something only because we share border?
America would of course send troops. BECAUSE PKK WONT ATTACK THEM.
Germany also can send troops, BECAUSE PKK WONT ATTACK THEM.
But PKK can attack us.
PKK IS A WORLDWIDE RECOGNIZED TERRORIST GROUP. WE DONT TRUST THEM. AND WE HAVE REASON TO DONT. THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN ISIS.
I dont fucking care your personal opinions about PKK, if you are somehow thinking that they actually not terrorist because they have some support from kurds go kill yourself, then ISIS is not terrorist neither.
They killed our babies, they beheaded our TEACHERS, they burnt down schools, molotoved public transports and burnt civilians, THEY EVEN BEHEADED A KURDISH GUY 2 DAYS AGO.
What the fuck, wake up people. You are doing the same mistake. Trusting to a terrorist organization just because you have same enemy is not a good thing! You have experienced it before!
When i say this, you start talking about WE AS A NATION, TURKEY, also killed Kurdish people. So till today, why did not you put TURKEY into terrorist organizations LIST and REMOVE PKK. Because the times Turkey was hunting down KURDS ended SO LOOOONG AGO. 13 millions of KURDISH people vote for ERDOGAN, we are debating anything PKK want us to debate. Its like jews create a terrorist group and attack germany, and you support that organization somehow accusing germans with HITLER.
Turkey was your STAR country months ago with helping Syrians, read Angelina Jolie's statements, now media is showing us as evil people and you suddenly jump. Kobane is almost empty town, they are all in Turkey, current fight is not related with saving life of civilians. Please shut your mouth about that, its enough.
PKK is our enemy, its also YOUR ENEMY too. And PKK does not represent whole KURDISH PEOPLE but Iraqi government DOES. And we have strong relations with them.
If we were killing and humiliating whole KURDISH identity why would a Turkish party get 13-14 millions of vote from Kurds.
Will you BLUSH if PKK kills a civilian with your guns? Will you even care, oh wait, WERE YOU GIVING ANY FUCK at all about PKK and Kurdish till the day ISIS starts to kill them?
PKK are just fucking cave rats who rape, kill every civilian or soldier and very famous with their betrayals to peace processes, i did post so many things about THEM, massacres, executions, drug traffic ETC ETC. And your fucking VICE news show cutie PKK female fighters and you just JUMP.
EVEN TODAY THEY SHOT 18 YEARS OLD KID WITH SHOTGUN DURING "PROTEST" !
EVEN TODAY THEY ASSASSINATED A POLICE CHIEF, KILLING TWO !
KURDISH OPPOSITION PARTY DECLARED TODAY LEADER OF PKK OCALAN CALLS KURDISH PEOPLE NOT TO FIGHT WITH TURKISH SOLDIERS OR POLICE AND DONT COMMIT ANY ACT OF VIOLENCE AND SAYING THAT SOME PROVOCATEURS TRY TO CONVERT TURKEY INTO SYRIA.
This is coming from their leaders. Yet you blame Turkey, Turkey, Turkey. Your whole argument is about Turkey let a lot of IS members to pass through its border.
Where they were coming from? BELGIUM. GERMANY. FRANCE. How many country does it require to pass? And ill keep posting PKK HEAD QUARTERS in Germany whenever a German starts talking about Turkey let IS bullshit.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/militarism-in-the-kurdish-diaspora-pkk-circumverts-ban-in-germany-a-514379.html
http://www.todayszaman.com/_turkey-puts-more-pressure-on-europe-to-curb-pkk-activities_261436.html
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255168-german-austrian-reports-expose-pkks-structure-activities-in-europe.html
And your politicians have just started to debate they should remove PKK from terrorist organization list. THIS IS THE REAL SHAME. Consider Turkey trying to do the same for ISIS.
And i wont look from a PKK perspective. Im looking from Kurdish perspective every time, i must, this is why i support kurdish autonomy and i am enemy to turkic ide's. Stop associating Kurdish people with PKK.
Or spit it out, you are just an ignorant anti humanistic crap who support PKK just because you hate ISIS and Turkey both. Its not that hard. Dont hide behind an argument you cant even defend properly about Kobane. I always try to explain and express my opinions with FACTS, you guys show up and write "blatant propagandist" , arguing with Hammurabi was way more better than this.
If there is a massacre in Kobane, [the international community] will be responsible for it. You are the ones who made ISIL become a menace for these people. You can’t abandon the Kurds in Kobane, or the Turkmens, Arabs and Turks in Telafer,” Kurdish Leader Demirtaş said.
Stop bombing and come down help, then blame Turkey. We are helping Syria and its people waaaaaay fucking more you do anyways. But you cant make us help to the terrorist organization that murdered 30.000 turkish soldiers. I hope they destroy themselves along with ISIS, i like their ideas about suicide bombings, NICE JOB. I dont care, and this make me a honored person!
PS: Moderation warned us about not to talk about Turkey, im just posting Kurdish - ISIS conflict in Turkey, but you guys are eager to discuss how bad Turkey is. Lets create another topic for that, or just LEAVE IT.
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