Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 246

On October 10 2014 06:58 PiPoGevy wrote:

Turkey slaughtered over 3 million Christian innocence in WW1 and to this day denies it, what makes you think they will follow somebody else's perspective...

Today is the time of our payback from who aim their guns to Kobane. From now on, all of the metropoles our radius of actions, our battlefields. Every policeman and soldier our primary target. Turkish metropoles wont sleep at ease while Kobane is burning down. Kurdish forces will carry the flames of Kobane to the enemy forces and metropoles will be hells.

On October 10 2014 10:53 pls no ty wrote:
You guys are fucking amazing. Its so nice to see you dont have any other perspective beside what your media and country want you to look from. Yeah, your new enemy is Turkey. I am %100 sure if your media starts talking about creating a country named a Kurdistan, dividing Turkey, you will accept it and start posting arguments to back that idea.



Stop posting this fucking poem. He did not read this to fight against Europe, and its so fucking disgusting he is arrested because of reading that shit. You know what freedom and expression means? I am never a religious person, but he did read that poem to get vote from religious voters who clash with current militarist regime. Religion was almost banned in state those times, and religious people were under pressure. This is how fucking Erdogan rose, he used this for his campaign and a little bit liberal projects and TODAY. Even left minded people voted for him, were they crazy? He evolved something we all disgust but he does not represent whole TURKEY and whole NATION by himself.

We are not refusing going into syria just because he does not want to, because "WE" dont want to! Left minded people, liberals, right nationalists, right religious nationalists. NO ONE.

What did you do for Syria? I ask every fucking each of you. What did you do for Kurds? What did you do for the Kurds in Northern Iraq?

Turkey holds 2 millions of citizen from SYRIA.

> 2 MILLIONS.

And WE HAVE A TAX for helping them. They are paying nothing, but eating, wearing, also THEY HAVE RIGHT TO STUDY IN OUR SCHOOLS FOR FREE, i can list down thousand things like that. Even i made a charity to Syrians via foundations. HOW MANY YEARS PASSED and they are in Turkey? How many Syrians you have in your country? I posted an article couple of days ago Turkey became the THIRD country who donate most in the world after US and UK.


Are we your fucking slaves? Do we look like your puppets? Who are you to decide for us?

> Turks gonna provide free help for 2 MILLIONS syrians
> Turkey will also host 300.000 Kobane citizens
> Turkey will also go into Syria and fight against ISIS.

Why? Excuse me, why? Are you offering a united ground operation and we are refusing it? No. ONLY TURKEY.

And this becomes even funnier at this point.

> Iran threatens Turkey about military operation.
> Russia says they dont want bumper force.
> ESAD SAYS ANY FOREIGNER GROUND FORCE WILL BE CONSIDERED AS ENEMY

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

PYD and PKK say THEY WILL CONSIDER ANY HELP FROM TURKISH TROOPS AS OCCUPATION.
PKK IS %100 AGAINST IT.

So KURDS dont want us. Syrians dont want us, other neighborhood nations DONT WANT US. What the fuck is wrong with you.

Do we force Germany to send troops? What makes you think that we should send troops? IS THERE ANY BINDING ORDER from NATO or UN or something only because we share border?

America would of course send troops. BECAUSE PKK WONT ATTACK THEM.
Germany also can send troops, BECAUSE PKK WONT ATTACK THEM.

But PKK can attack us.

PKK IS A WORLDWIDE RECOGNIZED TERRORIST GROUP. WE DONT TRUST THEM. AND WE HAVE REASON TO DONT. THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN ISIS.

I dont fucking care your personal opinions about PKK, if you are somehow thinking that they actually not terrorist because they have some support from kurds go kill yourself, then ISIS is not terrorist neither.

They killed our babies, they beheaded our TEACHERS, they burnt down schools, molotoved public transports and burnt civilians, THEY EVEN BEHEADED A KURDISH GUY 2 DAYS AGO.

What the fuck, wake up people. You are doing the same mistake. Trusting to a terrorist organization just because you have same enemy is not a good thing! You have experienced it before!

When i say this, you start talking about WE AS A NATION, TURKEY, also killed Kurdish people. So till today, why did not you put TURKEY into terrorist organizations LIST and REMOVE PKK. Because the times Turkey was hunting down KURDS ended SO LOOOONG AGO. 13 millions of KURDISH people vote for ERDOGAN, we are debating anything PKK want us to debate. Its like jews create a terrorist group and attack germany, and you support that organization somehow accusing germans with HITLER.

Turkey was your STAR country months ago with helping Syrians, read Angelina Jolie's statements, now media is showing us as evil people and you suddenly jump. Kobane is almost empty town, they are all in Turkey, current fight is not related with saving life of civilians. Please shut your mouth about that, its enough.

PKK is our enemy, its also YOUR ENEMY too. And PKK does not represent whole KURDISH PEOPLE but Iraqi government DOES. And we have strong relations with them.

If we were killing and humiliating whole KURDISH identity why would a Turkish party get 13-14 millions of vote from Kurds.

Will you BLUSH if PKK kills a civilian with your guns? Will you even care, oh wait, WERE YOU GIVING ANY FUCK at all about PKK and Kurdish till the day ISIS starts to kill them?

PKK are just fucking cave rats who rape, kill every civilian or soldier and very famous with their betrayals to peace processes, i did post so many things about THEM, massacres, executions, drug traffic ETC ETC. And your fucking VICE news show cutie PKK female fighters and you just JUMP.

EVEN TODAY THEY SHOT 18 YEARS OLD KID WITH SHOTGUN DURING "PROTEST" !
EVEN TODAY THEY ASSASSINATED A POLICE CHIEF, KILLING TWO !

KURDISH OPPOSITION PARTY DECLARED TODAY LEADER OF PKK OCALAN CALLS KURDISH PEOPLE NOT TO FIGHT WITH TURKISH SOLDIERS OR POLICE AND DONT COMMIT ANY ACT OF VIOLENCE AND SAYING THAT SOME PROVOCATEURS TRY TO CONVERT TURKEY INTO SYRIA.

This is coming from their leaders. Yet you blame Turkey, Turkey, Turkey. Your whole argument is about Turkey let a lot of IS members to pass through its border.

Where they were coming from? BELGIUM. GERMANY. FRANCE. How many country does it require to pass? And ill keep posting PKK HEAD QUARTERS in Germany whenever a German starts talking about Turkey let IS bullshit.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/militarism-in-the-kurdish-diaspora-pkk-circumverts-ban-in-germany-a-514379.html

http://www.todayszaman.com/_turkey-puts-more-pressure-on-europe-to-curb-pkk-activities_261436.html

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255168-german-austrian-reports-expose-pkks-structure-activities-in-europe.html

And your politicians have just started to debate they should remove PKK from terrorist organization list. THIS IS THE REAL SHAME. Consider Turkey trying to do the same for ISIS.

And i wont look from a PKK perspective. Im looking from Kurdish perspective every time, i must, this is why i support kurdish autonomy and i am enemy to turkic ide's. Stop associating Kurdish people with PKK.

Or spit it out, you are just an ignorant anti humanistic crap who support PKK just because you hate ISIS and Turkey both. Its not that hard. Dont hide behind an argument you cant even defend properly about Kobane. I always try to explain and express my opinions with FACTS, you guys show up and write "blatant propagandist" , arguing with Hammurabi was way more better than this.

Kurdish Leader Demirtaş said.

Stop bombing and come down help, then blame Turkey. We are helping Syria and its people waaaaaay fucking more you do anyways. But you cant make us help to the terrorist organization that murdered 30.000 turkish soldiers. I hope they destroy themselves along with ISIS, i like their ideas about suicide bombings, NICE JOB. I dont care, and this make me a honored person!

PS: Moderation warned us about not to talk about Turkey, im just posting Kurdish - ISIS conflict in Turkey, but you guys are eager to discuss how bad Turkey is. Lets create another topic for that, or just LEAVE IT.

On October 10 2014 14:28 pls no ty wrote:
If you keep your distortion act like this, i will name this hypocrisy, you dont know about the difference between a Kurd and a PKK militant, please stay away from arguing mid-east topics. Every time i write so many things about Kurds and PKK, yet your answers are still same, i think you are not even reading anything.


So... YEAH KURDS YEAH. I ALWAYS WRITE HOW BAD KURDS ARE.

There are many countries who has not done anything about ISIS, including yours. Its only jet bombing lead by USA. Why dont you just focus on the fact that they are all avoiding ground operations? Turkey is doing everything coalition wants. At least read the tweets and the links above. Enough already.

On October 10 2014 17:41 Laserist wrote:


There are close to no civilians in Kobane and all are accepted by Turkey inside Turkish border.

I am pretty sure everyone ask Turkey to engage ISIS in some way or another. Turkey will always open borders for humanitarian purposes.

At least google "reuters" and follow the news from there.

On October 11 2014 01:00 Nyxisto wrote:


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29570734


"Except for one narrow entry and exit point, Mr de Mistura said Kobane was "literally surrounded" by IS, with hundreds of mainly elderly civilians still inside the city centre and another 10-13,000 gathered nearby, AFP reports.

He said the civilians would "most likely be massacred'' if the town fell to IS, warning that the UN did not want to see another Srebrenica - where thousands of Muslim men and boys were killed by Bosnian Serb forces in 1995 during the Bosnian conflict."

In which world are over 10k civilians "close to none"?

Photo: A Turkish soldier sits on a tank, with the town of Kobani, Syria, in the background - @Reuters

Deputy US National Security Adviser Tony Blinken confirms that Islamic State holds 40% of Kobani, says group could capture the Syrian city - @Reuters

On October 11 2014 03:07 heliusx wrote:
It's a bit ignorant to group all kurds together.

On October 11 2014 05:01 tenacity wrote:
pls no ty, don't you think that helping the kurds to establish an own state would help foster the peace between kurds and Turkey??

On October 11 2014 05:20 pls no ty wrote:


I do, but this is not a thing we should decide. Syrians citizens should decide on that, not only the kurds both arabic people and of course even esads supporters. They pay taxes for those lands for years.

And the other hurting issue that, pkk has a claim over 5 turkish provinces which is nearly %30 of Turkey where millions of turks also live, and where millions of kurds who vote for unity live.

Lets say they will get a nation inside current Syria -does not trouble me at all- and they only want democratic autonomy in Turkey, which is also pretty accurute, problem is, will they stay calm in such situation? I do trust Iraqi Kurds, i dont like them much but they respect us and we have strong trade partnership, but Syrian Kurdistan will be ruled by "very left maoist" regime, PKK. And just check their final statements...

If Kobane falls, Ankara will fall.
Turkish cities wont sleep at ease while Kobane is burning.
If Kobane falls, peace is over.
If you act like this, there will be a soldier at your door, telling your son is dead.

I did not even change a single word while translating. And these are coming from Pkks both political and army forces, while their very beloved leader constantly trying to build a better future, but he loses ground dy bay dy since he becomes less kurdish nationalist.

What will keep them saying, IF YOU DONT GIVE 5 PROVINCES, WE ARE GONNA BLOW YOUR CITIES? Can you trust them, i want a sincere answer. They have always finished previous peace talks with mass civilian and soldier killings. When they bombed Taksim square, i was just 3 blocks away from that, in Istanbul...