Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 243

On October 08 2014 14:55 pls no ty wrote:


Worlds media is showing PKK or YPG as angel heroes who defend freedom because they are fighting against a common enemy. They are no better than ISIS, the only difference they attack only to Turks and Kurds.

On October 08 2014 15:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

Lol mate. Don't worry. They've only been doing that with PKK / YPG since 2014. They've been doing this with the Talabani / Barzani dictatorship in Iraqi KRG since the 90s.

On October 08 2014 15:02 pls no ty wrote:
As long as your defence contains school bombings, train bombings, beheadings, temporary duty innocent soldier killings, organizing civilian and soldier massacres, yeah .Why do you think PKK is considered as a terrorist organization by world?



> Our forces burnt a school.

YEAH.

Edit: In the video Ocalan ( PKK LEADER ) makes a speech with Turkish generals and he is saying i ll be no different from a turkish soldier, Pkk will serve to Turkey bla bla bla and more asslicking. You can google translate.

On October 08 2014 15:15 pls no ty wrote:
What did i say several pages ago? Kurds should convince Turkey that there will be no more killings.

Dude, simple logic.

I will be active duty officer in close future.

Be myself, put me in Iraq, im in the post with some kurdish, we are defending with Kurdish forces.

They start to talk about their operations in Turkey, and somehow they point the operation when they shot my highschool bro, what do you think i would and should do?

Every turkish soldier right now, probably thinking about this. And for example, we kicked ISIS so badly, this will help PKK a lot right? Simple logic, they will save a lot ammos and rpgs and bombs, what happens if they attack with these new guns to Turkish soldiers or villages? Turkish soldiers will be in a position of helping harm itself and its nation and its public that it should defend always. Just think.

Kurds should be less nationalist and hater.

On October 08 2014 15:35 pls no ty wrote:
Yeah but the problem is, Kurdish nationalism is a clear threat to The Republic of Turkey, since they claim many provinces for their Kurdistan, where both Kurds and Turks live together.

There are only 4 million Kurds who voted for Selahattin Demirtas in presidential elections this year. His aim was Kurdish autonomy. There are 20 millions of Kurds in Turkey. Pkk calls those Kurds as "State kurds or converted Kurds".

When you say you hate Kurds, you must say you hate separatist kurds. We hate separatist kurds, not because of their ideas, because of their clear support for terrorist attacks.

Thanks god, we started to hear things like they dont want an independent kurdish nation anymore. As i said, we have nothing to do with normal citizen kurds, actually i think i love them more than i love white turks, lol.

On October 08 2014 19:01 Laserist wrote:


I thought you underestimate the power of TR Army since all the conflicts of IS are against unorganized small-armed militia and air strike force of US in general. "Heavy Arms" of IS doesn't mean anything against TRA, let me tell you. You can compare the forces of both sides.

Taking Istanbul(Constantinople) wouldn't even be their wet dream, let alone a border village.

For those whom foreign of Turkish politics, TR vs. PKK is a long on-going fight since 84 which is not new.
Fighting against Turkey means fighting against all NATO forces too.

People are heavily exaggerating the internal events in Turkey, we have those for years and years.

Only thing bothers me is, we cleaned the heavy fundamentalists before(search Hizbullah), even though they are a little bit different than IS, and it seems we have a very minor numbers of IS supporters may commit terrorism on our soil. It takes very few people to terrorize a country.

On October 08 2014 19:52 frontliner2 wrote:


Hi

I know TR army is very powerful and ISIS would be fools to open a front with TR.

Anyway they are decentralized militias. Urban/guerilla style. That is HIGHLY effective vs conventional armies (infantry, armor, airforce), that's why they are so efficient/successful.

If IS would form army units like countries do they would lose every battle. Being ragtag militias specialized in sniping and guerilla, and antiarmor/antiair, is exactly the HARD counter against conventional.

The only way to crush such units is Total War, that means brutal sieges and carpet bombing.

I'm in no way underestamating TR army, TR army is very very powerful, but also very conventional, just like all the EU armies. So it's not that I'm underestamating TR army, it's that I think we underestimate IS.

We need to relearn total war in order to defeat ISIS. The problem is that it's so atrocious and mostly civilians will die.

IS control major cities and thousands of villages. This means they will produce fighters, every month there will be legions of boys/men ready to pick up arms. That plus their guerilla tactics make them a recurring threat, every time.

Are there muslims here? I'm wondering do you meet fellow muslims that to a degree support IS? What is the common consensus. I'm interested. thx