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Nyxisto
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koreasilver
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EtherealBlade
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On October 08 2014 00:51 Nyxisto wrote: The kurds in question are Yazidis so I think the statement "Kurds vs Muslims" is correct in that case. I thought there were a lot of Kurds fighting for IS, not just against it. | ||
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pls no ty
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On October 07 2014 12:10 cheese sandwich wrote: Yes but Turkey is just one fvcked up government trying to rule completely over the people with no freedom. How can there be any honor in Turkish tanks at the border sitting idle while Kobane falls. Turkey will obviously advance but once the city is fallen and the Kurds have retreated or are dead. Imo, Turkey should never have joined NATO and EU but sadly that messed up government can be listened to and defended for their own interests. Oh, have you guys given up on staging the Syria attack on Turkey and covering it up on social media in order to get NATO to attack Assad? My blood boils thinking of Erdogan! Nice question. How can be any honor in Turkish tanks while Kobane falls? Is Kobane a Turkish city? No. Is people of Kobane citizen of Turkey? No. So why the hell my countrys soldiers will die? As i know, every nation has its army to defend itself and its not American soldiers duty to defend Norway, for example. So whats gonna happen if a terrorist group beats a countrys defence forces. We have our UNITED NATIONS, PEACE FORCES. Where are they right now? Bombing ISIS but not sending ground forces because simply, AMERICAN SOLDIERS LIFE > any arabic citizens life or terrorist or kurdish. Dont talk about honor. Turkish army hates Pkk more than they hate ISIS, because they have strong honor, they dont forget 30.000 killed turkish brothers. I am so happy to see Pkk is dealing with terrorism. They finally realize what terrorism really is. How do you feel when you hear your innocent civilian is killed by some fucking terrorists in order to "send a message". Oh, anyways. I only want turkish troops help citizens of kobane by securing city, defending city. This should and will help our peace progress with pkk, so there wont be any bombs in my train, in public places i walk everyday bla bla. Save your turkish hatred for tomorrows. | ||
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On October 08 2014 02:38 EtherealBlade wrote: I thought there were a lot of Kurds fighting for IS, not just against it. Its a fact. Almost 8k ! | ||
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Ramong
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hmm, would you have any souce to back this up ? | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
Can you post a source for that number ? Thanks. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On October 08 2014 02:40 pls no ty wrote: Nice question. How can be any honor in Turkish tanks while Kobane falls? Is Kobane a Turkish city? No. Is people of Kobane citizen of Turkey? No. So why the hell my countrys soldiers will die? As i know, every nation has its army to defend itself and its not American soldiers duty to defend Norway, for example. So whats gonna happen if a terrorist group beats a countrys defence forces. We have our UNITED NATIONS, PEACE FORCES. Where are they right now? Bombing ISIS but not sending ground forces because simply, AMERICAN SOLDIERS LIFE > any arabic citizens life or terrorist or kurdish. Dont talk about honor. Turkish army hates Pkk more than they hate ISIS, because they have strong honor, they dont forget 30.000 killed turkish brothers. I am so happy to see Pkk is dealing with terrorism. They finally realize what terrorism really is. How do you feel when you hear your innocent civilian is killed by some fucking terrorists in order to "send a message". Oh, anyways. I only want turkish troops help citizens of kobane by securing city, defending city. This should and will help our peace progress with pkk, so there wont be any bombs in my train, in public places i walk everyday bla bla. Save your turkish hatred for tomorrows. So you want them to help Kobani or not ? What are the turks waiting for to start attacking the jihadists ? | ||
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Nyxisto
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URfavHO
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On October 08 2014 03:00 URfavHO wrote: I suspect that it has to do with the rule of engagement that the US has set for itself. It would make sense given that they have decided to use close air support helicopters. I am sure that carpet bombing an entire city that has some non-combatants would likely inspire more people to join IS. But not long ago ISIS militants were on the outskirts of the city and no one attacked them..at least they were able to advance so rapidly without much opposition. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
Some points: -Surveillance is hard work. Drones et al. just cover a relatively small area (atleast if the operation takes place in 2 countries with only very limited personel and material)--> US surveillance right now very likely is concentrated in certain areas which are deemed IS strongholds or strategically important. Limited surveillance and battlefield info combined with strict RoE lead to a relatively low number of strikes (it looks like politicians right now are very interested in limiting civilian casualties as much as possible). Why no bomb Kobane? The situation on the ground is chaotical. Some points. There are also FSA units operating in the area to support the Kurds-->Some more guys with weapons who you DO NOT want to bomb and you don't have exact info on their whereabouts-->increaseds risk of bombing the wrong guys and political backlash. The whole area is flooded with refugees from Kobane countryside and from the overall Syria war who want to get through to Turkey, some of these splintered groups have guys with weapons with them to defend themselves if they get into trouble-->IS fighters use these convoys to travel and move supplies through the country-->bombing them would surely bring nice headlines and half the guys parading for a bombardement in this thread would immidiately want to get out of there as fast as possible. In Kobane itself it is very hard to identify who is shooting at each other and who should get bombed. In the wider area of Kobane there are around 300 villages and compounds. The battle is dynamic at one day some of these positions are in kurdish hand and on the other day IS holds the position and vice versa.Out of the air and with limited infos it is hard to determine who actually shoots at whom from the inside of this building-->You have a significant risk of accidentally bombing kurdish forces and political backlash. All in all the strict RoE+limited surveillance capability+multiple fractions involved+chaotic refugee situation+political risk to get further involved via logic of war (goals are still achievable but further escalation, like more troops for example, is needed)+ limited info from the ground battles lead to a pretty small number of strikes. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On October 08 2014 02:40 pls no ty wrote: Nice question. How can be any honor in Turkish tanks while Kobane falls? Is Kobane a Turkish city? No. Is people of Kobane citizen of Turkey? No. So why the hell my countrys soldiers will die? As i know, every nation has its army to defend itself and its not American soldiers duty to defend Norway, for example. So whats gonna happen if a terrorist group beats a countrys defence forces. We have our UNITED NATIONS, PEACE FORCES. Where are they right now? Bombing ISIS but not sending ground forces because simply, AMERICAN SOLDIERS LIFE > any arabic citizens life or terrorist or kurdish. Dont talk about honor. Turkish army hates Pkk more than they hate ISIS, because they have strong honor, they dont forget 30.000 killed turkish brothers. I am so happy to see Pkk is dealing with terrorism. They finally realize what terrorism really is. How do you feel when you hear your innocent civilian is killed by some fucking terrorists in order to "send a message". Oh, anyways. I only want turkish troops help citizens of kobane by securing city, defending city. This should and will help our peace progress with pkk, so there wont be any bombs in my train, in public places i walk everyday bla bla. Save your turkish hatred for tomorrows. If your government had no intention of helping Kobani then they shouldn't have told lies that they would help and made empty pledges. IS footage of street fighting in Kobani: | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On October 08 2014 02:40 pls no ty wrote: So why the hell my countrys soldiers will die? As i know, every nation has its army to defend itself and its not American soldiers duty to defend Norway, for example. Not a great example there | ||
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pls no ty
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Why? On October 08 2014 02:48 Ramong wrote: hmm, would you have any souce to back this up ? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam And they actually fight for ISIS http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/06/19/isis-not-alone-in-their-conquest-of-iraq/ | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On October 08 2014 07:06 pls no ty wrote: Why? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam And they actually fight for ISIS http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/06/19/isis-not-alone-in-their-conquest-of-iraq/ Can you please quote me that number (8k) ? Can't find it on the link you posted, only text about their numbers i can find is this: "Ansar al-Islam initially comprised approximately 300 men, many of these veterans from the Soviet-Afghan War, and a proportion being neither Kurd nor Arab. " | ||
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pls no ty
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After your message, i texted my journalist friend about does he know any relation between ansar al islam, he said yes and there are rumors that they are fighting against peshmerge in ayn al arab siege (kobane) (!). I just said do you have any articles about that, and numbers pls, still waiting answer from him. : ) | ||
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pls no ty
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Source: Its in turkish but its his voice, he knows fluent Turkish btw. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On October 08 2014 09:38 pls no ty wrote: PYD leader Salih Muslim: Turkey promised us to help. The conditions in the media are too old and already argued. We have no relations with that regime (Asad) and we convinced Turkey about Kurdish cantons that they are our internal affairs only. Turkey wants to act right now, not even tomorrow, they said lets start soonest possible. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l9uuiNrlw8 Its in turkish but its his voice, he knows fluent Turkish btw. Btw how many turks are fighting with isis ? | ||
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