Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 242

Turkish authorities have declared curfew in five provinces, including Diyarbakır, largest city in southeastern Turkey, as street demonstrations turned violent and police clashed with protesters.

Sympathizers of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) staged street demonstrations following Monday's call by pro-Kurdish party across Turkey. Protests particularly turned violent in İstanbul, Siirt, Mardin, Diyarbakır, Muş, Van and Hakkari.

Turkish police fired tear gas and water cannon at demonstrating youths in areas where protesters set barricades on roads and set on fire banks, post offices and schools. In Varto district of Muş, a man died and dozens of people were wounded in clashes between riot police and demonstrators.

On October 08 2014 09:54 pls no ty wrote:
Fighting against or fighting alongside?

To your previous question about what i want:

I want Turkey to help. But first they must make a sign that there wont be any more soldier killing, public bombing, or at least they wont continue their kurdish nationalism. Their social media 7-24 "tweeting" bullshit hater propaganda against Turkey.

IF they are gonna be the same, if they are gonna end our peace process with a HUGE ATTACK after they gain their power back, tell me a reason to kill a turkish soldier in order to help kurdish? They ended previous peace negotiations
with THESE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_24,_1993_PKK_ambush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Başbağlar_massacre (to the pkk does not kill civilians liars)

edit: forum made me post 2 times, sorry.

On October 08 2014 10:43 ImFromPortugal wrote:




I asked how many turks are fighting alongside isis.

On October 08 2014 10:43 ImFromPortugal wrote:




I asked how many turks are fighting alongside isis.

Near Kobani, airstrikes hit ISIS vehicles
In Syria, according to U.S. Central Command, the airstrikes against ISIS included:
-- One south of Kobani destroyed three ISIS armed vehicles and damaged another
-- One southeast of Kobani destroyed an ISIS armed vehicle carrying anti-aircraft artillery
-- Two southwest of Kobani damaged an ISIS tank
-- One south of Kobani destroyed an ISIS unit

Elsewhere in Syria, two strikes west of al-Hasakah hit multiple ISIS buildings, one near Deir Ezzor struck an ISIS staging area and IED production facility, and one southwest of Rabiyah struck a small group of ISIS fighters.
The United States, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE all participated in the strikes, Central Command said.

While Turkish troops watched the fighting in Kobani through a chicken-wire fence, Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said that the town was about to fall and Kurdish fighters warned of an impending blood bath if they were not reinforced — fears the United States shares.

But Mr. Erdogan said Tuesday that Turkey would not get more deeply involved in the conflict with the Islamic State unless the United States agreed to give greater support to rebels trying to unseat the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad. That has deepened tensions with President Obama, who would like Turkey to take stronger action against the Islamic State and to leave the fight against Mr. Assad out of it.

Mr. Erdogan has also resisted pleas to send his troops across the border in the absence of a no-fly zone to ward off the Syrian Air Force.

Even as it stepped up airstrikes against the militants Tuesday, the Obama administration was frustrated by what it regards as Turkey’s excuses for not doing more militarily. Officials note, for example, that the American-led coalition, with its heavy rotation of flights and airstrikes, has effectively imposed a no-fly zone over northern Syria already, so Mr. Erdogan’s demand for such a zone rings hollow.

“There’s growing angst about Turkey dragging its feet to act to prevent a massacre less than a mile from its border,” a senior administration official said. “After all the fulminating about Syria’s humanitarian catastrophe, they’re inventing reasons not to act to avoid another catastrophe.

“This isn’t how a NATO ally acts while hell is unfolding a stone’s throw from their border,” said the official, who spoke anonymously to avoid publicly criticizing an ally.

...

Kurdish fighters battling Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) jihadists for the Syrian town of Kobane employed a new tactic when a female suicide bomber blew herself up in an attack claimed to have killed dozens of militants.

The young woman, a fulltime fighter with the Syria-based Kurdish rebel group the People's Protection Units (YPG), killed herself in the attack on Sunday, Kurdish sources told AFP.

Her name in Kurdish was Dilar Gencxemis but she went under the nom-de-guerre of Arin Mirkan, the YPG said in a statement.

She was from the Syrian town of Afrin of Aleppo province of northern Syria, just south of the Turkish border.

With Kurdish fighters under increasing pressure from the ISIS jihadists seeking to seize Kobane, this is the first time a suicide bomber has been used by Kurdish forces in the conflict.

On October 08 2014 10:47 pls no ty wrote:
{CC}StealthBlue: Do you see his sweet tweet. You should definitely translate. https://twitter.com/FiratGunay/status/519582718783283200


I really wonder this guy is alive or not: http://guardianofvalor.com/truth-behind-jordan-matsons-american-fighting-isis-ypg-military-career/

I saw this: https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140930114401AAhu4Cg

Any news?




I dont know. Cant be thousand, if there are, they must be former hezbollah or something. Isis does not have any ground in Turkey, we have some religious places in Anatolia but even the religious elder people hate them. For example my grandma!

Stupidly, they lost their potential ground with their beheadings. Apart from that, every turkish have some fear if they come to turkey since we are "apostates", lol.

On October 08 2014 13:13 ImFromPortugal wrote:


The map presented by Judicator says that at least 1k turks are fighting for isis..i don't know how you can say they are former Hezbollah when Hezbollah is a shia organization and isis is sunni. Still waiting for your source for the 8k Kurds fighting with isis.

“Turkish soldiers should not enter Syrian soil. There are those who want to drag Turkey into the Syrian soil, into the atmosphere of war in the Middle East. Turkey should not play this game. I believe the Turkish military thinks the same way.

* “Erdoğan wants to become an ‘extraordinary leader’ through the dream of a ‘cheap war’ in Syria. Like many 'extraordinary leaders' in history, he is trying to keep his power consolidated by creating 'extraordinary situations' - or illusions of extraordinary situations - one after another. First, it was the suspicion of a coup against himself using court cases like Ergenekon and Balyoz. Then, there was the illusion of another coup attempt using the Gezi protests, and finally there are the claims of a ‘parallel structure’ against the government. The last in this series is the dream of a cheap war in Syria. But when it became clear that this war would not be so cheap, he was late in putting the brakes on. God save Turkey from leaders considering themselves ‘extraordinary,’ and God save Turkey from war.”

On October 08 2014 13:30 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

Here was the original graphic StealthBlue posted on Sept. 15th.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/511138411366064128/photo/1

This says 400, but it's unclear.

However, even Turkish news reports 1,000+ Turkish fighters for ISIS back in August.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/more-than-1000-turks-fighting-for-the-islamic-caliphate-.aspx?PageID=238&NID=69867&NewsCatID=429

The NYTimes in mid-September reported as many as 1,000 as well, quoting Turkish media.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/world/europe/turkey-is-a-steady-source-of-isis-recruits.html


However, given the high degree of Kurdish nationalism and the fact it makes no sense for them to fight for a group that has shitlisted Kurds, I highly doubt there's very many Turkish Kurds fighting for ISIS, nevermind 8k.

On October 08 2014 13:13 ImFromPortugal wrote:


The map presented by Judicator says that at least 1k turks are fighting for isis..i don't know how you can say they are former Hezbollah when Hezbollah is a shia organization and isis is sunni. Still waiting for your source for the 8k Kurds fighting with isis.

On October 08 2014 13:55 pls no ty wrote:


Its not Turkish Kurds, its Iraqi Kurds. There is even a video on the internet, please read carefully. Ansaar al Islam, http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184544#.VDS0K_mSwUM .




Hezbollah in Turkey was Kurdish sunni * shia organization. There were good support from turkish sunni jihadists years ago. When i said they must be former hezbollah, i meant they probably could not find new recruits but already islamic terror related ones. 400 to 1k proves that i suppose. Compare it to population. Still a shame though.

On October 08 2014 14:15 pls no ty wrote:
The link and the articles say there are 400 to 1.000 fighters from Turkey who joined ISIS. And i said they must be former islamic terorists organization members such as Turkish Hezbollah (since they were getting also Sunni support years ago, not only Shia - for example in my university Hezbollah supporters always fight with PKK supporters while Turkish Hezbollah is mainly Kurdish) . I dont believe ISIS can convince normal Turkish citizens to fight for them.

On October 08 2014 14:33 pls no ty wrote:
Most probably, and of course there must be normal jihadist turks who support hezbollah. I edited my last message, have a look.

On October 08 2014 14:34 ImFromPortugal wrote:


Why would a hezbollah supporter fight against hezbollah? You know hezbollah is helping the syiran government fight insurgents right?

On October 08 2014 14:40 pls no ty wrote:


Turkish hezbollah is different.

In your logic, why would hezbollah shoots down PKK members when they are fighting with ISIS, but the number of the casualties are 18 already.

And probably they were not aware of siege of Kobane when they first send recruits or declare support. But both Iraqi Kurds and Turkish Kurds have some minorities support IS, this is clear.

On October 08 2014 14:44 ImFromPortugal wrote:


Its also clear that turkish citizens are supporting isis why you try to go around that fact?

On October 08 2014 14:33 pls no ty wrote:
Most probably, and of course there must be normal jihadist turks who support hezbollah..

On October 08 2014 14:55 pls no ty wrote:


See:




Im not going around.

There is a strong belief about some of the higher ranks in IS are Turkish National Int members but this is not confirmed, lacks source.

And there is a big "my enemys enemy is my friend" motto in Turkish secularists, why do you think the opposition member said Turkey should not enter Kobane, root of the party is highly secular turkish nationalist.

So we can say, %15 to %30 of Turkey is somehow supporting ISIS in this fight against Kurdish forces. I can see a lot of posts on the internet both religious turkish nationalist and secular turkish nationalists talking about how they would be happy if ISIS destroy whole PKK and then we destroy ISIS.

Even myself, want to help Kurdish citizens who are innocent in Kobane but rest YPG and PKK can die in suffer, i would enjoy some executions. They beheaded my dad's girlfriends son, cutting his head, ears, nose, penis, arms, feet, testicles.

Worlds media is showing PKK or YPG as angel heroes who defend freedom because they are fighting against a common enemy. They are no better than ISIS, the only difference they attack only to Turks and Kurds.