On October 06 2014 18:33 frontliner2 wrote: The pro turkish anti-kurdish slanders you're producing is so transparent pls no ty.
Uygur Turks deserve every ounce of oppresion too, don't they? Tibetans anyone?
You conveniently post about dead Turkish soldiers but you fail to mention all the dead Kurdish civilians by the hands of Turkey.
Do you believe in the Armenian genocide by chance?
You probably registered just so you can portray Kurds as bad guys and defend Turkey all the way through. I know how proud Turks are I know a few. Turkey is always right and righteous and it's the big bad world that's doing them wrong.
That also kind of sums up your past posts in this thread.
Thats hilarious.
Being anti-PKK means being anti-Kurdish.
I am open to debate any turkish fault or kurdish civilian deaths, what you guys think i really want to hear, turkish troops march east of Turkey and kill everyone? We invade those lands and holding with brute force?
I never say things like im proud of being turk, i find solidarity thing stupid, my best friend is Kurdish, my ex girlfriend was kurdish, i support kurdish democratic autonomy. I hate kemalism and pan-turkism. Wanna hear more?
Think twice before posting bullshit things, knowing few turks does not grant you that right. Turkey has a population of 75 millions, smart guy.
And i would still write the same things if i was not turkish, but lived in Turkey. Pkk doesnt attack professional soldiers, my friend was not a pro soldier, pkk always attacks temporary duty soldiers.
17 of my brothers (all of them were 20-25) killed during that recorded attack. (this movie is in the name of their memory, you should watch (director is kurdish!) )
We are talking about Syria - Iraq, there is PKK there. As you write your own comments, i write mines. And yeah, i decide how / what im gonna write about. Because i find necessary to inform you guys what PKK really is. So a murder like that, can be triggered thanks to weapons that are sent from WEST, and im focusing on that topic, if you excuse me..
What would you focus on if Netherlands had a border with ISIS and Kurdish Netherland-haters armed by Germany. Its so easy to be like you, but its my nation may blow up, not yours.
The key Syria-Turkey border town of Kobane might fall to Islamic State (IS) fighters soon, an official there has told the BBC.
A flag appearing to be that of Islamic State has been seen flying over a building on the eastern edge of Kobane.
The official, Idriss Nassan, said IS was now in control of Mistenur, the strategic hill above the city.
Kobane has seen intense fighting over the past three days as Syrian Kurds try to defend the town.
US-led forces have been conducting air strikes on IS positions in the area to try to slow their advance.
There were unconfirmed reports of another such strike overnight.
The IS militants have been besieging the town for nearly three weeks. More than 160,000 Syrians, mainly Kurds, have fled across the border since the offensive was launched.
Capturing the town, also known as Ayn al-Arab, would give IS unbroken control of a long stretch of the Syrian-Turkish border.
Thousands of civilians The BBC's Paul Adams, near the border, says the sound of gunfire overnight was intense and is still going on, with large plumes of smoke over Kobane.
Ground troops can be used in the operation targeting the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) as part of a comprehensive strategy also targeting the Bashar al-Assad regime, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu has reportedly said.
We need every man and woman, even grannies thing is a lie. Please stop misunderstanding.
Selahattin Demirtaş made call to arms for kurdish younglings, stating its now or never war. The number of the new recruits is below 500 from Turkey.
Are we missing something or kurds in turkey dont give a fuck about Pkk?
No assault lasts more than a month, we will see whats gonna happen this week.
The news i have read said that many Kurds that fled to Turkey were trying to go back to Kobani to help defend the city but were not able (not allowed) by the turkish government to go trough the checkpoints. Judicator posted a link about it some pages ago.
I stand by my accusations on Turkey basically looking away at Kurds being uprooted from their ancient lands.
We firmly stand in diffent camps, so much is clear. We disagree. My point is that Erdogan and especially the Turkey Gov. isn´t all that appalled at the slaughter of the Kurds.
anyway, regarding Turkey deploying older military technology, I would say why not? This isn't conventional warfare so every unit counts. If you suffer losses it also will have advantages upkeep wise.
Old tanks still can deal damage. It's the overall quality that lacks in comparison to current generation armor technology. Kind of.
Kobane: 1) Cut ties with Assad 2) Dismantle Kurdish cantons in Syria 3) Not threaten Turkey
they say its 5 messages :
1 ) If the PYD wants Kurdish Syrians to have a good future, they should cut all ties with Assad.
2 ) The most important reason behind ISIS advancing is that Syrian dissident groups do not act together. All dissident elements in the country should fight against ISIS together.
3 ) The buffer zone that will be set up in the region will guarantee everyone’s safety, mostly Syrian Kurds.
4 ) The secure zone will be for humanitarian aid. Turkey has no intention of staying in Syria.
5 ) De facto settlements such as independence or autonomy in the region cannot be accepted. The Syrian people will determine the future of Syria.
BEIRUT: The Nusra Front was seeking to drain Hezbollah’s resources and secure supply lines in its brazen attack on Hezbollah outposts over the weekend, experts say.
“The Nusra Front is specifically seeking to bleed Hezbollah as much as possible, create new supply lines, and regain control of Arsal and adjacent areas to recreate a command center that would be used to target Hezbollah’s interests across the country,” said Bilal Saab, a senior fellow for Middle East Security at the Atlantic Council’s Brent Scowcraft Center on International Security.
For weeks, battles have raged along the porous border between forces loyal to the Syrian regime, including Hezbollah, and various Syrian opposition factions. The calm of West Bekaa towns is not infrequently punctuated by the distant echoes of blasts, which residents say come from border clashes.
On October 06 2014 18:33 frontliner2 wrote: The pro turkish anti-kurdish slanders you're producing is so transparent pls no ty.
Uygur Turks deserve every ounce of oppresion too, don't they? Tibetans anyone?
You conveniently post about dead Turkish soldiers but you fail to mention all the dead Kurdish civilians by the hands of Turkey.
Do you believe in the Armenian genocide by chance?
You probably registered just so you can portray Kurds as bad guys and defend Turkey all the way through. I know how proud Turks are I know a few. Turkey is always right and righteous and it's the big bad world that's doing them wrong.
That also kind of sums up your past posts in this thread.
Thats hilarious.
Being anti-PKK means being anti-Kurdish.
I am open to debate any turkish fault or kurdish civilian deaths, what you guys think i really want to hear, turkish troops march east of Turkey and kill everyone? We invade those lands and holding with brute force?
I never say things like im proud of being turk, i find solidarity thing stupid, my best friend is Kurdish, my ex girlfriend was kurdish, i support kurdish democratic autonomy. I hate kemalism and pan-turkism. Wanna hear more?
Think twice before posting bullshit things, knowing few turks does not grant you that right. Turkey has a population of 75 millions, smart guy.
And i would still write the same things if i was not turkish, but lived in Turkey. Pkk doesnt attack professional soldiers, my friend was not a pro soldier, pkk always attacks temporary duty soldiers.
17 of my brothers (all of them were 20-25) killed during that recorded attack. (this movie is in the name of their memory, you should watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fooJI9w7qpo (director is kurdish!) )
We are talking about Syria - Iraq, there is PKK there. As you write your own comments, i write mines. And yeah, i decide how / what im gonna write about. Because i find necessary to inform you guys what PKK really is. So a murder like that, can be triggered thanks to weapons that are sent from WEST, and im focusing on that topic, if you excuse me..
What would you focus on if Netherlands had a border with ISIS and Kurdish Netherland-haters armed by Germany. Its so easy to be like you, but its my nation may blow up, not yours.
Yes but Turkey is just one fvcked up government trying to rule completely over the people with no freedom. How can there be any honor in Turkish tanks at the border sitting idle while Kobane falls. Turkey will obviously advance but once the city is fallen and the Kurds have retreated or are dead. Imo, Turkey should never have joined NATO and EU but sadly that messed up government can be listened to and defended for their own interests. Oh, have you guys given up on staging the Syria attack on Turkey and covering it up on social media in order to get NATO to attack Assad? My blood boils thinking of Erdogan!
Anbar is one of the most useless places in Iraq the Mideast (and that's saying something). The Iraqi forces can hold onto Haditha area and their military bases and other holdings in the province, while focusing more on liberating actual useful places in the Saladin, Diyala, and Ninawa provinces first. Then they can come back full force and remove all the durkas in Anbar. Repeat the Tawakal ala Allah Operations that dropped Khomeini and Islamic jihadists and forces of Iran to their knees; the same should be done with ISIS. However, when the generals responsible for Iraq's victories are either executed since 2003 or are with ISIS and the new Iraqi military is a joke of a force, well... good luck Iraq LOL. While it's true that Iraqi forces and allied airstrikes have probably killed thousands of ISIS fighters, the Iraqi military is still a shadow of its old self in terms of strategic and organizational quality.
Turkish side-stepping is quite interesting. This article is a pretty nice read.
Fom the sky, U.S. warplanes have been dropping bombs to impede the advance of militant Islamist fighters on the Syrian border city of Kobani.
On the ground nearby, a formidable array of Turkish tanks and troops appears to be the best-positioned force to turn back the militants with Islamic State, but the Turks’ focus is elsewhere. The military is busy corralling Kurdish activists enraged at the extremist threat to Kobani, a largely Kurdish enclave.
Though the Turkish soldiers can see the militants and hear the American warplanes — and on Monday could glimpse at least one Islamic State flag flying over the eastern outskirts of Kobani as the fighting continued — no one here expects to see their tanks crossing the border any time soon to aid the city’s outgunned Kurdish militiamen.
Nor are the Turks allowing volunteers and military supplies passage to the city, where U.S. air power alone, especially limited by the possible presence of civilians, is unlikely to dislodge the militants as they fight their way into Kobani’s streets.
“If [the Turks] wanted to do something they would have” already, said Huseyn Yuka, mayor of a nearby ethnic Kurdish village, repeating a common refrain among frustrated Kurds. “The border is full of ISIS,” he added, using a common acronym for Islamic State.
The lack of a unified approach between North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies Washington and Ankara is on full display here in the drab, isolated borderlands between northern Syria and southern Turkey.
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“Half of ISIS entered Syria through the Turkish border,” said Sebahat Tuncel, an opposition Kurdish lawmaker who scoffed at officials’ insistence that Turkey has aided only “moderate” rebels fighting Assad. “For two years, Turkey has been sneaking in arms and food and support to the Nusra and ISIS while publicly saying it does nothing,” she added, referring to Al Nusra Front, the official Al Qaeda franchise in Syria.
On October 07 2014 22:44 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:31 shin ken wrote: My friend can watch street fights between Kurds and muslim people from his appartment since yesterday...
...in Germany.
the conflict's going global! I told him he should tape it on camera.
Kurds are Muslim too lol
Well only some of them. The news says it's yazidi kurds vs. chechen muslims. The police stopped them yesterday, but apparently they don't got enough.
"Some" being over 90%, but yeah. I think the fight must have been far more ethnically motivated than religiously, or more likely the fact that those people were protesting against ISIS, whereas there are jackasses who support ISIS like some of those chechens. Found something earlier: src
Saying "Kurds vs Muslims" makes about as much sense as saying "French vs Catholics".
edit: although, to be fair, the Kurds have been, for some time now, propagating a form of ethnic nationalism, whereas the Islamists are religious universalists. Just as the fundamentalists were ideologically at odds with the Arab nationalists, they are too with Kurdish nationalism (and any other kind of ethnic nationalism, at least rhetorically).
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius says discussions are taking place with Turkey on the situation with Islamic State fighters on the Syrian border, telling lawmakers, 'For Kobane, we are mobilizing' - @Reuters
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says Syrian Kurdish town of Kobane is about to fall and a ground operation is needed to defeat Islamic State - @AFP, @AP
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