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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
October 02 2014 17:39 GMT
#4741
Turkey approves military operations in Iraq, Syria

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7166e9bbd7af4565b9370e7da2d2b1da/turkey-considers-iraq-syria-incursions
Yes im
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 02 2014 17:45 GMT
#4742
They will stop at the Tomb of Suleiman which ISIS has surrounded.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 02 2014 19:29 GMT
#4743




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
October 02 2014 20:30 GMT
#4744
Al Nusra and other nutjob fractions solidarizing with IS the moment they are attacked by western powers was to be expected. Shit nevertheless.

Does anyone know something about clashes between Al Nusra and Lebanon after Al Nusra beheaded another lebanese soldier last week? Or how it looks in the Golan hights right now?

I also wonder what Iran's (or the Kurds or the IS) reaction will be if Turkey marches into Syria? I get the feeling if the Syrian Kurds lose in Kobane, they will be fucked and the war as a whole will escalate further drawing more countries and soldiers into the meatgrinder.

Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 02:22:33
October 02 2014 22:40 GMT
#4745
On October 03 2014 05:30 AngryMag wrote:
Al Nusra and other nutjob fractions solidarizing with IS the moment they are attacked by western powers was to be expected. Shit nevertheless.

Does anyone know something about clashes between Al Nusra and Lebanon after Al Nusra beheaded another lebanese soldier last week? Or how it looks in the Golan hights right now?

I also wonder what Iran's (or the Kurds or the IS) reaction will be if Turkey marches into Syria? I get the feeling if the Syrian Kurds lose in Kobane, they will be fucked and the war as a whole will escalate further drawing more countries and soldiers into the meatgrinder.



Most likely, Iran will get mad that their influence in Syria and Iraq is being lost to the US, Russia, and/or bilateral inter-Arab relations. Iran's whole purpose is destabilizing places like Iraq, alienating Syria from other Arab states, and supporting Islamist agendas in Lebanon through Hezbollah. Iran is one of the bigtime no-good players as far as Mideast stability goes.

I don't know what the Kurds think but the ones in Turkey and Iraq are stirring all kinds of secessionist/anti-diplomatic threats even with the addition of territory outside of their administrative bounds lately. Even now, Ocalan threatens end of PKK/Turkish Kurdish negotiations with Turkey.

It's interesting to observe that IS losses in Iraq have seriously influenced IS to open a more serious offensive in Syria over the past couple weeks, as if to compensate for their deteriorating hold in Iraq.

Anbar-based Sunni militias, once the backbone of IS in Iraq since January, are fighting them in full force now. Many of these militias were fighting the Iraqi military just a month or two ago.

Fighting between the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and Sunni militias is raging in the west of Iraq's Anbar province, with a fierce battle taking place for control of the strategic town of Heet. The latest large-scale IS offensive in Iraq is against Heet, in an attempt to gain more of a hold in Anbar. Apparently, the battle is still ongoing and was kicked off by the standard massive suicide bombings IS does whenever they attack a place >_>

ISIL had reportedly seized control of most of the town on Thursday, but Sunni militias, fighting on behalf of Iraq's government, swiftly denied the claim saying the battle was ongoing.

State television said the armed group had occupied the mayor's office and police station but were locked in fighting with the local Sunni Albu Nimr tribe.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/10/isil-sunni-militias-battle-iraqi-town-201410281343980744.html

The article also says that Heet is also near one of the Iraqi military's largest bases, Ain Al-Asad (literally Eyes of the Lion if I'm not mistaken). Glad to see forces based at the Lion are eating up IS. lol


I usually don't like pulling stuff from RT, but Russia is continuing to make huge arms shipments to Iraq. Now, there's incendiary artillery being sent as well, among helicopters and other things. The nice thing about the incendiary munitions is that it can clear out a larger area, so in open combat, it'll give a much larger advantage to the military forces.

The Iraqi army will soon start using Russia’s Solntsepek (Sun scorch) heavy multi-launch flame-blast weapons, that use fuel-air explosive munitions for eliminating enemy’s manpower and hardware on vast areas at a time, RIA Novosti reported, citing Almada Press news agency. The weapons have been delivered under the contract signed in July 2014.

http://rt.com/news/192528-iraq-russia-air-defense/

Has the US delivered those F-16s yet? I haven't been able to find anything on that.

But at the rate ISIS is losing personnel, I think they're just losing more and more. Their successes in Iraq in June-August have been turned upside-down, probably losing them a ton of street cred and rep (why fight for the losing side?), and I doubt their recruitment is even a fraction of what it was during the summer.

For example, this is a summary of deaths just from October 1st, and this doesn't even include fighting in some places like in the northerly parts of the country.
http://original.antiwar.com/updates/2014/10/01/baghdad-bombed-as-forces-retake-more-towns-175-killed-across-iraq/

I don't know if NINA and Iraqinews.com articles quoted in the link above are just Iraqi propaganda or have some legitimacy, but tons of other sources say there's lots of fighting going on in places like Tikrit and Fallujah and Ramadi and that ISIS is losing a lot. I don't think their fighting is sustainable. Even in Anbar, where they've dug themselves in well since January, they're losing ground, despite their Assassin's Creed jihad-edition surprise suicide bomb way of fighting against security forces.

Syria, different story... :/
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
October 03 2014 03:32 GMT
#4746
I hope the Kurds are able to hold but it is looking very grim.
Yes im
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 14:29:53
October 03 2014 14:28 GMT
#4747
A cut from Erdogan's message to Suleyman Sah Tomb personnel :

"If necessary, Turkish Armed Forces immediately and without hesitation, will be with you."

And prime minister Davutoglu:

"We wouldn't want Kobane to fall. We'll do whatever we can to prevent this from happening," Davutoğlu said in a discussion with journalists.

"No other country has the capacity to affect the developments in Syria and Iraq. No other country will be affected like us either," he said.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-will-try-to-stop-isil-taking-kurdish-border-town-pm-davutoglu.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72487&NewsCatID=338


And i dont know if you guys found the original statement but: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-government-gets-ok-for-military-operations-in-syria-iraq.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72482&NewsCatID=338

As the article says, there is like only 1 sentence including ISIS, there are like 10 statements about ESAD and how dangerous he is for our national security. LEL.

I wont be surprised if our guys start bombing esad and kurds instead of ISIS.

ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
October 03 2014 15:53 GMT
#4748
On October 03 2014 23:28 pls no ty wrote:
A cut from Erdogan's message to Suleyman Sah Tomb personnel :

"If necessary, Turkish Armed Forces immediately and without hesitation, will be with you."

And prime minister Davutoglu:

"We wouldn't want Kobane to fall. We'll do whatever we can to prevent this from happening," Davutoğlu said in a discussion with journalists.

"No other country has the capacity to affect the developments in Syria and Iraq. No other country will be affected like us either," he said.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-will-try-to-stop-isil-taking-kurdish-border-town-pm-davutoglu.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72487&NewsCatID=338


And i dont know if you guys found the original statement but: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-government-gets-ok-for-military-operations-in-syria-iraq.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72482&NewsCatID=338

As the article says, there is like only 1 sentence including ISIS, there are like 10 statements about ESAD and how dangerous he is for our national security. LEL.

I wont be surprised if our guys start bombing esad and kurds instead of ISIS.



What do you think should happen ?
Yes im
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 03 2014 17:38 GMT
#4749
Australia's cabinet Friday authorized the deployment of special forces and military air strikes to tackle the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL), Prime Minister Tony Abbott said, a day after the Turkish government won parliamentary approval to deploy troops in Iraq and Syria.

"Today, cabinet has authorized Australian airstrikes in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi government and in support of the Iraqi government," Abbott said. "Also, subject to final legal documentation, cabinet has authorized the deployment of Australian special forces into Iraq to advise and assist Iraqi forces."


Source


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 21:08:56
October 03 2014 20:53 GMT
#4750
On October 04 2014 00:53 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 23:28 pls no ty wrote:
A cut from Erdogan's message to Suleyman Sah Tomb personnel :

"If necessary, Turkish Armed Forces immediately and without hesitation, will be with you."

And prime minister Davutoglu:

"We wouldn't want Kobane to fall. We'll do whatever we can to prevent this from happening," Davutoğlu said in a discussion with journalists.

"No other country has the capacity to affect the developments in Syria and Iraq. No other country will be affected like us either," he said.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-will-try-to-stop-isil-taking-kurdish-border-town-pm-davutoglu.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72487&NewsCatID=338


And i dont know if you guys found the original statement but: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-government-gets-ok-for-military-operations-in-syria-iraq.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72482&NewsCatID=338

As the article says, there is like only 1 sentence including ISIS, there are like 10 statements about ESAD and how dangerous he is for our national security. LEL.

I wont be surprised if our guys start bombing esad and kurds instead of ISIS.



What do you think should happen ?


For now, Turkey should seek & destroy every arabic rat near Kobane. Or else, Germany and Nato forces will continue arming Kurdish forces including terrorist ones.

Turkey's clear aims by this buffer zone:

1 ) Transporting 1.5 - 2 million Syrians back to their homeland! (MOST IMPORTANT!) They are melting down the economy, number is crazy!

2 ) Controlling the arm traffic between Germany and PKK ! I dont know why the hell Germany plays enemy role to Turkey but this is obvious. You know what they said after "friends do not spy on each other" thing, Turkey is not our friend, but an ally. Even if we made peace with Kurds, they are not reliable. I dont want to wake up a day of " TURKISH TROOPS AMBUSHED TO DEATH" thanks to high-tech german weapons.

3) ISIS threat should be controlled. Nobody can wipe them out. Or i think, nobody will ever try. But Turkish army can force them back for a while. This must be our first duty because we made great mistakes as US vice president states: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-vice-president-biden-says-turkish-president-erdogan-admitted-isil-mistake.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72530&NewsCatID=359

Well, in Turkey we all know Erdogan armed those jihadists to bitchslap Esad and at first, we did not raise our voice. It was a payback thing, we all agreed the idea. Syria did the same thing years ago by helping PKK and Esad did this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2012_interception_of_Turkish_aircraft you probably know, following days shelling some of our cities, causing civilian casualties.

After securing KOBANE, whats gonna happen? I really dont know. Its all about Kurdish-Turkish relations and Esads position. This army hates ESAD / KURDS more than ISIS.

However, there is no lesser evil. Turkey should correct its fault. MY BODY IS READY!

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AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
October 03 2014 21:11 GMT
#4751
IS beheaded Alan Henning (british aid worker). In the video they announced that they'll murder US citizen Peter Kassig next.

IS now attacking Kobane itself, according to CNN and the Syrian Observation thing there is fighting going on in the southwest of the town
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 21:43:20
October 03 2014 21:42 GMT
#4752
British aid worker Alan Henning has been beheaded by ISIS fighter Jihadi John in a video online video posted by the terror group.

Before he is killed, a gaunt and tired looking Mr Henning gives a short forced speech in which he blames his execution on Parliament's decision to launch strikes against Islamic State in Iraq.

The clip, which is in English with Arabic subtitles, then shows Jihadi John stepping forward to cut Mr Henning's throat before it cuts to black, then shows his body lying on the desert floor.

He says: 'I am Alan Henning. Because of our parliament’s decision to attack the Islamic state I as a member of the British public will now pay the price for that decision.'

In a thick London accent, the fighter adds: 'The blood of David Haines was on your hands Cameron, Alan Henning will also be slaughtered but his blood is on the hands of the British parliament.'
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 01:06:37
October 04 2014 01:06 GMT
#4753
30 villages in Diyala province have been liberated.

Iraqi military forces backed by Shia volunteer fighters have recaptured 30 villages from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group east of Baghdad, the ministry of defence has said.

Al Jazeera's Imran Khan, reporting from Baghdad, said that the army was trying to build "offensive chains" in Diyala province.

"What the Iraqi army is trying to do is to link several villages in the area to make, what could only be described as, an 'offensive corridor', where they can cut the ISIL fighters off in the main towns they are in," he said.

Khan added that the main ISIL strongholds in Diyala province were the towns of Sadiyah, Jalawla and Khanaqin.

An Iraqi soldier told the Reuters news agency that a school in one of the recaptured towns had been used by ISIL as a headquarters and for making explosives.

src

Heavy fighting still going on in Heet

Fierce fighting continues over the control of the town of Hit in the western province of Anbar for the second consecutive day.

"The gunmen came back today and attacked several areas. They [ISIL militants] clashed with the security forces and they now control three neighborhoods in the city," one police officer said.

Another police officer said government forces are still controlling the rest of Hit, particularly the roads leading northwest to Syria and east to Tikrit.

...

Meanwhile, Iraqi troops and Kurdish forces along with Shia volunteers have pushed the Takfiri militants from the west of Tuz Khormato town in Saladin Province after recapturing at least nine villages in the region.

"At 5:00 am (0200 GMT), Peshmerga and Iraqi forces attacked several areas, going from Tuz Khurmatu towards Tikrit, to reach Zerga bridge, a strategic link between the two," Mullah Karim Shukur, a senior official in the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, said.

The ISIL terrorists retreated from the area after blowing up Zerga Bridge over the Tigris River.

At least 16 militants were killed in Iraqi airstrikes against the ISIL terrorists north of Tuz Khurmatu, near Taza, on Friday.

src
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2014 02:28 GMT
#4754
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
October 04 2014 03:08 GMT
#4755
On October 04 2014 11:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNP7sYI0eXM



The difference between having air power and not.
Yes im
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 04 2014 08:56 GMT
#4756
Pimp my ride Aleppo style:

frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 12:37:08
October 04 2014 10:36 GMT
#4757
nm
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2014 16:15 GMT
#4758




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 21:39:18
October 04 2014 19:23 GMT
#4759
Erdogans reaction to his close friend Biden: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-president-erdogan-demands-apology-if-biden-uttered-isil-remarks.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72531&NewsCatID=510

and more of it

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pkk-isil-same-for-turkey-president-erdogan-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72533&NewsCatID=338



edit: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/04/biden-apologizes-to-turkish-president-over-remarks/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkish-president-demands-apology-biden-25961381
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 22:30:51
October 04 2014 22:16 GMT
#4760
On October 05 2014 04:23 pls no ty wrote:
Erdogans reaction to his close friend Biden: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-president-erdogan-demands-apology-if-biden-uttered-isil-remarks.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72531&NewsCatID=510

and more of it

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pkk-isil-same-for-turkey-president-erdogan-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72533&NewsCatID=338



edit: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/04/biden-apologizes-to-turkish-president-over-remarks/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkish-president-demands-apology-biden-25961381


This man is really the worst politician I have ever seen, but I am thankful. At least we wont have to see a muslim country in the EU for now (until France converts). Everyone knows that Turkey at least did not stop any foreign fighters from entering into Syria and also it can be reasonably assumed that they delivered weapons or at least did not stop private persons from delivering weapons. If you want to know the reason why Germany is training and equipping Kurds look at this man. He is the biggest threat to Europe after Russia.

Loosely translated from German (you probably have better sources):

"Democracy is only a train we ride until we reach our destination. Our mosques are our barracks,our minarets are our bayonets, Our domes are our helmets and the faithful are our soldiers." - Erdogan in Siirt 1997 (1998?)

And guess what? Turkish democracy has been undermined almost completely. Secularists are all but powerless now and islamists are gaining more and more ground in Turkey.

How could anyone ever get the idea that he symphatises with/is a radical islamists. Treasonous thoughts!

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