Though I'm surprised that 30% of military personal want to be anywhere near a place they could be killed by crazy jihadists. The only people that want anything to do with boots on the ground in Iraq/Syria are the ones sitting in comfy chairs.
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Though I'm surprised that 30% of military personal want to be anywhere near a place they could be killed by crazy jihadists. The only people that want anything to do with boots on the ground in Iraq/Syria are the ones sitting in comfy chairs. | ||
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Iran: With Iraq’s then-Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, losing his grip on the country, Iran quickly decided to send military advisers, drones and, by some accounts, Iranian-piloted fighter jets. This decision to intervene was unusually bold. Previously, Iran’s leaders have been circumspect about overt foreign intervention, preferring to operate through local proxies, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon. When the Afghan Taliban — another puritanical Sunni movement with a special hatred for Iran — overran the city of Mazar-i-Sharif and executed eight Iranian diplomats in August 1998, Iran massed 70,000 troops on the border and threatened to invade. But Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, after deliberating for a few days, decided that an invasion, though militarily feasible, was not worth the risks. More recently, Iran has denied supporting Syria’s President Bashar Assad in Syria’s civil war, despite ample evidence to the contrary. However, in the case of Iraq, the Iranians believe that they have too much to lose by standing on the sidelines. Iraq became Iran’s closest Arab ally soon after Saddam Hussein’s regime fell in 2003. In addition to their close political ties, bilateral trade has soared, to $12 billion in 2013. As a result, Iran is more explicit about the need to intervene. But an interventionist policy has its dissenters. Beyond the need to protect the central government in Baghdad, some critics are questioning the assumption that Iraq’s Shiite majority necessarily implies Shiite political dominance. Etemad, a moderate Iranian newspaper, warns that Iran’s support for Maliki has alienated too many Iraqi Sunnis and Kurds over the last eight years, and that given Iraq’s multi-denominational character, majoritarian democracy based on a unified Shiite electoral bloc “will certainly mean the continuation of the crisis in Iraq.” Read the rest here: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/28/commentary/iran-has-its-dissenters-on-intervention-in-iraq/#.VChXdvk7vPo Iraqi government: Discussions about the latest turns in U.S. military policy in Iraq have centered on President Obama’s plan to “degrade and destroy” the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Yet that conversation doesn’t seem to include the elephant in the room – how to end abuses by the Iraqi government and its allies. Obama has steered clear of pressing Baghdad on even nominal security system reforms, despite extensive documentation of abuses by Iraqi security forces, and their infiltration by the very Shia militias that have wantonly killed Iraqis and American soldiers. Until only a few months ago, the U.S. was supplying military hardware and training the forces operating under former Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s direction without meaningful human rights vetting of those forces. Instead of turning a blind eye to ongoing abuses for the sake of hitting ISIS, the administration needs a much broader plan, alongside its military plan, that addresses this core issue. ISIS’s spectacular gains in Iraq and its horrifically brutal tactics there and in Syria have diverted attention from the critical need for the Iraqi government to stop using abusive tactics, especially if President Obama and his allies hope to undermine the militant group. ... Over the past year, as the U.S. continued to ship military aid to Baghdad, Human Rights Watch documented unspeakable abuses by forces loyal to the Maliki government: indiscriminate air strikes that killed hundreds or even thousands of civilians in Sunni areas; torture and extrajudicial killings in prisons; a justice system that seemed exponentially more abusive than just; and, most recently, Maliki’s incorporation of Shia militia into the government’s security forces to the extent that the two are now effectively indistinguishable. ... No one, least of all the U.S., now refutes the fact that Maliki’s abusive sectarian rule alienated the Sunnis who led the Awakening Councils that defeated al-Qaida. Many of them are now backing ISIS and need to be brought back to the other side for there to be any viable anti-ISIS strategy. The U.S. needs to explain why it is supporting the new government and how it will address past abuses. It needs to redouble its efforts to engage with Sunni leaders to prevent further sectarian abuses and press for full accountability for past abuses against members of the Sunni Awakening Councils by Maliki’s security forces. Washington should also investigate whether militias have taken advantage of the latest U.S. intervention to carry out further abuses, say how it plans to deal with them and insist that the new Iraqi government puts a stop to these abuses. That’s essential to make sure that efforts to rid Mosul and Tikrit of ISIS won’t result in reprisal killings and other attacks on Sunni civilians there. Read more at: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/why-iraqs-greatest-enemy-may-be-itself I'm not able to find much news on fighting going on from Arabic news sites, but I was able to come across this from Sunday. I'll try to look for more later. Baghdad: Iraqi pro-government forces backed by warplanes on Sunday repelled a militant attack on a strategic town only 40 kilometres (25 miles) west of the capital Baghdad, security sources said. Daesh attacked Amriyat Al Fallujah at around 1:00 am (2200 GMT on Saturday), local police chief Aref Al Janabi told AFP. “They attacked from two sides... The fighting lasted five hours,” he said, adding that soldiers, policemen and Sunni tribesmen were fighting together to defend the town. “Warplanes eventually engaged the insurgents and killed 15 of them,” he said. According to Janabi, the Daesh military leader in the nearby city of Fallujah - whom he named as Mullah Jassem Mohammad Hamad - was killed leading the attack. http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iraq/iraq-forces-repel-daesh-attack-near-baghdad-1.1391216 | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Keep in mind the amount of casualties that the Iranian armed forces have suffered in Iraq is entirely separate from those that have died in Syria. Which could easily be in the thousands and Iran saying they have yet to reveal their full force potential should be taken with a grain of salt. You're going to have to forgive my ignorance on this specific matter, but you're saying 1,000s of Iranian soldiers may have died in Syria in the course of the civil war? I didn't realize there was so colossal of an Iranian presence there that they could have lost that many personnel. To be honest, I don't know too much about direct Iranian military statistics and casualties in either country. | ||
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On September 29 2014 05:20 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: You're going to have to forgive my ignorance on this specific matter, but you're saying 1,000s of Iranian soldiers may have died in Syria in the course of the civil war? Yes. Whether in the form of advisers via Qudz force, or just regular volunteers. the civil war has been going on for over 3 years now. There are dozens of incidents of bodies of Iranian soldiers/intelligence officers being discovered, look at this Spring offensive where a colonel's body and notes were found giving details on the shambles that was the Assad government and it's forces. Such figures is not out of the realm of possibility. | ||
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I am not 100% sure whether this is true or not but I will definately try to search the media/internet, if the stories keep popping up it is likely that it doesn't get pulled out of thin air. I can give some sources but you have to request them via PM as they contain graphic and very gruesome material. | ||
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Anyways, beyond efforts to rein in Sunni militias in Anbar and former Baath generals (including those responsible for ISIS's success) and reforming the Iraqi military, the Iraqi government is also calling deserters to rejoin the Iraqi military. QUSH TAPA, Iraq — The Iraqi military command has launched a campaign to re-enlist soldiers and officers who abandoned their units, a crucial step in its effort to rebuild an army that has been routed in battle after battle by Islamic State jihadists. Even as the government has continued to equip volunteers, the de facto amnesty for deserters is an acknowledgment that the army desperately needs experienced soldiers — even ones who ran — for a force that is sustaining heavy losses despite the American-led airstrike campaign against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS. Army officials at re-enlistment centers in Baghdad and in the northern Kurdistan region say they have seen some success in the effort. More than 6,000 soldiers and officers, including those who were sent home by their commanders as well as those who fled unilaterally, had registered at a military outpost here in Kurdistan, and more than 5,000 had signed up in Baghdad, officials said. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/29/world/middleeast/iraq-army-woos-deserters-back-to-war-on-isis.html?_r=0 Apparently among some, morale is low, but we have Maliki to thank for that. Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Congress this month that of the 50 Iraqi brigades the United States military had assessed, 26 were deemed to be “reputable partners.” “They seem to have a certain cohesion and a commitment to the central government,” General Dempsey said. The remainder, he said, had problems with “infiltration and leadership and sectarianism.” ... Most of the soldiers said they had retreated on orders from superiors. Others said there were never orders: Their commanders simply vanished and, lacking leadership, the soldiers followed. “There was no ISIS, there was no fighting,” recalled Ahmed Mohammad, 30, who was a sergeant assigned to a unit of the 12th Division at a base near Kirkuk. “Our commander said, ‘Leave your weapons and go home.’ ” “I don’t know how to describe the feeling when a commander is weak like that,” he said. “Our leaders ran away,” added Mr. Fawzi, a soldier who had been posted on Hamreen Mountain near Baiji in Salahuddin Province. “We were feeling betrayed. We were feeling that the high commanders betrayed us and betrayed our country.” Maliki's stooges at work back in June. Thanks Maliki for the sectarianism and the shit commanders you forced in place. Honestly, the restoration of former Iraqi generals, assuming it actually happens, will be the best thing to happen to the nation's armed forces since the US disbanded the whole military in 2003. At least they were competent, disciplined, and very skilled officers. Maliki's goons were just complete failures and sectarianists like himself, hence the desertions and failures. | ||
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A couple recent developments in Anbar: ISIS takes the towns of Abu Etha and al-Hamdhiya, but allegedly other territory was recaptured by military forces. (See spoiler) + Show Spoiler + The militant group has captured Albu Etha and al-Hamdhiya, Faleh al-Issawi, deputy head of Anbar provincial council, said by phone today. He said some Iraqi troops were killed and others deserted their posts, without giving details. Earlier the head of the Anbar council, Sabah Karhout, had said that at least two battalions of the Iraqi army, or 260 men, were trapped near Albu Etha, and that efforts were being made to send reinforcements and enable them to break the siege. The clashes are taking place in a region where U.S.-led airstrikes are seeking to roll back the insurgents’ advance. Karhout and al-Issawi said that Islamic State controls at least half of the city of Ramadi, the provincial capital, though they said that elsewhere in Anbar the airstrikes have enabled security forces to recapture territory. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-09-29/iraqi-troops-trapped-by-islamic-state-as-fighting-rages-in-west ISIS's hand was forced, and they made an attack against Amariya al-Fallujah, a very important strategic town near Fallujah. Meanwhile, two interviewed sheikhs in the nearby area are rallying fighters against ISIS. See the video near the top of the news page for more info. on this as well. The article also includes information about the fighting in Syria and Kurds prevented from crossing into Syria from Turkey to assist embattled fighters at Kobani. + Show Spoiler + Iraqi ground forces, backed by air strikes, appear to have halted advancing Islamic State (IS) militants in a town west of Baghdad. The BBC's Lyse Doucet in the Iraqi capital says the air strikes followed clashes with IS militants, who have been making gains towards the capital. Amariya al-Falluja, 40km (25 miles) from Baghdad, is a key strategic town. It comes as a US-led coalition continues to carry out air strikes on IS targets in Syria and Iraq. The area around Amariya al-Falluja is now said to be calm, but there is a standoff along the main road to Falluja to the north, which is controlled by IS, our correspondent says. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29408101 A dam in Muqdadiyah, northeast of Baghdad, has been recaptured from the Islamic State. + Show Spoiler + The Iraqi army and an alliance of Shiite militia groups on Saturday retook a dam northeast of Baghdad after days of fighting believed to have killed dozens, security sources said. Fighting has been raging for days around Muqdadiyah, in Diyala province, around 90 kilometers from Baghdad, between militants from the Islamic State group and pro-government forces. "We are now in full control of the dam," said an army lieutenant colonel, adding that the final stages of the operation on Saturday had left seven IS militants dead. http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/45369-140927-mosul-dam-retaken-from-is-iraqi-army Council members from Mosul push forward plans to form a militia to retake Mosul. + Show Spoiler + Iraqi leaders who have left the Mosul area since its takeover by Islamic State are plotting to form a militia to take back the embattled city. According to a report in government-owned Dubai newspaper The National, council members for Mosul and the regional governor say that the militia would join forces with the U.S.-led coalition fighting the extremist Sunni militants in Iraq, as well as in Syria. Washington and its Arab allies opened their air assault against the extremist group last week, going after its military facilities, training camps, heavy weapons and oil installations. The campaign has expanded upon air strikes the United States has been conducting against the militants in Iraq since early August. It aims to roll back the extremists gains in Syria and Iraq, and ultimately to destroy the group. The exiled Iraqi leaders are currently based in Iraqi Kurdistan. Agreeing on the details of the plan has proven complicated, The National reported, although they agree that a militia force is vital for taking back the city. The Islamic State group has seized control of a huge chunk of Syria and Iraq, and has declared the establishment of a self-styled caliphate ruled by its strict interpretation of Shariah law there. Its brutal tactics, which include mass killings and beheadings, have helped galvanize the international community to go after the militants. “It is clear that we, the people and leaders of Mosul, must take a lead role in liberating our city,” The National cited Bashar Mahmoud, a Kurd who heads the regional council, as saying. “We must have military officers and experts who know and understand our people.” ... http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.618200 ========================================================================================= LOL this video is funny. It's the trailer for a parody series satirizing ISIS premiering in Iraq. The first version of the trailer is in the video below, but a second version was produced last minute to remove Qatari Sheikha Mozah and the American cowboy, for reasons in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + But if the show is Baghdad’s new weapon in the war against ISIS, then its very first shots were a friendly fire blunder that sparked controversy even as the series premiered on Saturday. The trailer that Iraqiya state TV had been showing several times a day for weeks plays on a belief widely held in Iraq that ISIS was created by the CIA, Israel and Gulf monarchies to sow chaos. With the United States now leading an aerial bombing campaign which also involves several Gulf countries against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, the Iraqi Media Network production company had to order a last-minute reshoot. The first version of the trailer (below), which is still widely available on the internet, opens with a cartoon-like devil character brandishing a fork leading a column of jihadist fighters through the desert. ... The Baghdadi figure that grows out of the shell then leads a choir of officers from Saddam Hussein’s ex-ruling Baath party into reciting his programme of blood-letting for Iraq with the refrain: “O beheader, where are you?” In a Pulp Fiction-style slow-motion finale, the “caliph” ends up shooting all the Baathists one by one, a not-so-subtle Faustian warning that he who bargains with the devil chooses his own demise. src 1 src 2 src 3 Raw video: | ||
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On September 30 2014 06:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: The situation in Anbar is pretty confusing. There's lots of territory exchanges going on between ISIS and Iraq, but however, increased Iraqi military presence and local leaders rallying the A couple recent developments in Anbar: ISIS takes the towns of Abu Etha and al-Hamdhiya, but allegedly other territory was recaptured by military forces. (See spoiler) + Show Spoiler + The militant group has captured Albu Etha and al-Hamdhiya, Faleh al-Issawi, deputy head of Anbar provincial council, said by phone today. He said some Iraqi troops were killed and others deserted their posts, without giving details. Earlier the head of the Anbar council, Sabah Karhout, had said that at least two battalions of the Iraqi army, or 260 men, were trapped near Albu Etha, and that efforts were being made to send reinforcements and enable them to break the siege. The clashes are taking place in a region where U.S.-led airstrikes are seeking to roll back the insurgents’ advance. Karhout and al-Issawi said that Islamic State controls at least half of the city of Ramadi, the provincial capital, though they said that elsewhere in Anbar the airstrikes have enabled security forces to recapture territory. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-09-29/iraqi-troops-trapped-by-islamic-state-as-fighting-rages-in-west ISIS's hand was forced, and they made an attack against Amariya al-Fallujah, a very important strategic town near Fallujah. Meanwhile, two interviewed sheikhs in the nearby area are rallying fighters against ISIS. See the video near the top of the news page for more info. on this as well. The article also includes information about the fighting in Syria and Kurds prevented from crossing into Syria from Turkey to assist embattled fighters at Kobani. + Show Spoiler + Iraqi ground forces, backed by air strikes, appear to have halted advancing Islamic State (IS) militants in a town west of Baghdad. The BBC's Lyse Doucet in the Iraqi capital says the air strikes followed clashes with IS militants, who have been making gains towards the capital. Amariya al-Falluja, 40km (25 miles) from Baghdad, is a key strategic town. It comes as a US-led coalition continues to carry out air strikes on IS targets in Syria and Iraq. The area around Amariya al-Falluja is now said to be calm, but there is a standoff along the main road to Falluja to the north, which is controlled by IS, our correspondent says. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29408101 A dam in Muqdadiyah, northeast of Baghdad, has been recaptured from the Islamic State. + Show Spoiler + The Iraqi army and an alliance of Shiite militia groups on Saturday retook a dam northeast of Baghdad after days of fighting believed to have killed dozens, security sources said. Fighting has been raging for days around Muqdadiyah, in Diyala province, around 90 kilometers from Baghdad, between militants from the Islamic State group and pro-government forces. "We are now in full control of the dam," said an army lieutenant colonel, adding that the final stages of the operation on Saturday had left seven IS militants dead. http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/45369-140927-mosul-dam-retaken-from-is-iraqi-army Council members from Mosul push forward plans to form a militia to retake Mosul. + Show Spoiler + Iraqi leaders who have left the Mosul area since its takeover by Islamic State are plotting to form a militia to take back the embattled city. According to a report in government-owned Dubai newspaper The National, council members for Mosul and the regional governor say that the militia would join forces with the U.S.-led coalition fighting the extremist Sunni militants in Iraq, as well as in Syria. Washington and its Arab allies opened their air assault against the extremist group last week, going after its military facilities, training camps, heavy weapons and oil installations. The campaign has expanded upon air strikes the United States has been conducting against the militants in Iraq since early August. It aims to roll back the extremists gains in Syria and Iraq, and ultimately to destroy the group. The exiled Iraqi leaders are currently based in Iraqi Kurdistan. Agreeing on the details of the plan has proven complicated, The National reported, although they agree that a militia force is vital for taking back the city. The Islamic State group has seized control of a huge chunk of Syria and Iraq, and has declared the establishment of a self-styled caliphate ruled by its strict interpretation of Shariah law there. Its brutal tactics, which include mass killings and beheadings, have helped galvanize the international community to go after the militants. “It is clear that we, the people and leaders of Mosul, must take a lead role in liberating our city,” The National cited Bashar Mahmoud, a Kurd who heads the regional council, as saying. “We must have military officers and experts who know and understand our people.” ... http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.618200 ========================================================================================= LOL this video is funny. It's the trailer for a parody series satirizing ISIS premiering in Iraq. The first version of the trailer is in the video below, but a second version was produced last minute to remove Qatari Sheikha Mozah and the American cowboy, for reasons in the spoiler. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0Gu0PlNjI + Show Spoiler + But if the show is Baghdad’s new weapon in the war against ISIS, then its very first shots were a friendly fire blunder that sparked controversy even as the series premiered on Saturday. The trailer that Iraqiya state TV had been showing several times a day for weeks plays on a belief widely held in Iraq that ISIS was created by the CIA, Israel and Gulf monarchies to sow chaos. With the United States now leading an aerial bombing campaign which also involves several Gulf countries against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, the Iraqi Media Network production company had to order a last-minute reshoot. The first version of the trailer (below), which is still widely available on the internet, opens with a cartoon-like devil character brandishing a fork leading a column of jihadist fighters through the desert. ... The Baghdadi figure that grows out of the shell then leads a choir of officers from Saddam Hussein’s ex-ruling Baath party into reciting his programme of blood-letting for Iraq with the refrain: “O beheader, where are you?” In a Pulp Fiction-style slow-motion finale, the “caliph” ends up shooting all the Baathists one by one, a not-so-subtle Faustian warning that he who bargains with the devil chooses his own demise. src 1 src 2 src 3 Raw video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLBUjzlgONM Why would turkey stop those Kurds from going to Syria to fight against ISIS ? Maybe they are afraid of the security risks? | ||
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On September 30 2014 08:07 ImFromPortugal wrote: Why would turkey stop those Kurds from going to Syria to fight against ISIS ? Maybe they are afraid of the security risks? From the second video in the article, the reporter says that the Turks fear the Kurds wanting to cross the border to Syria will join the Kurdish militias in Syria, which are allied with the Kurdish fighters in Turkey (which has conflicts with the Turkish state), and could launch attacks in Turkey. So yes, the Turks are worried about security risks regarding the Kurds. | ||
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The United Kingdom launched their first airstrikes against Islamic militants in Iraq on Tuesday, officials said. Two Royal Air Force Tornado fighter jets, launched from a base on Akrotiri in the Aegean Sea, were on an "armed reconnaissance mission ... tasked to assist Kurdish troops in northwest Iraq who were under attack from ISIL (ISIS) terrorists," Britain's Ministry of Defense said in a statement. "One Paveway IV guided bomb was used to attack the (ISIS) position," the ministry said. "Following this engagement, the patrol identified an (ISIS) armed pick-up truck in the same area and conducted an attack on the vehicle using a Brimstone missile. An initial assessment indicates that both precision strikes were successful." http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/britain-launches-first-strikes-against-isis-iraq-n215046 Peshmerga and Iraqi military forces make more gains against ISIS, including securing the Iraq-Syria border town of Rabia, contested towns near Kirkuk, and elsewhere. Meanwhile, Turkey considers armed action against ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Fighting between the pesh merga and Islamic State also erupted in Zumar, about 40 miles northwest of Mosul, near the reservoir of the Mosul Dam, officials said. Zumar has been the site of periodic clashes since early August when militants captured the area. Iraqi and Kurdish officials also reported heavy fighting in Daquq, a district located on the main highway connecting the oil-rich area around Kirkuk with the capital, Baghdad. Islamic State fighters seized control of the area during its June push into northern and central Iraq, commandeering the Kirkuk-Baghdad road along with two other major north-south highways, effectively halting ground transportation between central and northern Iraq. With the support of airstrikes by warplanes from the United States-led coalition, Iraqi and Kurdish forces pushed into Daquq on Tuesday morning, taking control of the villages of Sa’ad, Khaled and Wadah, about 20 miles south of Kirkuk, officials said. Government forces also took control of Tazah, a district between Kirkuk and Daquq, officials said. But late Tuesday, Brig. Gen. Hussein Mansour, a division commander for the pesh merga, reported that a counterattack by the insurgents had forced the government troops to retreat from Sa’ad, Khaled and Wadah, allowing the Iraqi Air Force to conduct airstrikes on the militants’ positions. Iraqi officials also reported that Sunni tribal fighters allied with Iraqi government forces were fighting Islamic State militants in the Rashad district on the highway connecting Kirkuk with Tikrit. The participation of Sunni tribal fighters in battle against Islamic State could prove as important a development as the advance itself. Members of the influential Shammar tribe, one of the largest in northwestern Iraq, joined the Kurds in the fighting, a tribal figure said. "Rabia is completely liberated. All of the Shammar are with the Peshmerga and there is full cooperation between us," Abdullah Yawar, a leading member of the tribe, told Reuters. "We believe the U.S. air strikes have helped in containing Islamic State's momentum," said lawmaker Mowaffak al-Rubaie, a former head of Iraq's advisory security council. Iraqi officials said U.S. air strikes, along with strikes by Iraq's own aircraft, had killed dozens of Islamic State fighters the previous day south of the capital. "It appears that 67 (Islamic State) militants were killed in Fadiliya," said an Iraqi security source, referring to a town in the Euphrates valley south of the capital. He said the casualty estimate came from satellite imagery and informants. Al Jazeera's Bernard Smith, reporting from Suruc close to Turkey's southern border, said Turkey's prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu was expected to meet military commanders on Tuesday to spell out Turkey’s strategy against ISIL. "The prime minister is expected to present two motions to parliament authorising Turkish forces to operate in both Iraq and Syria, and to allow foreign forces to use Turkish soil in operations against ISIL," he said. The government previously said it would submit motions to parliament authorising armed forces to take action in Iraq and Syria, so Ankara could join the US-led coalition against the ISIL fighters. Lots more info at these links: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/world/middleeast/isis-iraq-kurds-pesh-merga-syria.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/09/isil-under-heavy-assault-kurds-iraq-2014930124122402745.html http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/30/us-mideast-crisis-idUSKCN0HO12G20140930 | ||
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SAS and American special forces are working with Kurdish fighters on the Iraqi front lines as part of a major offensive to push Isil jihadists back and relieve pressure on the besieged Syria town of Kobane, senior Kurdish military officers have disclosed. The Kurdish forces launched attacks just before dawn on three fronts - Rabia, on the Syrian border, Zummar, a town near Mosul Dam, and a number of villages near Daquq, south of Kirkuk. SAS and American special forces were working along these battle zones as observers on the front lines as well as training Kurdish troops. Brig. Gen. Hikmet also said that discussions were under way to give them a dedicated base near the Kurdish city of Dohuk. Source | ||
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About 100 islamists have returned to Germany from Syria over the past months. Interestingly, only about 1/4 actually saw any kind of military training or combat. According to the police, the returnees are not a problem yet as the majority of them are disappointed with their experience, disillusioned, and have apparently no desire to continue the fight in Germany. They were described at mostly young, unemployed men, with low level of education. | ||
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On October 01 2014 21:17 zatic wrote: There was another piece about German IS recruits on the radio this morning. About 100 islamists have returned to Germany from Syria over the past months. Interestingly, only about 1/4 actually saw any kind of military training or combat. According to the police, the returnees are not a problem yet as the majority of them are disappointed with their experience, disillusioned, and have apparently no desire to continue the fight in Germany. They were described at mostly young, unemployed men, with low level of education. Did they give some kind of source to the 25% claim? I would be very surprised if this number is not just based on pure speculation for the following reasons: -The groups going down there are normally small groups, like 4-5 guys which get down there with the help of smugglers etc. Once in the area they look for contacts to fighting groups which then put them into their units. There is no contingent of 100 german guys fighting in Syria or something like that--> How do they get reliable information about many scattered groups in a civil warzone? German intelligence service hardly has the budget to track them all and get reliable info. - The process against the fella originally from Kosovo who was down there. He is accused of terrorist stuff but he doesn't say anything regarding the accusations. Officials openly stated the difficulties to proof that the guy was indeed involved in terrorist shit because of a lack of witnesses, proof etc. What makes you think that they know what the other 100 guys did out there? I guess the number is based on their own testimonies they gave to their family or the cops and thus completely worthless as they will hardly state anything which could get them in trouble, wouldn't they? In my opinion it is just another dose of government Kool-Aid/propaganda making clear that we do not have a problem regarding fundamental Islam in this country (500 fighters in Syria, according to Hans Georg Maaßen a supporting network of 40000 people actively supporting global Djihad in various legal and illegal organisations and a bigger number of people which do not have problems with fundamental islamic believes, oh and the salafascists movement has annual growth rates of 10-20%). It is really time to confront this problem instead of sugar-coating it, otherwise it'll need just some more armed conflicts in the islamic world (not really a shortage on them nowadays) and their numbers will continue to grow as will their supporting networks which will either lead to an export of fundamental, violent nutjobs in conflict zones and if they ever get strong enough here, they might also start some shit in Germany. | ||
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ISIS opens diplomatic consulate in Istanbul, Turkey’s President denies Istanbul (IraqiNews.com) On Wednesday the so-called Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) claimed that it had opened its first diplomatic consulate in Istanbul. Abu-Omar al-Tunisi, the head of ISIS Foreign Relations announced that ISIS is determined to open its first diplomatic consulate in Istanbul, and in a friendly country like Turkey. Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan firmly denied the ISIS presence in the country, however, an official source in the government anonymously stated that Turkey is developing formal relations with ISIS following al-Tunsi’s announcement that ISIS has opened a consulate in Istanbul. According to Turkish daily Aydinlik, the consulate will provide consular services for all who wish to join the group, send money funds, and will pay the hospital fees of all wounded militants who traveled to Turkey to receive medical treatment. It is noteworthy that Twitter recently suspended an account that belonged to ISIS and had shown the address and contact information of the ISIS consulate in Istanbul. Source Referenced by a few other articles here and here, along with the original article that reported it from Aydinlik Daily here. Now do keep in mind that there isn't any concrete evidence thus far so take it with a carton of salt. Though if this turns out to be true Erdogan must be going completely bonkers... | ||
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On October 02 2014 01:49 AngryMag wrote: Did they give some kind of source to the 25% claim? I would be very surprised if this number is not just based on pure speculation for the following reasons: -The groups going down there are normally small groups, like 4-5 guys which get down there with the help of smugglers etc. Once in the area they look for contacts to fighting groups which then put them into their units. There is no contingent of 100 german guys fighting in Syria or something like that--> How do they get reliable information about many scattered groups in a civil warzone? German intelligence service hardly has the budget to track them all and get reliable info. - The process against the fella originally from Kosovo who was down there. He is accused of terrorist stuff but he doesn't say anything regarding the accusations. Officials openly stated the difficulties to proof that the guy was indeed involved in terrorist shit because of a lack of witnesses, proof etc. What makes you think that they know what the other 100 guys did out there? I guess the number is based on their own testimonies they gave to their family or the cops and thus completely worthless as they will hardly state anything which could get them in trouble, wouldn't they? In my opinion it is just another dose of government Kool-Aid/propaganda making clear that we do not have a problem regarding fundamental Islam in this country (500 fighters in Syria, according to Hans Georg Maaßen a supporting network of 40000 people actively supporting global Djihad in various legal and illegal organisations and a bigger number of people which do not have problems with fundamental islamic believes, oh and the salafascists movement has annual growth rates of 10-20%). It is really time to confront this problem instead of sugar-coating it, otherwise it'll need just some more armed conflicts in the islamic world (not really a shortage on them nowadays) and their numbers will continue to grow as will their supporting networks which will either lead to an export of fundamental, violent nutjobs in conflict zones and if they ever get strong enough here, they might also start some shit in Germany. That would be the first time in the history of everything ever that the police/authorities understate the danger of terrorism. Keep in mind they said 3/4th of the people who returned didn't see training or combat. That doesn't mean that the same ratio is true for the people who stayed. In fact it is only natural that the ones who get there with all kinds of ideas of glory and then just sit around are the first to return home. Also, they said that returnees are not a problem yet, likely because the more hardcore jihadists are still in Syria. If they start to rotate back the situation will of course be different. | ||
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United States41117 Posts
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