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On August 09 2012 08:44 Prof. Protoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 13:35 Scarecrow wrote: Really disappointed. Nowhere near the quality of the first two. Overly long, boring and predictable. The plot was really poorly paced: the beat down and pit needed to come earlier. The finale just felt so limp and plodding, killing the toy tanks until what's her name crashed and died. The catwoman/robin sideshows added very little. The 'Rise' from the pit had almost no emotional impact. It was honestly hard to care about anyone in this movie.
Other issues: stupid Robin shit on the bridge. Needed a more intense Bane final battle for how much he was built up, less of that stupid helicoptor and toy tanks. More Batman and cool gadgets. Either make it a full on Avenger's style blockbuster or give it some real emotional impact, for me it had neither. The script and acting was also sub-par compared to the two previous films. listen to this man! (fitting username btw 
bane's random and silly death matches his silly character.
only person I remotely came close to caring about in this movie was alfred
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One thing I was always bothered by is Batman NEVER USES HIS BATARANGS
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Nolan didn't seem to be a huge fan of those in general. I remember only one scene using them.
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After some thoughts from seeing the film. I feel that the movie has not developed any character to extent that the audience feels attached with the exception of Batman. TDK > TDKR > BB
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Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene.
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On August 09 2012 12:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene. Yar, you really can't please everyone. Except for the few movies that can appeal to a wide audience yet have some sort of takeaway and/or some themes deep enough for the intellectuals (or pseudo-intellectuals if you want to be mean ) to leave satisfied, most movies just can't do everything.
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On August 09 2012 12:34 DoX.) wrote: One thing I was always bothered by is Batman NEVER USES HIS BATARANGS
He did in the first movie, and in this one (when he puts lights out in first and drops ppl in this)
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On August 09 2012 12:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene. It's just that the movie fails both at storytelling and at filming action, mainly for the same reason : Nolan isn't really good at directing.
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On August 10 2012 10:28 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene. It's just that the movie fails both at storytelling and at filming action, mainly for the same reason : Nolan isn't really good at directing. On the contrary, I feel that Nolan is well above average at filming and directing action.
In an industry that's swamped with cheap tactics to hide poor choreography and bad physical acting (shaky cameras, obvious wire work, slow-motion, jerky scene cutting, etc.), Nolan is one of the few that will consistently show fluid action sequences.
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On August 08 2012 07:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 02:29 EpiK wrote:On August 08 2012 01:29 paralleluniverse wrote: I saw the movie today, I enjoyed it a lot. The ending was very satisfying and well done.
However, I'm highly confused about how Batman magically healed from being stabbed. the same way he magically healed from a spinal injury . Lazy writing. He had a dislocated vertebrae, and had 5 months to recover from it. And stab wounds aren't instantly fatal, especially since she wasn't trying to stab him to death. More importantly, he wasn't doing any fancy acrobatics after getting stabbed, he was sitting in a cockpit. So, while it would be eventually fatal, and extremely painful, it's not like you can't move. What you should be asking about is how his leg didn't have any problems in the pit (and afterwards).
I actually agree with you on everything you said. I am more curious about the leg problem, he had 5 months to get his other problems fixed, so not lazy writing. The leg is a curiousity to me though but w/e still loved the movie ^^
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Have seen it a couple of days ago and I thought it was excellent. For me, this one was the best in trilogy. Didn't feel nearly as long as the dark knight where I thought the whole plot with Harvey Two-Face was unnecessary.
Probably few people will agree with me, but in my opinion, it is TDKR>BB>TDK. But that's fine. We can all have different opinions :-)
And I love the soundtrack. The chanting in pit was amazing and gave me chills.
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I love it when people complain about how its not close to reality.. its like they expect Batman: the documentary.. Its a movie about a super hero batman for crying out loud.
As for the TDKR, it was great! the pacing at the start was a little slow, but it slowly built up to that epic showdown. The rise from the pit scene gives me shivers down my spine. I really liked how he used the drum beating background epicness hinting at that something big was going to happen. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the way Nolan handled the trilogy and the batman franchise. This has got to be the best batman movies ever. Each trilogy had its own style making it feel almost like a standalone movie (to me this was refreshing) maybe except the third movie.
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Hans Zimmer really did a bang-up job! Does he ever fail to satisfy?!
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On August 09 2012 12:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene.
Dark Knight never had a real choreographed fight scene yet it didn't feel like a generic action flick either. There was all of this build up that made a big fight scene feel somewhat expected yet it never really happened while in Dark Knight the movie felt a lot more like a crime suspense thriller than an action movie.
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On August 10 2012 12:37 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 12:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene. Dark Knight never had a real choreographed fight scene yet it didn't feel like a generic action flick either. There was all of this build up that made a big fight scene feel somewhat expected yet it never really happened while in Dark Knight the movie felt a lot more like a crime suspense thriller than an action movie. Maybe I just got into the atmosphere of the movie more, but I was never expecting a "big fight scene".
I think the first scene was as long and as drawn-out as the trilogy could possibly handle, and anything more gimmicky and "generic" would have killed the spirit of the movies.
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The best thing I liked about this movie was the rise and fall of Bruce Wayne's character + the constant emphasis and perspective (Nolan's commentary) of the socio/political issues that we deal with in todays times by using characters/character interactions that symbolised those issues/themes.
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On August 09 2012 09:10 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 08:44 Prof. Protoss wrote:On August 06 2012 13:35 Scarecrow wrote: Really disappointed. Nowhere near the quality of the first two. Overly long, boring and predictable. The plot was really poorly paced: the beat down and pit needed to come earlier. The finale just felt so limp and plodding, killing the toy tanks until what's her name crashed and died. The catwoman/robin sideshows added very little. The 'Rise' from the pit had almost no emotional impact. It was honestly hard to care about anyone in this movie.
Other issues: stupid Robin shit on the bridge. Needed a more intense Bane final battle for how much he was built up, less of that stupid helicoptor and toy tanks. More Batman and cool gadgets. Either make it a full on Avenger's style blockbuster or give it some real emotional impact, for me it had neither. The script and acting was also sub-par compared to the two previous films. listen to this man! (fitting username btw  bane's random and silly death matches his silly character. only person I remotely came close to caring about in this movie was alfred
What about Catwoman? She had potential as well. Also Robin had some moments but he felt thrown in. Alfred definitely was the best and frankly only character in this film.
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On August 10 2012 11:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:28 corumjhaelen wrote:On August 09 2012 12:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene. It's just that the movie fails both at storytelling and at filming action, mainly for the same reason : Nolan isn't really good at directing. On the contrary, I feel that Nolan is well above average at filming and directing action. In an industry that's swamped with cheap tactics to hide poor choreography and bad physical acting (shaky cameras, obvious wire work, slow-motion, jerky scene cutting, etc.), Nolan is one of the few that will consistently show fluid action sequences. Given that most of the fights are unreadable because of bad framing and the fact that 99% of Nolan's directing is shot/countershot ie completely uninspired, I'n not sure what film you were watching. If you feel that the fight between Batman and Bane is any close to, for instance, what Raimi did in the Spiderman serie (to give a comparable example), you probably need to rewatch the fight on the train between Spiderman and Doctor Octopus.
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On August 10 2012 13:29 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 11:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 10 2012 10:28 corumjhaelen wrote:On August 09 2012 12:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene. It's just that the movie fails both at storytelling and at filming action, mainly for the same reason : Nolan isn't really good at directing. On the contrary, I feel that Nolan is well above average at filming and directing action. In an industry that's swamped with cheap tactics to hide poor choreography and bad physical acting (shaky cameras, obvious wire work, slow-motion, jerky scene cutting, etc.), Nolan is one of the few that will consistently show fluid action sequences. Given that most of the fights are unreadable because of bad framing and the fact that 99% of Nolan's directing is shot/countershot ie completely uninspired, I'n not sure what film you were watching. If you feel that the fight between Batman and Bane is any close to, for instance, what Raimi did in the Spiderman serie (to give a comparable example), you probably need to rewatch the fight on the train between Spiderman and Doctor Octopus. Rewatching it now. It's so unrealistic! I mean, Dr. Octopus throws Spiderman behind him, then somehow Spiderman appears behind Octopus! They break through glass too easily just by jmping throw them. Spiderman gets tossed off the train onto the street and his suit doesnt even rip! It only rips when his muscles are straining? And besides how unrealistic it is, all the movements were so obviously CG it looked corny as hell. Octopus used civilian hostages only once, if he was a real villain why didn't he just hold the entire train hostage and force Spiderman to submit? It wasn't believable in the least and the CGI was just so blatant that I couldn't enjoy any of the action. They ruined what could have been a great battle between Spiderman and one of his greatest nemeses.
See? Anything can be made to look or sound like shit. Yet all these TDKR haters seem to think that all their gripes are specific to TDKR. If you go into it expecting it to be lackluster, hell even if you go into the movie hoping it rocks, you will inevitably be picking out even the tiniest things that make it "bad", even if theyre things you would normally just gloss over in a less hyped movie. It's completely ridiculous that people don't recognize this.
Edit: Honest opinion, the Spiderman vs Octopus fight was good, but Batman getting his ass royally handed to him by Bane had much more tension and emotional impact.
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On August 10 2012 16:18 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 13:29 corumjhaelen wrote:On August 10 2012 11:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 10 2012 10:28 corumjhaelen wrote:On August 09 2012 12:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Amusing that half the complainers are talking about how it was a generic action flick, while the others wanted a huge choreographed fight scene. It's just that the movie fails both at storytelling and at filming action, mainly for the same reason : Nolan isn't really good at directing. On the contrary, I feel that Nolan is well above average at filming and directing action. In an industry that's swamped with cheap tactics to hide poor choreography and bad physical acting (shaky cameras, obvious wire work, slow-motion, jerky scene cutting, etc.), Nolan is one of the few that will consistently show fluid action sequences. Given that most of the fights are unreadable because of bad framing and the fact that 99% of Nolan's directing is shot/countershot ie completely uninspired, I'n not sure what film you were watching. If you feel that the fight between Batman and Bane is any close to, for instance, what Raimi did in the Spiderman serie (to give a comparable example), you probably need to rewatch the fight on the train between Spiderman and Doctor Octopus. Rewatching it now. It's so unrealistic! I mean, Dr. Octopus throws Spiderman behind him, then somehow Spiderman appears behind Octopus! They break through glass too easily just by jmping throw them. Spiderman gets tossed off the train onto the street and his suit doesnt even rip! It only rips when his muscles are straining? And besides how unrealistic it is, all the movements were so obviously CG it looked corny as hell. Octopus used civilian hostages only once, if he was a real villain why didn't he just hold the entire train hostage and force Spiderman to submit? It wasn't believable in the least and the CGI was just so blatant that I couldn't enjoy any of the action. They ruined what could have been a great battle between Spiderman and one of his greatest nemeses. See? Anything can be made to look or sound like shit. Yet all these TDKR haters seem to think that all their gripes are specific to TDKR. If you go into it expecting it to be lackluster, hell even if you go into the movie hoping it rocks, you will inevitably be picking out even the tiniest things that make it "bad", even if theyre things you would normally just gloss over in a less hyped movie. It's completely ridiculous that people don't recognize this. Edit: Honest opinion, the Spiderman vs Octopus fight was good, but Batman getting his ass royally handed to him by Bane had much more tension and emotional impact.
Realism isn't the argument. It never was, even in Batman: the Dark Knight. Why do you think that anyone who found the movie lackluster is pointing out realism? Because that'd be the case with 99% of movies out there. It's not a strong argument.
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