On August 14 2012 05:26 Demonhunter04 wrote: The thing that bothered me the most about the entire trilogy was the fighting. Batman is a slow, clumsy-looking fighter when he is actually shown striking people. So was Bane. The movies were good enough for me to overlook it, though.
Batman is more graceful in the comics, in reality (the world of TDKR is trying to be more like "reality") Batman has metric fucktons of gadgets and body armor and Bane is supposed to be pure strength and not a lot of finesse so this is the fight we got. Its just power vs. power and giant blows.
As far as ending goes, people really still hate it because of that?
TLDR version is: Batman has TWO planes. He asked Lucious Fox earlier if "he had the Batplane in black?" and that was a cue there were two. Batman also mentions autopilot after Talia dies. He hooks up the plane to a bomb and sends it on autopilot. (admittedly not shown for dramatic reasons) His second plane is him booking out of there, its cleverly disguised to look like Batman is in the plane with the bomb.
The reason he did that was to look like he died and get out of the game forever. He then marries super hottie Selena Kyle and live happily ever after.
Blake becomes Nightwing to become the hero Gotham deserves? I dunno but someone needs to keep the goons in check.
Oh, I didn't bother with this topic when I first watched the movie, but I might as well now. I should first of all say that my viewing of the movie was tainted because the video kept disappearing and then they had to rewind a part, but we already heard what would happen because the audio kept working. In the end we got a free ticket + our money back, so it was okay, but it didn't help my impression and two thirds into the movie I was quite willing to walk away if not for the person I came with wanting to finish the movie.
In any case, I thought the movie was complete garbage and at multiple points I could almost not stop laughing at how predictable and dumb everything was. I definitely think I was jaded though, I even thought Caine's emotional moments as Alfred were fake and annoying when I know that a lot of people cried and broke down those scenes.
I don't know if my impression is really fair and if it would hold up to multiple viewings and I'm not sure whether I can really justify it in this post, but it was just how I felt while watching. I'm in general not a huge fan of the recent batman movies and I think that they're not only overrated, but they seem to have inspired this vaguely fascist impulse among the fans to send death threats to anyone giving a negative review. Which is hardly surprising, since the movies do seem kind of pro-fascist, what with promoting things like The Big Lie, The End Justifies the Means, Mass Surveillance Systems, Have Faith in the Rich, Don't Trust The Mob. (not to mention that the villain of the movie is an environmentalist and that her army is based on the occupy movement)
I'm also sick to death of this recent trend where comic book movies become so pretentious and acquire such a massive following that everyone gets forced to start taking them seriously as high art. I wouldn't mind the batman movies so much if they weren't so nauseatingly serious about what is a very silly premise clad in the sort of standard action movie plot that you could also find in something like Mission Impossible. Except that with Batman everything has to be all symbolic and the like, as if it's all a larger than life opera. But I'm sorry, just because Nolan is smart enough to come up with some themes that have some depth to them, doesn't make them particularly good. You can't have it both ways, you can't defend the movie by saying it's just a comic book adaption and then at the same time force everyone to bow down to the depth and complexity of it all. Because if we are supposed to take Nolan's vision seriously, then I also feel like I should be able to point out that his themes don't really hold up when compared to those of directors with real artistic talent. (seriously, compare the batman trilogy to the Godfather trilogy)
And how is it that an eccentric millionaire with ties to weapon research & manufacturing can show up in Gotham City at the exact same time as Batman, who uses all sorts of hyper sophisticated equipment, and nobody even bothers to make the connection that Batman might be Bruce Wayne? I mean, his playboy act is not that convincing.
I also feel that if Bruce Wayne is so rich and smart, then he should be able to afford a stun gun to help with people like Bane. >.<
On August 14 2012 07:53 Grumbels wrote: I don't know if my impression is really fair and if it would hold up to multiple viewings and I'm not sure whether I can really justify it in this post, but it was just how I felt while watching. I'm in general not a huge fan of the recent batman movies and I think that they're not only overrated, but they seem to have inspired this vaguely fascist impulse among the fans to send death threats to anyone giving a negative review (or shoot people in a movie theater >.< ). Which is hardly surprising, since the movies do seem kind of pro-fascist, what with promoting things like The Big Lie, The End Justifies the Means, Mass Surveillance Systems, Have Faith in the Rich, Don't Trust The Mob. (not to mention that the villain of the movie is an environmentalist and that her army is based on the occupy movement)
There's absolutely no doubt that you're horribly jaded. In fact, you managed to cross the line into an outright asshole.
Grumbels is harsh but makes some fair points. I did not want to start the debate, but thé movie's political content is disgusting. Completely agrees about the serious tone. To wolfinthesheep, I try to use faits to sustain my opinion aka arguing, I don't think it's a problem. Not all opinions are equals. Also, the only reason I'm arguing this hard is that I think there are very few thought-out positive reviews and that those who disliked the movie are treated like idiots who like brainless movies. Unfair to say the least. If you find the fight scene inside the plane readable, I'm not sure what I can do for you. I don't think Thé Matrix is a very good movie by the way, far from it. I'd rate it about the same as this I guess.
Grumbels blamed the shooting in Arizona on the movie content and the fans of the series. If he honestly believes that for a second, then he doesn't deserve a scrap of acknowledgement.
Saw it twice (with the family and with friends), liked it both times. I got a decent amount of nerd chills, but I wasn't even close to crying.*
I agree that the Batman movies are a bit overrated (I mean, was Heath Ledger such a great actor? He just acted twitchy and licked his lips and paused his speech awkwardly as far as I saw, but maybe I don't appreciate great film), but I think as a whole they're still pretty damn good.
*for reference, i cried during avatar when the navi were all massing up and shit, when snape died in hp7.5, at the end of titanic and a few others
On August 14 2012 07:19 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: As far as ending goes, people really still hate it because of that?
TLDR version is: Batman has TWO planes. He asked Lucious Fox earlier if "he had the Batplane in black?" and that was a cue there were two. Batman also mentions autopilot after Talia dies. He hooks up the plane to a bomb and sends it on autopilot. (admittedly not shown for dramatic reasons) His second plane is him booking out of there, its cleverly disguised to look like Batman is in the plane with the bomb.
The reason he did that was to look like he died and get out of the game forever. He then marries super hottie Selena Kyle and live happily ever after.
Blake becomes Nightwing to become the hero Gotham deserves? I dunno but someone needs to keep the goons in check.
Spoiler: I don't think there's anything in the film indicating Batman has two planes. The autopilot stuff is there to suggest he got out of his batplane before it was too late, not that he got into another one.
On August 14 2012 07:19 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: As far as ending goes, people really still hate it because of that?
TLDR version is: Batman has TWO planes. He asked Lucious Fox earlier if "he had the Batplane in black?" and that was a cue there were two. Batman also mentions autopilot after Talia dies. He hooks up the plane to a bomb and sends it on autopilot. (admittedly not shown for dramatic reasons) His second plane is him booking out of there, its cleverly disguised to look like Batman is in the plane with the bomb.
The reason he did that was to look like he died and get out of the game forever. He then marries super hottie Selena Kyle and live happily ever after.
Blake becomes Nightwing to become the hero Gotham deserves? I dunno but someone needs to keep the goons in check.
Spoiler: I don't think there's anything in the film indicating Batman has two planes. The autopilot stuff is there to suggest he got out of his batplane before it was too late, not that he got into another one.
Not to mention if there were others, Bane's army would have taken them and it would have been GG batman. I'm still confused why the batcycle has bigger guns than the bat though.
On August 14 2012 09:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Grumbels blamed the shooting in Arizona on the movie content and the fans of the series. If he honestly believes that for a second, then he doesn't deserve a scrap of acknowledgement.
I'm sure the movie content had to do with the shooting.
On August 14 2012 09:50 WolfintheSheep wrote: Grumbels blamed the shooting in Arizona on the movie content and the fans of the series. If he honestly believes that for a second, then he doesn't deserve a scrap of acknowledgement.
I'm sure the movie content had to do with the shooting.
On August 14 2012 09:57 ticklishmusic wrote: Saw it twice (with the family and with friends), liked it both times. I got a decent amount of nerd chills, but I wasn't even close to crying.*
I agree that the Batman movies are a bit overrated (I mean, was Heath Ledger such a great actor? He just acted twitchy and licked his lips and paused his speech awkwardly as far as I saw, but maybe I don't appreciate great film), but I think as a whole they're still pretty damn good.
*for reference, i cried during avatar when the navi were all massing up and shit, when snape died in hp7.5, at the end of titanic and a few others
Heh? A movie is only good if it makes you cry?
And yes heath ledger was that good.
But the beauty of subjectivity is that everyone is right! Unless you disagree with me.
Felt that the movie didnt have to be THAT long(almost 3 hours) with all the drama that was going at first. Alfred crying - wayne trying to get on his feet and decide what to do etc.
As someone else said before in the whole movie you knew what happens next, ofc my mind didnt even get close on realizing that the woman was the bad guy.
Expected alot more from this movie. my score if on imdb would be a 5.5 or 6 out of 10. not that bad but not good either. The dark knight i believe was the best of all three.
I also feel that if Bruce Wayne is so rich and smart, then he should be able to afford a stun gun to help with people like Bane. >.<
Yes he could do that and he has these kind of gadgets in the comics. But in the comics his opponents are usually more then human. Bane uses special gas to make himself stronger, bigger and immune to petty stuff like stun guns.
So if Batman in the movie takes down Bane with a stun gun comic fans would cry :D
There is a rumored Director's Cut that will be released before the Man of Steel (2013).
A few days ago Nuke The Fridge reported that a source had told them that a director's cut of The Dark Knight Rises with 30 extra minutes of footage would be released on DVD and Blu-ray. This seems highly unlikely seeing as though Chris Nolan has NEVER created a director's cut for one of his films. Nolan is a very meticulous planner, editing out scenes in pre-production to limit waste. In the past MTV asked the director about deleted scenes, a longer cut of The Dark Knight Rises, and Nolan replied, "With all my films, there are very few deleted scenes, which always disappoints the DVD crowd."
The only reasons to think that a director's cut is possible, would be that the costumes designer, Lindy Hemming, has confirmed that there is footage of Bane that never made it on screen. But secondly and more importantly, we know that the 70mm print of The Dark Knight Rises pushed the limits of IMAX projectors. And you would have to imagine that some scenes were cut just to fit the limitations of IMAX platters.
Today, we got word from the same source that gave us the heads up about the “Directors Cut” about the potential release date for that Blu-ray. So according to that person a new version of “The Dark Knight Rises” will be out on Blu-ray sometime right before Zack Snyder’s, “Man of Steel,” opens in theater.
On August 14 2012 05:26 Demonhunter04 wrote: The thing that bothered me the most about the entire trilogy was the fighting. Batman is a slow, clumsy-looking fighter when he is actually shown striking people. So was Bane. The movies were good enough for me to overlook it, though.
Have you ever seen Krav Maga style combat?
Krav maga or not, the fighting choreo is really messy in all these movies. He could at least have hired a korean/chinese dude to make some good choreo instead of the zoomed in hyper cutting we got. Also Batman of old was alot more agile and not the tank like Batman of the Nolanverse. I guess it's supposed to be more realistic but imo it just weakens the "character".
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