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On March 16 2011 08:49 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:46 ShadeR wrote:
@lundell100
I believe violence is the only effective means to curb bullying. Violence to some degree might be alright, but all I'm trying to say is that Casey might've taken it a bit too far. It worked out alright in this case, but that little kid could've gotten seriously hurt.
But don't you see that's exactly the point. Bullys target those that they think will not retaliate and by seriously hurting the bully and showing that you will defend yourself is a means to leave bullying behind.
Edit: also i believe that both kids were suspended for 4 days.
Edit2: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/bullied-boy-at-chifley-college-dunheved-campus-suspended-after-fighting-back/story-e6frea6u-1226022341223
"Both students in a fight at the school shown on the internet have been suspended ... the only injury sustained was a grazed knee."
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On March 16 2011 08:31 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Lundell is cracking me up! Listen to this guy
Maybe you missed the first part of the video? The little shit wasn't pullin yo mama joke, he was fucking hitting the kid. So yes, as far as your god awful analogy about "bullying in the work place" later in life goes, Casey, and probably every other able bodied man with even the least bit of guts that has 70lbs on the guy picking on them would thrown down.
He was making a point about the "violence should always be met with violence" attitude some people were having. He purposefully exaggerated some situations to better prove his point, although....
This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No!
That is how a civilized world should work. But this is far from a civil situation. Ideally, a bullied kid would go to a trusted parent or teacher and conclusively prove who was bullying him, along with an accurate and conclusive psycological and potentially physical description of how the bullying affected him. The responsible adult (or another, better trained adult) would have a serious talk with the bully, exploring his mindset and deducing why he bullies, which would then be dealt with in a manner personally accommodating the bully's personal mindset. But these ideal circumstances occur very rarely, and even then is not always capitalized. There's a lot of gray area around that ideal path to work with.
Yes, violence is clearly not the ideal path. Not a lot of people are going to argue that. But it was certainly far, far better than letting the bullies continue to torment him like that. I think part of the reason people are annoyed with your viewpoint is that you presented it in such a way (intentions irrelevant) that implied that Casey was inherently at a fault for not acting in an ideal fashion.
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On March 16 2011 08:58 ManyCookies wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:31 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Lundell is cracking me up! Listen to this guy
Maybe you missed the first part of the video? The little shit wasn't pullin yo mama joke, he was fucking hitting the kid. So yes, as far as your god awful analogy about "bullying in the work place" later in life goes, Casey, and probably every other able bodied man with even the least bit of guts that has 70lbs on the guy picking on them would thrown down.
He was making a point about the "violence should always be met with violence" attitude some people were having. He purposefully exaggerated some situations to better prove his point, although.... Show nested quote +This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! That is how a civilized world should work. But this is far from civil. Ideally, a bullied kid would go to a trusted parent or teacher and conclusively prove who was bullying him, along with an accurate and conclusive psycological and potentially physical description of how the bullying affected him. The responsible adult (or another, better trained adult) would have a serious talk with the bully, exploring his mindset and deducing why he bullies, which would then be dealt with in a manner personally accommodating the bully's personal mindset. But these ideal circumstances occur very rarely, and even then is not always capitalized. There's a lot of gray area around that path. Yes, violence is clearly not the ideal path. Not a lot of people are going to argue that. But it is certainly better than letting the bullies continue to torment him like that. I think part of the reason people are annoyed with your viewpoint is that you presented it in such a way (intentions irrelevant) that implied that Casey was inherently at a fault for not acting in an ideal fashion.
Yeah, I agree, my previous argument was not a very good one. All I tried to say was that Casey could have dealt with the situation differently, but he didn't, and it still worked out fine. I'm not in any way implying that Casey did anything wrong when he stood up for himself, that was very brave, I'm just saying that he could've gone a little easier on the 50lb kid 
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On March 16 2011 08:58 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:49 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 08:46 ShadeR wrote:
@lundell100
I believe violence is the only effective means to curb bullying. Violence to some degree might be alright, but all I'm trying to say is that Casey might've taken it a bit too far. It worked out alright in this case, but that little kid could've gotten seriously hurt. But don't you see that's exactly the point. Bullys target those that they think will not retaliate and by seriously hurting the bully and showing that you will defend yourself is a means to leave bullying behind. Edit: also i believe that both kids were suspended for 4 days. Edit2: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/bullied-boy-at-chifley-college-dunheved-campus-suspended-after-fighting-back/story-e6frea6u-1226022341223"Both students in a fight at the school shown on the internet have been suspended ... the only injury sustained was a grazed knee."
I can't seem to get it, what point exactly are you trying to make?
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I would've totally done it.
I used to be bullied until I slimmed down a bit and grew a foot. People are scared of tall people, but not fat people.
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On March 16 2011 09:03 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:58 ManyCookies wrote:On March 16 2011 08:31 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Lundell is cracking me up! Listen to this guy
Maybe you missed the first part of the video? The little shit wasn't pullin yo mama joke, he was fucking hitting the kid. So yes, as far as your god awful analogy about "bullying in the work place" later in life goes, Casey, and probably every other able bodied man with even the least bit of guts that has 70lbs on the guy picking on them would thrown down.
He was making a point about the "violence should always be met with violence" attitude some people were having. He purposefully exaggerated some situations to better prove his point, although.... This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! That is how a civilized world should work. But this is far from civil. Ideally, a bullied kid would go to a trusted parent or teacher and conclusively prove who was bullying him, along with an accurate and conclusive psycological and potentially physical description of how the bullying affected him. The responsible adult (or another, better trained adult) would have a serious talk with the bully, exploring his mindset and deducing why he bullies, which would then be dealt with in a manner personally accommodating the bully's personal mindset. But these ideal circumstances occur very rarely, and even then is not always capitalized. There's a lot of gray area around that path. Yes, violence is clearly not the ideal path. Not a lot of people are going to argue that. But it is certainly better than letting the bullies continue to torment him like that. I think part of the reason people are annoyed with your viewpoint is that you presented it in such a way (intentions irrelevant) that implied that Casey was inherently at a fault for not acting in an ideal fashion. Yeah, I agree, my previous argument was not a very good one. All I tried to say was that Casey could have dealt with the situation differently, but he didn't, and it still worked out fine. I'm not in any way implying that Casey did anything wrong when he stood up for himself, that was very brave, I'm just saying that he could've gone a little easier on the 50lb kid
The problem he had was that he had to send the message quickly. Also keep in mind that he did not defend himself at first even when he got hit and was still attacked. That is enough to paint a picture of what would have happened if he tried to fight them but lost. The little brat wasn't alone so he had to take him out with the first strike. It sounds brutal but that was the only way he could defend himself.
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On March 16 2011 09:03 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:58 ManyCookies wrote:On March 16 2011 08:31 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Lundell is cracking me up! Listen to this guy
Maybe you missed the first part of the video? The little shit wasn't pullin yo mama joke, he was fucking hitting the kid. So yes, as far as your god awful analogy about "bullying in the work place" later in life goes, Casey, and probably every other able bodied man with even the least bit of guts that has 70lbs on the guy picking on them would thrown down.
He was making a point about the "violence should always be met with violence" attitude some people were having. He purposefully exaggerated some situations to better prove his point, although.... This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! That is how a civilized world should work. But this is far from civil. Ideally, a bullied kid would go to a trusted parent or teacher and conclusively prove who was bullying him, along with an accurate and conclusive psycological and potentially physical description of how the bullying affected him. The responsible adult (or another, better trained adult) would have a serious talk with the bully, exploring his mindset and deducing why he bullies, which would then be dealt with in a manner personally accommodating the bully's personal mindset. But these ideal circumstances occur very rarely, and even then is not always capitalized. There's a lot of gray area around that path. Yes, violence is clearly not the ideal path. Not a lot of people are going to argue that. But it is certainly better than letting the bullies continue to torment him like that. I think part of the reason people are annoyed with your viewpoint is that you presented it in such a way (intentions irrelevant) that implied that Casey was inherently at a fault for not acting in an ideal fashion. Yeah, I agree, my previous argument was not a very good one. All I tried to say was that Casey could have dealt with the situation differently, but he didn't, and it still worked out fine. I'm not in any way implying that Casey did anything wrong when he stood up for himself, that was very brave, I'm just saying that he could've gone a little easier on the 50lb kid
You have to take into consideration that Casey himself could've got seriously hurt, as this boy had already snapped his head back when he punched him, just because Casey is bigger does not mean the other kid can not HURT him, especially since he was repeatedly PUNCHING him in the head.
Casey didn't snap IMO, he defended himself, its ridiculous to look at that film and say he didn't have the right of self defense.
1. Got in Casey's face and grabbed him while threatening him.
Casey's Reaction: backed down trying to avoid confrontation.
2. Punched him hard in the face.
Again Casey is apologetic doesn't want to fight.
3. Swung hard at Casey's face.
More of the same from Casey.
4. Starts dancing and taunting Casey before punching him yet again.
Yet again Casey just ignores him, wants to leave.
5. Punches Casey yet again, and appears unwilling to stop anytime soon.
Casey finally defends himself and the two grab each other but Casey being bigger gets the upperhand.
Casey tried to avoid a confrontation but this little POS FORCED the issue, the only thing he could've done is just stand there and let the kid Tee off on him which he actually did, BUT the bully made it clear he was NOT going to stop anytime soon.
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I have mixed feelings about his act, the guy could had gotten seriously injured.
I was bullied for 4 years and I feel a great deal of empathy for Casey It's hard for those who havn't been bullied to really understand the shame you feel, Atleast for me it didn't come from the degrading acts and words but from the feeling of what a failure I must be to get this lot. Worse then everyone else.
During my four years I was to embaressed to even tell my parents I was beeing bullied, just tried to pretend like I wasn't, telling myself in my head they were my friends, cause well they were my only friends. When you're at the bottom it's not "Oh hey man, you're on the bottom too, lets be friends". There was a fierce rivalry, everyone was trying to avoid beeing the lowest doing it the only way we had been taught how. This is to this day my greatest shame. Both that I was an arse to others but even more for allowing myself to be a part of that system.
Help from the school doesn't work, Not that I for one wanted it. I have always been to proud to accept help wantign to make everything on my own Idiotic yes but I can't imagine it any other way. Whenever teachers interefered in fights I never told them I was beeing bullied. Ofcourse they had their suspicions but what can they do. The only one ever expelled from my school was a person who was part of the group that killed Ricardo Campogiani and for that reason. What actually did help was the FRIENDS organisation. There was a student there that tried really hard to be nice and fair to everyone while in schhol, he is one of the strongest rolemodels I had growing up.
I haven't shared these thoughts with anyone untill now. I am alright now, I'm an alright looking person with an IQ over 130 and I have friends whom is like a second family to me. But I still remember how it was when nobody laughs at your jokes just because it's you who told it and when something as ordinary as a rare smile from a classmate could be the best memory for an entire week. Insane isn't it? Just a smile.
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i give props to zangief kid. boards don't hit back but zangief will body slam your face.
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That "civilized world" portion brings up the point where I think most of the genuinely caring and understanding adults/teachers fail; the assumption that scholastic punishment deters the bully, even those that do care about their education.
Ideally, the punishment of suspension/explusion/whatever would directly correlate to the bully that his bullying can carry considerable consequences in both the current and future real life situations, thus leading him to consider his actions and subsequent consequences in a thoughtful and self-reflecting manner, and hopefully at least make an effort to avoid the situation again.
That first step, however, is a little silly; most bullies are not going to get punished and think "Darn! I should really reflect upon my actions that led me into this situation." That's what an academically motivated student, who got into a one-time fight and had his academic image damaged , might think. A bully's thought is going to be on a rather more direct and less civil level, "That fucking cowardly piece of shit got me in trouble. Better show him what happens when he tries to pull that shit when I get back".
Just assuming that any punishment of the same severity will register equally to any given person is both fallacious and in many cases will only complicate the problem (in the case above, turning a victim who was probably chosen as easy prey into a personal enemy). It's not a scale between the causes of bullying and the consequences of punishment, adding the weights of punishment until they outweigh bullying; the mind just doesn't work or think like that. Every bully is different and bullies for a different reason; some are just outright pricks, are heavily influenced by their friends, have a rough home-life, have self-esteem or other emotional issues (which seems to be a rather popular generalization these days; it "humanizes" bullies), wants to be cool, honestly does not know that he is hurting his victim, the list goes on. Just applying a blanket punishment to a myriad of causes (which would probably only have a serious effect on one, maybe two of those bullies in those examples) won't solve much.
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On March 16 2011 09:10 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I would've totally done it.
I used to be bullied until I slimmed down a bit and grew a foot. People are scared of tall people, but not fat people.
Ain't nobody fuckin' with the tall guys B)
Seriously though if this Casey kid had just punched the other guy I would have been like 'awesome!'. But he body slammed his head into the floor. I don't know about you guys, but I derive little to no pleasure from seeing children have their heads smashed into concrete.
EDIT: Anyone else really hate the world 'bully'? It just sounds so childish. God I hate that fucking word. Fuck that word.
/self indulgent ranting
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That bully had it comin...that's why you don't screw around with people(and especially animals) that are larger than you...broke the very first rule of nature...
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On March 16 2011 10:09 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:10 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I would've totally done it.
I used to be bullied until I slimmed down a bit and grew a foot. People are scared of tall people, but not fat people. Ain't nobody fuckin' with the tall guys B) Seriously though if this Casey kid had just punched the other guy I would have been like 'awesome!'. But he body slammed his head into the floor. I don't know about you guys, but I derive little to no pleasure from seeing children have their heads smashed into concrete.
The ONLY person that suffered any head injury here was Casey, he got punched in the face and his head snapped back from the impact, the moron who got slam had his fall broken by his legs and arms. I've done this numerous times but once again this is what the video sows:
1. Bully gets in Casey's face and grabbed him while threatening him.
Casey's Reaction: backed down trying to avoid confrontation.
2. Punched him hard in the face.
Again Casey is apologetic doesn't want to fight.
3. Swung hard at Casey's face.
More of the same from Casey.
4. Starts dancing and taunting Casey before punching him yet again.
Yet again Casey just ignores him, wants to leave.
5. Punches Casey yet again, and appears unwilling to stop anytime soon.
Casey finally defends himself and the two grab each other but Casey being bigger gets the upperhand.
Casey himself could've been seriously injured from getting punched numerous times in the head, (which by the way is ar worse than being pciked up and dropped) just because he is bigger does NOT mean the Bully can not harm him, in fact I'm pretty sure he would've suffered significant harm had he not slammed him.
People like you just don't get it, Casey just wanted to get out of being assaulted, he did what he did in self defense than he left. The other guy was there to do physical harm to Casey, just because he is smaller is no reason to simply brush over that. And its not right to be critical of a kid defending himself when he is being assaulted.
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On March 16 2011 10:53 TheGreat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 10:09 The KY wrote:On March 16 2011 09:10 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I would've totally done it.
I used to be bullied until I slimmed down a bit and grew a foot. People are scared of tall people, but not fat people. Ain't nobody fuckin' with the tall guys B) Seriously though if this Casey kid had just punched the other guy I would have been like 'awesome!'. But he body slammed his head into the floor. I don't know about you guys, but I derive little to no pleasure from seeing children have their heads smashed into concrete. The ONLY person that suffered any head injury here was Casey, he got punched in the face and his head snapped back from the impact, the moron who got slammed had his fall broken by his legs and arms. I've done this numerous times but once again this is what the video sows: 1. Bully gets in Casey's face and grabbed him while threatening him. Casey's Reaction: backed down trying to avoid confrontation. 2. Punched him hard in the face. Again Casey is apologetic doesn't want to fight. 3. Swung hard at Casey's face. More of the same from Casey. 4. Starts dancing and taunting Casey before punching him yet again. Yet again Casey just ignores him, wants to leave. 5. Punches Casey yet again, and appears unwilling to stop anytime soon. Casey finally defends himself and the two grab each other but Casey being bigger gets the upperhand. Casey himself could've been seriously injured from getting punched numerous times in the head, (which by the way is ar worse than being pciked up and dropped) just because he is bigger does NOT mean the Bully can not harm him, in fact I'm pretty sure he would've suffered significant harm had he not slammed him. People like you just don't get it, Casey just wanted to get out of being assaulted, he did what he did in self defense than he left. The other guy was there to do physical harm to Casey, just because he is smaller is no reason to simply brush over that. And its not right to be critical of a kid defending himself when he is being assaulted.
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People like you just don't get it
...ok relax.
Casey just wanted to get out of being assaulted, he did what he did in self defense than he left. The other guy was there to do physical harm to Casey, just because he is smaller is no reason to simply brush over that.
I actually never mentioned the kid being smaller. What I was saying was that he could have been seriously injured (and by the way, getting body slammed onto your skull is considerably more dangerous than being punched by a 12 year old) and while I don't exactly condemn the guy, who was acting out of frustration, pent up anger and humiliation, I just didn't think it was right for people to be celebrating something that I personally thought was a pretty horrible thing to watch.
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learn from Ghandhi and his non violence protest, sit cross legged meditate the bully away :-) worked for India once
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It's the convict heritage. Eshayyy!
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On March 16 2011 11:00 The KY wrote:...ok relax. Show nested quote +Casey just wanted to get out of being assaulted, he did what he did in self defense than he left. The other guy was there to do physical harm to Casey, just because he is smaller is no reason to simply brush over that. I actually never mentioned the kid being smaller. What I was saying was that he could have been seriously injured (and by the way, getting body slammed onto your skull is considerably more dangerous than being punched by a 12 year old) and while I don't exactly condemn the guy, who was acting out of frustration, pent up anger and humiliation, I just didn't think it was right for people to be celebrating something that I personally thought was a pretty horrible thing to watch.
If Casey knew how to fight and he loaded up and punched this POS right in the head he really would've hurt him, getting punched in the head is no joke.
Furthermore the bully did NOT get slammed on his head, Casey on the other hand got punched straight in the face. All this "what if" crap for the aggressor is getting out of hand. How about some "What ifs" for Casey. What if Casey had a concussion or some other medical condition before this attempted assault? What if after being punched, Casey would've lost his balance, fell and hit his head? What if Casey had done nothing and let this kid continue to pound away?
This kid is sick and was making a video of himself attacking and trying to hurt someone else with ZERO provocation. Casey on the other hand was not acting out of frustration he was simply defending himself. He was attacked 5 times before he finally retaliated. In fact the bully was attacking him when he grabbed him.
Casey is being celebrated because he stood up for himself against a bully, and the bully on the other hand got what he deserved.
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What i had to add on this topic(of course after saying Casery is the Man!!! Hell Yea!!), is how the tall kid with the black bag pack come's in to stand up for the bully who just got completly owned, like if Casey had done something wrong, yet he didn't even once tryed to stop the bully from hitting Casey... That is BS...
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