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haha casey did the right thing. especially if that behavior has been consistant over the past few years. I wouldnt take two days of that. especially from someone that small compared to me.
it doesnt matter if the kid could have died, you can die from anything. if that kid would have punched casey in the throat he could have collapsed his wind pipe and killed him. theres no defense for that kind of behavior, from anyone.
casey used self defense. if anyone thinks it wasnt, i would argue that the number of attackers he had justified any amount of force to stop any of them. if they dont want to fight fair, he shouldnt have to fight clean.
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On March 15 2011 06:58 Danjoh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:56 Hynda wrote:On March 15 2011 06:55 cromat wrote:
beat up a bully: white knights on team liquid attacking the victim
bully a victim: white knights on team liquid do nothing Has there been a single person defending the bully in this thread? A few have have several times.
Defending the bully in what regard? Not his actions you idiot, no one here defended his actions, we were questioning how the situation could've been handled differently. The way the big kid handled it was extremely wrong.
I'm just appalled that everyone wants blood when a bully picks on another person, that either way that bully/KID could've gotten seriously hurt. Bully or not, the smaller kid needs help and needs to get his priorities straightened out.
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That little kid sure as hell deserved to be taught a lesson, but what Casey did was not acceptable IMO. That could've turned out pretty nasty with some bad luck. Suspending Casey (as well as the stupid fucking bully too of course) is totally the right thing to do.
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I don't know if this has been brought up, but this reminds me of Ender's story in Ender's Game. He was winning the battle for good, defeating the bully. Not saying it's relevant, just saying it's what this reminded me of.
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On March 15 2011 07:05 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 07:03 TreDawg wrote:On March 15 2011 06:42 HotKimchi wrote:On March 15 2011 06:37 TreDawg wrote:On March 15 2011 04:28 Kniwom wrote:
If a kid plays in traffic, and gets hit by a car, did he deserve it? If a kid shoots himself in the head while playing with his father's gun, did he deserve it? Not really, the blame lies on his parents for not teaching him that it is dangerous and irresponsible.
A kid punches and teases someone 3 times their size until the guy snaps and breaks their neck... did the kid deserve it, probably not. It is his parent's fault for raising him to believe that that kind of behavior is acceptable. The blame cannot be put on Casey. All of that is assuming that the child didn't know any better. How do you know that they didn't consciously know that what they were doing was wrong and dangerous but did it anyway? At that age you know not to pick on people. Parents are suppose to teach you to respect others. Kids choose to disobey and prey on people. While Casey was defending himself with a potentially deadly move. He was still defending himself. I don't expect Casey to have an extensive martial arts background. Do you? I couldn't agree more that it isn't Casey's fault. I was never arguing that. In fact, I'm outraged that he got suspended at all. I was saying that the children who do get hit by cars while playing in traffic and do kill themselves while trying to show off with their Dad's pistol do, in fact, deserve it. It's natural selection pure and simple. If they were dumb enough to do that in the first place then they deserve whatever consequence those actions might bring. By that age they know it's incorrect behavior but they do it anyway. Doing something you know is wrong and dangerous and not expecting the worst to happen is foolish at pretty much any age past like 5 or 6. Should we kill of everyone with a retardation, disease or are born with any kind of malfunction? I mean that if anything would be natural selection.
Depends on what you consider natural. I don't really consider human-imposed selectivity to be the same thing as the natural selection that is being discussed here.
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On March 15 2011 07:09 Slithe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 07:05 Hynda wrote:On March 15 2011 07:03 TreDawg wrote:On March 15 2011 06:42 HotKimchi wrote:On March 15 2011 06:37 TreDawg wrote:On March 15 2011 04:28 Kniwom wrote:
If a kid plays in traffic, and gets hit by a car, did he deserve it? If a kid shoots himself in the head while playing with his father's gun, did he deserve it? Not really, the blame lies on his parents for not teaching him that it is dangerous and irresponsible.
A kid punches and teases someone 3 times their size until the guy snaps and breaks their neck... did the kid deserve it, probably not. It is his parent's fault for raising him to believe that that kind of behavior is acceptable. The blame cannot be put on Casey. All of that is assuming that the child didn't know any better. How do you know that they didn't consciously know that what they were doing was wrong and dangerous but did it anyway? At that age you know not to pick on people. Parents are suppose to teach you to respect others. Kids choose to disobey and prey on people. While Casey was defending himself with a potentially deadly move. He was still defending himself. I don't expect Casey to have an extensive martial arts background. Do you? I couldn't agree more that it isn't Casey's fault. I was never arguing that. In fact, I'm outraged that he got suspended at all. I was saying that the children who do get hit by cars while playing in traffic and do kill themselves while trying to show off with their Dad's pistol do, in fact, deserve it. It's natural selection pure and simple. If they were dumb enough to do that in the first place then they deserve whatever consequence those actions might bring. By that age they know it's incorrect behavior but they do it anyway. Doing something you know is wrong and dangerous and not expecting the worst to happen is foolish at pretty much any age past like 5 or 6. Should we kill of everyone with a retardation, disease or are born with any kind of malfunction? I mean that if anything would be natural selection. Depends on what you consider natural. I don't really consider human-imposed selectivity to be the same thing as the natural selection that is being discussed here.
Not to derail but that isn't natural selection that was my point, we could create a whole new thread to debate that. All natural selection is, is that the one most suitable survives and makes babies. As a human race we work very hard against it.
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On March 15 2011 07:04 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:57 Nawyria wrote:I think the punishment dished out by the school was fair, if it is indeed correct that Casey got suspended for 4 days and his tormentor for 3 weeks. If this thing has been going on for some time, it's only right that bully should be on the more serious end of the punishment. On the other hand, while you can't fault Casey for standing up to his nemeses, his actions could indeed have caused permanent physical damage to the bully. However, if permanent physical damage did occur, I would not put more blame on him. Many underestimate the effect bullying has on people and the extremes it drives them to. Casey has shown extreme self-restraint not to have snapped earlier and to walk away after dropping the bully. What many seem to have forgotten is the fact that the bulling has most likely already caused permanent psychological damage to Casey. Anything short of life-changing injuries (such as paralysis) suffered by the bully simply does not compare to that. I think my countryman zalz said it very well: On March 15 2011 03:28 zalz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I am sorry but bullying utterly disgusts me and i can easily understand where this Casey kid is coming from.
They aren't pokes, they aren't small things, stuff like that literally shatters your self worth as someone continually invades your personal space and if you do shit back people will blame you. You don't just lose self worth, people will look down on you aswell for letting it happen.
Bullying isn't beating someone up, it's not calling someone names, it can be as small as poking someone all the time or as harmless as constantly shouting a persons name in an annoying voice as he walks by. If you ask "what did they do?" what can you tell people? They said my name in an annoying voice? Even though you yourself know that every time they do that you hate yourself more and more, to others it seems small and insignificant.
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The truth is that if someone tries to bully you, it's not going to stop until you beat them and you beat them up good.
What this kid did was nothing compared to what they must have done to him. That kid is going to feel pain for a day or two big fucking deal. The other kid is going to still feel like shit and he probably will for a long time after that bully has long forgotten his name.
Physical pain is a joke compared to having no feeling of self-worth left. You know a broken leg is going to heal but you don't know if you are ever going to consider yourself worth something. Hope that kid is left with a permanent scar or something, altough then he would still be getting off better. I'm still suffering from being bullied, I can't maintain a relationship without constant confirmation, I've been to counceling for years because I couldn't maintain selfworth for longer than 5 minutes forcing myself to constantly be active and alot of other issues from being bullied, I know for sure I would feel a hell of alot worse if I had killed the guy or scarred him for life. I grew up, most bullys have their own issues, and most of them can turn out to be decent people if they get the help they need.
And if Casey would have, the knowledge itself would be punishment enough in my opinion. I simply hope that now this case is blown wide open, something constructive will come of it on both ends of the conflict. You are right in that we shouldn't marginalize the bully here, he probably has issues of his own.
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On March 15 2011 07:11 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 07:09 Slithe wrote:On March 15 2011 07:05 Hynda wrote:On March 15 2011 07:03 TreDawg wrote:On March 15 2011 06:42 HotKimchi wrote:On March 15 2011 06:37 TreDawg wrote:On March 15 2011 04:28 Kniwom wrote:
If a kid plays in traffic, and gets hit by a car, did he deserve it? If a kid shoots himself in the head while playing with his father's gun, did he deserve it? Not really, the blame lies on his parents for not teaching him that it is dangerous and irresponsible.
A kid punches and teases someone 3 times their size until the guy snaps and breaks their neck... did the kid deserve it, probably not. It is his parent's fault for raising him to believe that that kind of behavior is acceptable. The blame cannot be put on Casey. All of that is assuming that the child didn't know any better. How do you know that they didn't consciously know that what they were doing was wrong and dangerous but did it anyway? At that age you know not to pick on people. Parents are suppose to teach you to respect others. Kids choose to disobey and prey on people. While Casey was defending himself with a potentially deadly move. He was still defending himself. I don't expect Casey to have an extensive martial arts background. Do you? I couldn't agree more that it isn't Casey's fault. I was never arguing that. In fact, I'm outraged that he got suspended at all. I was saying that the children who do get hit by cars while playing in traffic and do kill themselves while trying to show off with their Dad's pistol do, in fact, deserve it. It's natural selection pure and simple. If they were dumb enough to do that in the first place then they deserve whatever consequence those actions might bring. By that age they know it's incorrect behavior but they do it anyway. Doing something you know is wrong and dangerous and not expecting the worst to happen is foolish at pretty much any age past like 5 or 6. Should we kill of everyone with a retardation, disease or are born with any kind of malfunction? I mean that if anything would be natural selection. Depends on what you consider natural. I don't really consider human-imposed selectivity to be the same thing as the natural selection that is being discussed here. Not to derail but that isn't natural selection that was my point, we could create a whole new thread to debate that. All natural selection is, is that the one most suitable survives and makes babies. As a human race we work very hard against it.
So are you arguing that a kid getting run over because he's playing in the street is also not natural selection?
Or were you arguing that people who get in fights and thus have a higher chance of getting killed is not natural selection?
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I would buy Casey a beer.
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On March 15 2011 07:15 Alexson wrote:
I would buy Casey a beer.
We should help him improve his power clean technique.
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I dont know, but when I see this video, I feel some of the strangest feelings I've ever had. I'm 16 years old as well. Obviously I wasn't there and I can only imagine what I would have done. But I would have (from what I'm feeling now) kicked the shit out of this RatBoy until he could not stand up anymore, spit on him and punch him again and again and again. I know, this is wrong. And I know, it would have been worse for me and Casey than for this rat. But there is so much violence in this world. I've never been bullied, but my mother died on january 5th this year and I can imagine Caseys hate and feeling of being alone against the ocean is the same as mine. What can you do to someone causing pain but let him feel this pain himself? Talking? Haha... Maybe I'm just cruel and evil inside.
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are people actually complaining that the kid could have died? the little prick got what was coming to him. i hope his hip is fucked up for the rest of his life and one day when he is running from a big black rapist his hip gives out and he falls into the hands of said rapist. mad props to the girl at the end of the video who prevented that other skinny fuck from getting snapped in half.
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On March 15 2011 07:14 Slithe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 07:11 Hynda wrote:On March 15 2011 07:09 Slithe wrote:On March 15 2011 07:05 Hynda wrote:On March 15 2011 07:03 TreDawg wrote:On March 15 2011 06:42 HotKimchi wrote:On March 15 2011 06:37 TreDawg wrote:On March 15 2011 04:28 Kniwom wrote:
If a kid plays in traffic, and gets hit by a car, did he deserve it? If a kid shoots himself in the head while playing with his father's gun, did he deserve it? Not really, the blame lies on his parents for not teaching him that it is dangerous and irresponsible.
A kid punches and teases someone 3 times their size until the guy snaps and breaks their neck... did the kid deserve it, probably not. It is his parent's fault for raising him to believe that that kind of behavior is acceptable. The blame cannot be put on Casey. All of that is assuming that the child didn't know any better. How do you know that they didn't consciously know that what they were doing was wrong and dangerous but did it anyway? At that age you know not to pick on people. Parents are suppose to teach you to respect others. Kids choose to disobey and prey on people. While Casey was defending himself with a potentially deadly move. He was still defending himself. I don't expect Casey to have an extensive martial arts background. Do you? I couldn't agree more that it isn't Casey's fault. I was never arguing that. In fact, I'm outraged that he got suspended at all. I was saying that the children who do get hit by cars while playing in traffic and do kill themselves while trying to show off with their Dad's pistol do, in fact, deserve it. It's natural selection pure and simple. If they were dumb enough to do that in the first place then they deserve whatever consequence those actions might bring. By that age they know it's incorrect behavior but they do it anyway. Doing something you know is wrong and dangerous and not expecting the worst to happen is foolish at pretty much any age past like 5 or 6. Should we kill of everyone with a retardation, disease or are born with any kind of malfunction? I mean that if anything would be natural selection. Depends on what you consider natural. I don't really consider human-imposed selectivity to be the same thing as the natural selection that is being discussed here. Not to derail but that isn't natural selection that was my point, we could create a whole new thread to debate that. All natural selection is, is that the one most suitable survives and makes babies. As a human race we work very hard against it. So are you arguing that a kid getting run over because he's playing in the street is also not natural selection? Or were you arguing that people who get in fights and thus have a higher chance of getting killed is not natural selection?
Natural selection is purely based on genetics mate. But if you want to discuss it take it PMs, we shouldn't derail the thread.
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On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote:
I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
LOL. I don't know if you meant that to be funny.. but I definitely lol'd pretty hard haha
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Both boys are lucky that is where it ended. I've seen fights taken too far, such as repeated kicking to the head after one of them involved is on the ground already out.
Just to remind you, it is easy to evaluate and make decisions with a cool, collected mind from an observing point. If you were in Casey shoes, the numbness and a hard heart beat from the adrenaline is enough to cloud anyone's judgment.
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On March 15 2011 07:18 GypsyBeast wrote:
are people actually complaining that the kid could have died? the little prick got what was coming to him. i hope his hip is fucked up for the rest of his life and one day when he is running from a big black rapist his hip gives out and he falls into the hands of said rapist. mad props to the girl at the end of the video who prevented that other skinny fuck from getting snapped in half.
This, but not to that extent. I just want to skinny kid to learn a lesson, don't fuck with people.
On March 15 2011 07:17 Slithe wrote:We should help him improve his power clean technique.
Agreed, he needs to learn to push through the heel.
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On March 15 2011 06:45 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:39 Aphasie wrote:
What are you guys all talking about broken necks for? This isnt a Steven Segal movie, necks dont snap that easily. How many think do you that have fallen down from trees on their necks unscathed?
No way the kids neck could have snapped.
And even if it did, if you play with fire you'll get burnt. If someone attacks you, you can defend yourself with the means at your disposal. If you pick a fight, you'd better accept the consequences. No, necks slap pretty easily. When you out of a tree you have at least a little control over what part of your body you land on (usually back/torso area). When someone picks you up, turns you around, then throws you on the ground... ... well, if you're going down head first you're pretty much done for. Also, how dumb must that kid be for punching someone three times his size in the face =.=;;;
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.gifbin.com/bin/032011/1299607635_seesaw-fail.gif) This happens on a daily basis.
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On March 15 2011 07:05 Hynda wrote:
Should we kill of everyone with a retardation, disease or are born with any kind of malfunction? I mean that if anything would be natural selection.
No, that wouldn't be natural selection. That would be genetic cleansing. Natural selection is done by nature (as I hope the name would make very clear) and not by man.
Although, depending on the level of retardation and/or seriousness of the disease I wouldn't be opposed to it, Sparta style. That's more like eugenics though and is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
On March 15 2011 07:07 Manifesto7 wrote:
This is a pretty silly statement. People do things without imagining the consequences all the time, and later reflect on how poor a decision it was. Nobody goes through a mental checklist of possible consequences before doing anything. That is why we call them accidents. It has nothing to do with natural selection.
I'm talking about children/people who make wrong and dangerous decisions ON PURPOSE even though they know they are wrong and or dangerous. The kind of dangerous decisions where the consequences are already known to them and would even be apparent to someone with common sense.
Its not like the bullying going on here was an "accident". The bully did it on purpose and by that age he should know that its wrong and dangerous to do that. If he were killed because he made a wrong and dangerous decision ON PURPOSE then its absolutely natural selection.
Getting killed while drinking and driving, natural selection. Getting killed by someone who was drinking and driving even though you did everything in your power to be safe, poor luck. This kid wasn't unlucky when he got his ass kicked cause of dumb shit he did, he was just dumb.
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Casey totally owned that bully! Was pretty damn epic the way he did it. At first I thought the kids were Americans and watched a lot of WWF, hehe.
I think the school's response was appropriate. Getting kicked out for 4 days really isn't much and is not that big of a deal. The school after all probably just wants to play it safe and not give any appearance of endorsing violence.
I mainly wanted to say that I hope Casey's parents are proud of him. It takes a lot of guts for a passive person to fight back against his abuser and I for one would want my son to fight back on his own when there is no other reasonable solution to take. I remember I worked with this jerk off kid once who said that in high school he would intentionally shoulder bump with people in the hall ways to see their reaction. If they said something to him he knew that that guy was "gangsta" and if not he knew to pick on that guy instead. A real cowardly and disgusting mentality and these bullies thrive on that shit. Sometimes, unfortunately, you have to fight fire with fire and I think it's good for a kid's development to learn that early on.
The only thing I would advise Casey is to bear in mind his weight vs that kids. Had that kid landed on his head after that slam he could've done some serious injury and then the shit would have really hit the fan for our hero.
On another note, I wonder if the bully's size made Casey's decision to fight back easier. I mean the kid is super skinny and tiny and Casey must've known he could have owned him easily by just tackling him.
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