On February 02 2011 03:04 Osmoses wrote: I don't mean to sound like a prick, but I don't see the big deal at all. Cattle and chickens and other livestock are slaughtered by the tens of thousands every day, why are you making a fuss out of a hundred dogs? It's not like they were killed for sport or in an unnecessarily cruel way. It angers me when people who eat meat and buy leather boots and purses bitch when someone happens to write an article about some animal they give two shits about.
Yes, it takes someone writing an article and someone posting it on teamliquid as well for you to take notice, you realize of course shit like this happens all the time? And then the next day you forget all about it and get yourself a fur coat and a burger, because after all you don't have time to spare to make a difference. I sure don't, but you don't see me acting all holier-than-thou about this stuff. Humans are at the top of the food chain and there are billions of us. treating each individual animal with respect and dignity just isn't practically feasible.
Being stabbed and shot multiple times all together stuck in chains is not an unnecessarily inhumane way to kill the animals ?
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
Lol wow, you might have dropped the most provocative line in this thread. Thankfully, our ancestors didn't have any of this animal rights bullshit, or we would've died out ages ago. That being said, I can't believe people are more emotional about 100 dogs being killed, than about thousands of Africans dying from hunger. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
I'm fairly certain our ancestors would not shoot a bunch of fucking dogs for no reason. It isn't ignorance, it is first hand connection. Almost everyone has had a dog or known a dog that they liked. Not everyone has been to a place and talked with starving african children. It also isn't like you have a damn clue on whether or not the people in this thread showing out rage donate or not to those starving people.
It wasn't for no reason... Humans have always disposed of things that no longer serves a purpose. Animals also have non-negligible upkeep. Even if the animals carcasses are simply tossed away, the accumulated upkeep costs serve as the gains from the cull.
I'm probably desensitized to this kind of news, but seriously, don't take your anger out on the person who committed the cull, or the people who don't really feel any pity for the dogs.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
i'd get banned here in .3 seconds if i were to say what i think of people like you. i actually gave serious thought to doing it too. - the people who did this deserve less than the lowest animal walking this earth, fuck them and fuck the peoples who call themselves civilized when they allow things like this to happen
and it's got nothing to do with anthropomorphizing animals. for the "are you a vegan" argument, eating chicken does not = slaughtering dogs, horse, or, yes, pigs. there is a fine line to be drawn between the human and animal worlds, and since it's drawn according to human empathy towards anthropomorphic features in animals, there is a distinction to be made
however, that's not the issue here. even if you were ignorant of any such distinction or were of the opinion that chicken=dog, there still would be the matter of purposefully killing (for sustenance, clothing, etc., as it's been the tradition of hunting that has since developed into farming industry) vs. mindlessly slaughtering of animals, which is essentially a moral matter that addresses human conduct alone and which easily translates/develops into a human vs. human problematic, a philosophical argument on civilization..
the problem lies in the way they did it, and the fact that there were other ways of doing it, and that it was purposeless and avoidable - that makes this an unpardonable act of brutality that deserves the same treatment as any other act of brutality and savagery.
and don't give me this "omg babies are dying in africa" bullshit, this is lameass sophistry. this is about people acting like beasts thinking themselves civilized; as such, for the moral subject at hand which causes all the stir when something like this leaks out, i argue that doing something like this to humans = doing something like this to dogs
yes i live in the real world, this shit happens all the time, it's why i'm not surprised, though still disgusted by some of the attitudes in here. if you think these kinds of things happening don't have any logical correlation to stuff like that guy killing newborn babies or countries like somalia being what they are you're delusional.
On February 01 2011 11:13 MapleFractal wrote: If the owners couldn't find home's for the animals I believe it would have been moral to have the animals put down. However the manner in which this was handled is disgusting, just another fine example of man's willingness to sacrifice moral ground to maximize profits. $100 to be a decent human being or $1 for a bullet. Oh well, its Canada killing dogs like that is a worse offense then selling weed. They will most likely get hit pretty hard in court.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
You're terrible . Humans are just animals too you know...
No , human's are not animal's. Animals are driven by instinct not emotions that you or I experience. We have the capability to be driven by instinct but one a whole were are different.
You'd be surprised how many of our actions are purely genetic in nature. Think "free will" all you want, but most things we do are based on natural instinct. Give me one completely rational reason as to why we procreate, for instance. Is there any rational reason for us the be on this planet at all? It can perfectly do without us (in fact it'd probably be a lot better off). Procreation is pure instinct, just like our need to eat, to drink, to protect our family and our territory.
We are Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and we're a highly intelligent type of monkey, to put it bluntly. We are an animal species, and the main differences between us and other animals are that we're the only species who are able to willingly kill one of their own species for no good reason AND that we are the only species that can willingly drive other species to extinction (which is in fact pretty damn stupid).
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
Lol wow, you might have dropped the most provocative line in this thread. Thankfully, our ancestors didn't have any of this animal rights bullshit, or we would've died out ages ago. That being said, I can't believe people are more emotional about 100 dogs being killed, than about thousands of Africans dying from hunger. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
We are in THIS thread, so we are obviously discussing about THIS issue.Who said people are "more emotional" about dogs than humans in this thread? It's ONE of the countless issues, sure, but with that logic we might as well say "What's the fuss about 911, 5k people died, omg look at all the wars where millions have been killed, so look, those 5k are not a big deal". That's a sick comparison right?Well, that's the fucking point.
And that comparison to our ancestors is unbelievably retarded.It's one thing to kill in order to SURVIVE and another thing to kill another living being which feels pain in a cruel way because you wanted to save a couple of bucks.
If you're using another being for your own benefit, at least have some decency to end its live painlessly.
Always sad to see animals gets massacred i can bet if they put up a sign or made some sort of effort to GIVE AWAY the dogs people would take them. Its not like they are asking for a pack of wolves just sled dogs.
Some of the replies in this thread are just disgusting, most of them no doubt coming from people whose only relation to animals is hunting them.
Try living with a dog for 12 years as I have, and then tell me that they are purely instinct driven and not capable of thought or emotion.
Sad fucks.
(edit: Also, leave abortion out of this. Any sane human being should have realized by now that a clump of cells =/= a living, thinking, breathing creature, and that there literally, physically isn't any head or neck "to stick a knife into". Any disagreement from this is either religious or backwards. Either one has no place in a grown-ups discussion.)
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
Lol wow, you might have dropped the most provocative line in this thread. Thankfully, our ancestors didn't have any of this animal rights bullshit, or we would've died out ages ago. That being said, I can't believe people are more emotional about 100 dogs being killed, than about thousands of Africans dying from hunger. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
And that comparison to our ancestors is unbelievably retarded.It's one thing to kill in order to SURVIVE and another thing to kill another living being which feels pain in a cruel way because you wanted to save a couple of bucks.
If you're using another being for your own benefit, at least have some decency to end its live painlessly.
To most people, money IS survival in today's world. The "couple of bucks" is likely tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in upkeep that would be used to pay employees who work to survive. Given the choice between your job and a couple dogs, I think most people would choose the job, at least this guy did. Also, it's not like the guy purposely tried to kill the dogs as cruelly as possible, he just tried to get the job done.
Though the article says the company tried to adopt the dogs away, I wonder why there was only limited success, and why it wasn't possible to just set them into the wild.
Again, this is just my opinion on the matter. I hope the employee doesn't get burnt at the stake for this...
Are you kidding me? Likening this to animals slaughtered for food? The dogs were brutally killed and thrown in a mass grave, how can you even make that comparison? The intelligence level in this thread is astounding.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
How can you sleep at night? Humanity dictates that we all have compassion for other living things. You must be sick in the head or worse.. Christian.
User was temp banned for this post.
I think maybe you might be mistaking compassion for empathy.
regarding OP, while this is very unfortunate, it does seem like this was the better option, as 'inhumane' as it may seem. Not having the funding to support the dogs would leave to starvation. local dog shelters are typically non vacant and they are not neccesarily able to support them either, that goes for the 100 families to randomly show up looking for huskys and other sled dogs.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
Lol wow, you might have dropped the most provocative line in this thread. Thankfully, our ancestors didn't have any of this animal rights bullshit, or we would've died out ages ago. That being said, I can't believe people are more emotional about 100 dogs being killed, than about thousands of Africans dying from hunger. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
We are in THIS thread, so we are obviously discussing about THIS issue.Who said people are "more emotional" about dogs than humans in this thread? It's ONE of the countless issues, sure, but with that logic we might as well say "What's the fuss about 911, 5k people died, omg look at all the wars where millions have been killed, so look, those 5k are not a big deal". That's a sick comparison right?Well, that's the fucking point.
And that comparison to our ancestors is unbelievably retarded.It's one thing to kill in order to SURVIVE and another thing to kill another living being which feels pain in a cruel way because you wanted to save a couple of bucks.
If you're using another being for your own benefit, at least have some decency to end its live painlessly.
Epic argument for the win? Comparing people dying in 911 to people dying around the world, and comparing dogs dying to people dying around the world, and saying its the same thing. Yes. You just did that. And you now expect us to take your argument seriously? Seriously wtf?
I rarely see news articles on the hundreds dying in Africa every day. I don't hear about the brutal gang wars and drug abuse/slavery that goes on every day in the US that devastates thousands of innocent people's lives and homes. And yet this story has been front page news for a couple days now, and there has been a huge media outcry over it. Again, fark them. There are much bigger issues in the world to worry about.
On February 02 2011 04:34 Proto_Protoss wrote: Always sad to see animals gets massacred i can bet if they put up a sign or made some sort of effort to GIVE AWAY the dogs people would take them. Its not like they are asking for a pack of wolves just sled dogs.
This. Every time our dog had puppies we gave them away. There were always people who wanted em. Killing is just the lazy man's excuse.
On February 02 2011 04:52 slothtron wrote: Are you kidding me? Likening this to animals slaughtered for food? The dogs were brutally killed and thrown in a mass grave, how can you even make that comparison? The intelligence level in this thread is astounding.
You're pretty ignorant aren't you? Have you ever visited a slaughterhouse? Or a sow stall? Or a battery farm?
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
Lol wow, you might have dropped the most provocative line in this thread. Thankfully, our ancestors didn't have any of this animal rights bullshit, or we would've died out ages ago. That being said, I can't believe people are more emotional about 100 dogs being killed, than about thousands of Africans dying from hunger. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
We are in THIS thread, so we are obviously discussing about THIS issue.Who said people are "more emotional" about dogs than humans in this thread? It's ONE of the countless issues, sure, but with that logic we might as well say "What's the fuss about 911, 5k people died, omg look at all the wars where millions have been killed, so look, those 5k are not a big deal". That's a sick comparison right?Well, that's the fucking point.
And that comparison to our ancestors is unbelievably retarded.It's one thing to kill in order to SURVIVE and another thing to kill another living being which feels pain in a cruel way because you wanted to save a couple of bucks.
If you're using another being for your own benefit, at least have some decency to end its live painlessly.
Epic argument for the win? Comparing people dying in 911 to people dying around the world, and comparing dogs dying to people dying around the world, and saying its the same thing. Yes. You just did that. And you now expect us to take your argument seriously? Seriously wtf?
I rarely see news articles on the hundreds dying in Africa every day. I don't hear about the brutal gang wars and drug abuse/slavery that goes on every day in the US that devastates thousands of innocent people's lives and homes. And yet this story has been front page news for a couple days now, and there has been a huge media outcry over it. Again, fark them. There are much bigger issues in the world to worry about.
I compared them proportionally.You're saying 100 dogs dying getting slaughtered doesn't matter because thousands of people are starving.I can then just say few k human deaths is nothing when we look at the history of millions and millions getting killed. You can't just look at an event and say it's irrelevant because there are bigger things happening. That company wasn't saving starving kids, it had the responsibility to take care of those dogs.
I'm not saying we can compare human casualty with animal deaths.That's not the point I was trying to make obviously. It just seems some people can't have any sort of compassion for another living being.It served and helped you and then you just get rid of it as if it's just an item. It's just a basic 'would you want that to be done to you?' logic.
If you are capable of understanding that you're causing pain and yet you still do it because "it's more convenient", you should be punished for it.
It's really sad because I'm positive that if there would've been any news that these dogs would be euthanized many of them if not all of them would've been adopted.
wtf...in Canada? Their biggest territory is mainly settled by people who lived with sled dogs for centuries and where having a sled dog or not could mean live or death just some decades ago. This is retarded, should have given them away I guess a lot of people would welcome healthy sled dogs. And I watched "Eight Below" just yesterday :/
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. Humans are just animals too you know...
