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Hawkins
Profile Joined December 2010
19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 01:18:25
January 09 2011 00:00 GMT
#21
This article speaks the truth-the better parenting model is the Chinese, althou I wouldn't say it is exclusively Asian. The ppl who are bashing on this article are just retards/failures at live or failures as parents.
edit: or fat disgusting pigs justifying themselves with shit as big bones or I am handsome/beautiful the way I am.Also they probably are ignorant and arrogant deuches who only speak their mother tongue.

User was temp banned for this and other posts.
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
January 09 2011 00:00 GMT
#22
On January 09 2011 08:53 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
ahaha in indian and my mom did this with me till i hit high school, then i did it myself

then i got starcraft 2 and found out teamliquid and who day9 was and my gpa went wayyyy down =(


Same, except I'm actually Chinese

I didn't really think the article was racist. I saw the article as more an opinion piece focusing on showing the perspective of asian upbringing, mostly directed at westerners. But I do agree alot more with the asian upbringing than I did a few years back. I know if my parents hadn't been tough on me then I wouldn't be anywhere's close to where I was today. For a while in high school my parents did let off on the discipline for a while, and I got way too involved in video games, which crushed my gpa and has prevented me from entering some of the colleges I wanted to get into. I guess I'm just thankful that my parents instilled a sense of discipline and gave me the skills I need to succeed. Its definitely not the only way to raise kids, but it certainly works well imo.
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BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
January 09 2011 00:01 GMT
#23
On January 09 2011 09:00 Hawkins wrote:
This article speaks the truth-the better parenting model is the Chinese, althou I wouldn't say it is exclusively Asian. The ppl who are bashing on this article are just retards/failures at live or failures as parents.


"failures at live"... "althou"? Are you sure your parents were Chinese bro?
Frozenzen
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden97 Posts
January 09 2011 00:01 GMT
#24
Woah, the story about the piano lesson near the end is freaky as hell. I kinda get what she is getting at, but it really makes me feel bad for the kid. Might be wrong to do that, I'm a notorious underachiever .
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
January 09 2011 00:02 GMT
#25
There's very little wrong about basically forcing your children to get an A in his or her school subjects, especially if you live in North America where all you need to pass is a body temperature in the 90s.

What's wrong is when you actively restrict your child from exploring their own potential, prevent them from having fun, and torment them in pursuit of skills which aren't directly applicable to much more than showing off (piano).
Lanaia is love.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
January 09 2011 00:03 GMT
#26
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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
January 09 2011 00:06 GMT
#27
Just to add a good commentary from the source::

"I registered an account just to post on this article,I grew up in a home like this and I got straight A's, won trophies.

I have also been diagnosed with clinical depression, I have an incredibly low self esteem, and I also have an incredible loathing of my parents. In fact, I haven't had a conversation with any more depth than "how are you?" in half a decade. The emotional (and physical) abuse and the persisting psychological damage is not worth a fancy degree. This woman should have her children taken away from her and she should be sterilized. If she reads this comment I hope she knows that she is an incredibly malicious tyrant and I look forward to the day when her children abandon her. "
I am not good with quotes
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
January 09 2011 00:06 GMT
#28
Fairly sick to my stomach right now. She actually embedded the "Sophia at Carnegie Hall" video to try to justify literally forcing your child to endlessly slave at something...
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Hawkins
Profile Joined December 2010
19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:08:59
January 09 2011 00:06 GMT
#29
On January 09 2011 09:01 BasedSwag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:00 Hawkins wrote:
This article speaks the truth-the better parenting model is the Chinese, althou I wouldn't say it is exclusively Asian. The ppl who are bashing on this article are just retards/failures at live or failures as parents.


"failures at live"... "althou"? Are you sure your parents were Chinese bro?

This is the Internet-the place where raping languages is accepted. Just take a look at Blizz Eu edition of WoW. Honor instead of honour etc. I can say althou instead of although just as I can say sup, hackzor or m8 and of course live instead of live or visa versa. I am not chinese or asian, but that tdoesn't mean that I shouldn't see what is right. And I have a half broken keyboard.
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
January 09 2011 00:07 GMT
#30
I forsee this lady getting a lot of shit from mothers everywhere.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:07:40
January 09 2011 00:07 GMT
#31
This Article is a joke. Do you think an Asian parent would have fostered Mark Zucklebergs odd interests in computers, before the dotcom boom of the 2000s? That an asian parent would have allowed Bill Gates to drop out of College? No they wouldn't have, and now there children call these men boss.
Too Busy to Troll!
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
January 09 2011 00:07 GMT
#32
Chinese people looooooove anecdotal evidence. They LOVE to tell stories. The trick is to basically ask for citations. I ask for citations to anecdotes all the time, statistical evidence. It's really hard to make your point against someone who keeps asking for statistics and citations when you try to plow them with anecdotes, and then looks smug and basically shrugs their shoulders in an "I don't really care what you have to say" way when they ask you for citations.

Anyhow all my mom's "parenting" did for me... was not much. I didn't learn french, I cheated on tests, I got out as fast as I could. I stopped playing the piano, I didn't do homework and I lied all the time.

But I do see where they are comming from. If I wasn't inherently very smart anyways (and liked thinking and learning) I would have ended up as a mediocre person. Asian parents are often trying to push medicore people into being exceptional - the cracks and leaks start to show when they are asked to innovate, come up with new ideas, and work creatively (as it has shown in many of my classmates in university).

Self-esteem is also exceptionally important to a society. Compare the cultures of entreprenuralism in Europe and North america. In the US if you start a buisness and fail, that's a notch in your hat. It's not about how many times or how hard you fail, it's about how well you can get back up. And people respect that, and this sort of culture is what makes buisness so succesful in North America. In Europe, going bankrupt is like a death knell.

When people try to push themselves hard and make themselves the best I laugh. If you want to get ahead in life, don't try to make yourself the best. Unless you are a true genius (in which case you'll succeed regardless), 1 person cannot produce as much as 2 people or 5 people of medicore quality can. But a person who can harness the strengths of a group of people makes themselves exponentially more valuable. If you want your kid to be successful, you should be drilling them in how to manipulate people, not into being a tool for someone else to use.
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
January 09 2011 00:08 GMT
#33
On January 09 2011 08:58 Jstor wrote:
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On January 09 2011 08:49 resilve wrote:
There are aspects of being a well-rounded person that such an upbringing does not give you, unfortunately.

In the UK, I have notived the same kind of parenting from many of my friends who were Indian or Pakistani or British Asian - I guess the mentality is the same. If their child isn't a financially successful person they are deemed to have failed, whereas I think a much healthier perspective is that if your child is unhappy the parent has failed. Obviously doing a job with prestige and a high wage is an important goal, but the method of getting there taken by such mothers is often counter-productive to the happiness of the children and their general life experience.




Too bad contrary to popular belief, money does lead to happiness, as long as you're not a retard and know how to use it.


I am not advocating a hippy style "if you got love you dont need no possessions" mentality - only that there is more to growing up than your grades.

Grades are still vitally important.

However when I did badly in a test at school I had the individual thought process and drive to change it, not a forced beating or guilt-trip from my parents. The kids I know with this kind of childhood basically lived a fun-free life.

I even knew one 7th Day Adventist family who wouldnt let their kid go to any social gatherings, let alone a party or play out after school - I don't care if he is earning a 7 figure salary after university, that is no humane way to raise a child or create a balanced person.

Socke Fighting!!!!
gamecrazy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States421 Posts
January 09 2011 00:08 GMT
#34
I prefer to just label the whole "Asian parent" premise farcical. We already know there are bossy parents in every single race, but, while politically incorrect, it is just true that there are MORE bossy Asian (read Chinese in the article) parents. It's just a cultural difference.

My parents are Asian (not Chinese), but they let off on the discipline since middle school and I've been getting straight A's in all my classes ever since. Sure, the kids who are driven by there parents may succeed when their parents are watching and judging them, but nothing beats being motivated by yourself. I don't see anything really wrong with parents bossing their children around if their children are content with being mediocre, but I think that the environment a child grows up in (I was surrounded by other kids who wanted to be straight A music prodigy doctors) is more crucial than how hardass the parents are.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
January 09 2011 00:11 GMT
#35
Lol the things they aren't allowed to do, ie be children.
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
January 09 2011 00:11 GMT
#36
On January 09 2011 09:00 Hawkins wrote:
This article speaks the truth-the better parenting model is the Chinese, althou I wouldn't say it is exclusively Asian. The ppl who are bashing on this article are just retards/failures at live or failures as parents.
edit: or fat disgusting pigs justifying themselves with shit as big bones or I am handsome/beautiful the way I am.Also they probably are ignorant and arrogant deuches who only speak their mother tongue.


I wish we could PM moderators and link them to people like you.

2 posts in and they're both terrible. I'd put money on you being a recently banned user.

You said that the Chinese parenting model is the best, but not exclusively Asian. Last I checked, China was exclusively Asian. You also misspelled "although".

You spelled "people" in internet shorthand, a sin both condemned specifically by Team Liquid and an indicator of unintelligence.

You said "live" instead of "life".

You later edited in completely unnecessary insults and assumptions aimed at people who disagree with you. You also misspelled "douches", a word that in and of itself is unintelligent to use.

Your parents must have raised you well.


Those people that you're insulting so cleverly happen to think that social interaction and freedom is important in a child's emotional and social development, something that has been shown time and time again to be true. Is every child going to grow up as an accountant or an engineer? No, most of them will be apathetic and work shitty jobs at grocery stores. However, intelligent people with stern, positive reinforcement and pressure will be just as successful as a child chained to his bed with extra homework.
Lanaia is love.
Blitzer
Profile Joined April 2004
Australia243 Posts
January 09 2011 00:11 GMT
#37
I don't like how the article seems to equate success as purely being academic success. There are many different forms of success. Also it seems to rely very strong on anecdotal evidence which is pretty much useless . Personally i think there should be more focus on the needs of the individual child and not some pre-set regimen for how their entire life should go without taking into account the individual personality characteristics.

I recall that in my early years, my parents tried to help me but i really wasn't interested in their help and preferred to do and learn things by myself. This has continued on throughout my academic life. Whereas my sisters liked to ask for help and have things explained to them in some aspects of their homework etc. Neither method is 'wrong' its just different.

I can't stand the idea that there's one 'right' way to raise a kid, and everything else is different. Whilst i'm not asian myself i had some friends that were. Some of their parents weren't as strict as the stereotype. However if you want to use anecdotal evidence then one of my friends who was often studying up to 5 hours a night performed terribly on a constant basis and was just scraping a pass. I barely studied in comparison and did basically no homework (if i did half an hour study/work i considered that a big sacrifice) but performed better than him all the time. He really just wasn't suited to academics.

I don't like the factory production line type style of parenting. I think a childhood should be fun and that's what i remember from mine. I wouldn't change a thing. Yes i could have achieved much better marks if i studied harder, but i had enough to make it into my course at uni comfortably, if i had gotten higher it would not have assisted me at all, so in my way of thinking that extra work would have been a waste. Also i can't speak for other countries, but people in Australia can be very successful without obtaining University Degrees. I would encourage anyone to do what THEY are good at, because ultimately doing what you're good at and what you like is what will lead to a happy life and if that's not what you're aiming for then you're doing it wrong.
Mess with the best, die like the rest!
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 00:12:51
January 09 2011 00:12 GMT
#38

Too bad contrary to popular belief money does lead to happiness, as long as you're not a retard and know how to use it.


And apparently every single psychological study conducted in the past 30 years.

But I guess your too smart for those huh
Too Busy to Troll!
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 09 2011 00:13 GMT
#39
On January 09 2011 09:06 Hawkins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 09:01 BasedSwag wrote:
On January 09 2011 09:00 Hawkins wrote:
This article speaks the truth-the better parenting model is the Chinese, althou I wouldn't say it is exclusively Asian. The ppl who are bashing on this article are just retards/failures at live or failures as parents.


"failures at live"... "althou"? Are you sure your parents were Chinese bro?

This is the Internet-the place where raping languages is accepted. Just take a look at Blizz Eu edition of WoW. Honor instead of honour etc. I can say althou instead of although just as I can say sup, hackzor or m8 and of course live instead of live or visa versa. I am not chinese or asian, but that tdoesn't mean that I shouldn't see what is right. And I have a half broken keyboard.

In american-english, you spell honor without the u. Sorry to break it to you.

But anywho, i agree with pretty much every poster here. I was afraid to read the article when i saw in the WSJ, but it pretty much shows how NOT to parent to me - while discipline and obedience is important, it shouldn't drive your parenting skills to the point of depression to the kids :/.
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
January 09 2011 00:14 GMT
#40
This is only valid if you value financial success over happiness and mental stability. Personally being the sort of guy I am I would have cut her throat in her sleep were I her son.
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