EPTUniversity A neccesity? - Page 6
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
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Order
Lithuania231 Posts
Besides, you can always get a job according to your specialization in this case, computer science. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6182 Posts
Personally, I don't have one. I have a programming college diploma (between school and university in Quebec) and I'm really find with it. | ||
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dANiELcanuck
Canada217 Posts
On January 05 2011 10:46 Chef wrote: No (to your questions, yes I attend university). There's a lot of routes you can take to a comfortable life. Trades are a perfectly viable route, and sometimes you can get paid as you learn. Depending on where you live, there might even be a greater demand for tradesmen than university educated people. Only read the OP and first reply, because it was so good. I can speak from experience on this one. I haven't even completed my high school education, but I got involved in the trades (Scaffolding, to be specific), and really fell in love with my job. I completed the entire apprecticeship in record time and now I make 50$ and hour. I also work union, so Fridays I get overtime, and Saturday/Sunday I get doubletime. If you work the long shifts and get lots of hours, you can easily make 120k+ a year. I typically work the warmer months of the year, and take the winters off to spend time with my family and video games. Don't think you need university to make money/be comfortable in life. But don't let people tell you that you don't need an EDUCATION unless you are one of those few people that get are extremely entrepreneurial and get a little lucky. I wish you the best in your future endeavors. PS: If you do decide to look into the trades, I REALLY suggest you get into a union. They treat you very good, you don't have to look hard to find a job, you get educated, and you learn to do things the right way. Don't let people who don't know what they're talking about brainwash you into thinking unions are bad. edit: I also wanted to point out that when your parents were growing up, going to school/university and getting a desk job meant you and your family would be well off and comfortable. These days that isn't the case. Tradeskills aren't promoted enough in this day and age, they are definitely more viable(I hate to use this word here) than deskjobs these days. That is if you don't mind a little manual labor/working with your hands. | ||
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Boen
United States7 Posts
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On January 05 2011 21:13 dANiELcanuck wrote: PS: If you do decide to look into the trades, I REALLY suggest you get into a union. They treat you very good, you don't have to look hard to find a job, you get educated, and you learn to do things the right way. Don't let people who don't know what they're talking about brainwash you into thinking unions are bad. Be careful about unions, you should only join one if your employer approves of it or you could be losing your job very quickly. | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway472 Posts
Be careful about unions, you should only join one if your employer approves of it or you could be losing your job very quickly. Whoa whoa, is this standard thinking for job-applying in the united states? like a "basic" concern for getting a job? (I was under the impression that one has the right to organize etc?) | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On January 05 2011 21:26 blomsterjohn wrote: Whoa whoa, is this standard thinking for job-applying in the united states? like a "basic" concern for getting a job? (I was under the impression that one has the right to organize etc?) This. I was under the impression that unions were to stop you getting fired for dumb reasons. | ||
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nK)Duke
Germany936 Posts
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On January 05 2011 21:13 dANiELcanuck wrote: Only read the OP and first reply, because it was so good. I can speak from experience on this one. I haven't even completed my high school education, but I got involved in the trades (Scaffolding, to be specific), and really fell in love with my job. I completed the entire apprecticeship in record time and now I make 50$ and hour. I also work union, so Fridays I get overtime, and Saturday/Sunday I get doubletime. If you work the long shifts and get lots of hours, you can easily make 120k+ a year. I typically work the warmer months of the year, and take the winters off to spend time with my family and video games. Don't think you need university to make money/be comfortable in life. But don't let people tell you that you don't need an EDUCATION unless you are one of those few people that get are extremely entrepreneurial and get a little lucky. I wish you the best in your future endeavors. PS: If you do decide to look into the trades, I REALLY suggest you get into a union. They treat you very good, you don't have to look hard to find a job, you get educated, and you learn to do things the right way. Don't let people who don't know what they're talking about brainwash you into thinking unions are bad. edit: I also wanted to point out that when your parents were growing up, going to school/university and getting a desk job meant you and your family would be well off and comfortable. These days that isn't the case. Tradeskills aren't promoted enough in this day and age, they are definitely more viable(I hate to use this word here) than deskjobs these days. That is if you don't mind a little manual labor/working with your hands. Going to emphasize this. Many people have no idea how well you can make it just as a competent tradesman. Sure, you have to do manual labor sometimes, but why is that so bad? Or look at me. I'm an electrician, working for a major manufacturing company, in a union. I make $25 an hour, plus overtime if I go over 40 hours a week or work the weekend. Right now I'm at "work", getting paid to sit at the computer doing busy work until something goes wrong that I have to fix. I have my license, and 4 years in a trade school, which was free, and I got paid good money while i was in it. Oh, and unions. Sometimes good, sometimes not. In my case not. I do pretty specialized work, and yet I make as much as the average joe-blow electrician who wouldn't have the foggiest idea how to do my particular job. Of course they're working in the mud while i sit on my computer and do hardly anything, but that's beside the point. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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winter017
United States103 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
My best advice would be to do a degree if you think that the careers you would like to head towards would benefit from it. If you have no clue what you want to do, and desperately want to go to university regardless, pick a good quality academic degree, such as engineering, physics or economics. They demonstrate an ability to express difficult ideas on paper, and show you are competent with numbers, which are fairly vital regardless of which career you wish to head into. | ||
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
1.Nuclear\ Conventional power plant operator <---what I do (you can get in through the military or testing in) 2.Air traffic controller 3.Real estate agent 4.Surgery Tech 5.Sales person 6.Pipe fitter and other shipyard type jobs 7.Manager (work your way up) 8.Government contractor While most of these jobs don't require a degree it is beneficial to get one and they often will pay for you to goto college while you work for them. | ||
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Kalingingsong
Canada633 Posts
to be 'extremely successful' you have to be willing to take risks, and having higher education (and consequently the lure of a stable job), significantly reduces the willingness of an individual to take risks. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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Hikko
United States1126 Posts
On January 05 2011 20:09 forkleaf wrote: Explaining why everyone here gave you the answers they gave. "...a large part of education at the really elite institutions is simply refinement, teaching the social graces: what kind of clothes you should wear, how to drink port the right way, how to have polite conversation without talking about serious topics, but of course indicating that you could talk about serious topics if you were so vulgar as to actually do it..." "...the 1930s were a period of major labor strife and labor struggles in the U.S., and it was scaring the daylights out of the whole business community here--because labor was finally winning the right to organize... Harvard introduced a "Trade Union Program." What it did was to bring in rising young people in the labor movement--you know, the guy who looks like he's going to be the Local president next year--and have them stay in dorms in the Business School, and put them through the a while socialization process, help them come to share some of the values and understandings of the elite... meanwhile business is fighting a vicious class war on the side. And that effort to socialize and integrate union activists--well, I've never measured its success, but I'm sure it was very successful." "...a black civil rights activist who came to study at Harvard Law School... gave a talk in which he described how kids starting off at Harvard Law School come in with long hair and backpacks and social ideals, they're all going to go into public service law to change the world and so on--that's the first year. Around springtime, the recruiters come for the cushy summer jobs in the Wall Street Law firms, and these students figure, "What the heck, I can put on a tie and a jacket and shave for one day, just because I need that money and why shouldn't I have it?" So they put on the tie and the jacket for that one day, and they get the job, and then they go off for the summer--and when they come back in the fall, it's ties, and jackets, and obedience, a shift of ideology" Book: "Understanding power: the indispensable Chomsky" I'm not sure what you're getting at. The first quote is just dopey (perhaps not for a Speech class, but who takes that for more than one semester?), the second is based on a false premise, as labor unions had been organizing for many years before the 30's, and the third shows that the students got a reality check that they can't have a full beard, look like a hippie, and use lots of drugs if they wanted to have a real job in the field of law. From my own experience and the experience of my family members, I would strongly advise you to go to school if you really want to pursue Computer Science. While the going might seem good for a while, you will hit a wall soon enough where you won't be able to move up in pay or in your career path without getting more education. Can you delay getting your education for a while? Absolutely! The reason to do it right after high school rather than later is so that you have less to worry about while doing school. My brother is just now going to college at age 34 to get a degree in Computer Science after working as a programmer for 14 years. Instead of just working a part time job and going to school, he now has three kids and a wife to support while going to school full time and working a full time. At least give college a try. If you don't like your computer science classes, and you WILL learn if you love it or hate it after your first semester of course work, then you will have learned soon enough to do something else with your life. If you hate the math, then you shouldn't be doing Computer Science, and should switch to a different career path. Unless you have connections, getting a job right now sucks, and your time would probably be better spent going to school. A university or community college education isn't essential for many careers, but computer science without a degree is a terrible route to go down. | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
If you do go to university you'll simply learn slower, but you'd build contacts/friends. But you would achieve more learning yourself. Only if you went to a university which you knew was leading in the field and would teach you what you'd end up using in the industry in x years would it ever be worth it. Currently I know 7+ programming languages and systems I'll never need thanks to pointless forced modules in them at university. Plan what you want to do in the future and look at what the job listings say they want for those listings and learn that yourself and you'd do well with making a portfolio. | ||
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