EPTUniversity A neccesity? - Page 11
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
On January 08 2011 11:31 Irrelevant wrote: Kid A gets a bottom level internship with company X, Kid B goes to a 4year Uni and gets a job for Company X, 5years, 10years, 15years down the road Kid B is still calling Kid A BOSS. And how does one do that without going to university? I've had two internships so far, and I couldn't have gotten either one had I not been at school. | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
Success is a progressive realization of a worthy ideal. Let me give you an example: IF you are presently a C student in 7th grade and you are working towards honors, actually doing activities that will develop you into an honors student you are just as successful as a millionaire businessman trying to increase his income into the billions and doing activities to actually increase his income substantially. You can become successful in an instant. Also, college is not necessary to make a lot of money. In fact, Bill Gates dropped out of college (He's going back and getting his degree now if i'm not mistaken though). Henry Ford only had a couple weeks of schooling, he didn't even attend high school. Bob Proctor dropped out of high school after two months and worked for a fire hall for 4,000 dollars a year. He went on to study Napoleon Hill's work and took his income into the hundred thousands one year later, to the millions the year after. He has increased his income thousandfold and never attended college. Those are just a few examples. http://www.college-startup.com/college/15-successful-entrepreneurs-who-didnt-need-college/ http://socyberty.com/people/10-famous-millionaire-high-school-dropouts/ I can give you thousands of examples. Hell, i've seen charts and tables showing a higher % of people without college degrees being millionaires than people with 4 year degrees being millionaires. The only thing a college degree does is help you land a job initially. However, working is the absolute worst way to make money. A college degree would be very helpful if you wanted to enter a field of physics/engineering, medicine, or law and you were completely committed to really excel in those fields and its what you wanted to do more than anything. Apart from that, I think its a waste of time to go to college, and money. Were living in a new economy, the beliefs of the masses about money originated way back 2000+ years ago. At this time working was probably the best way to make money unless you were born into wealth, however that IS NOT the case today. So many people go from poverty/middle class to being millionaires. You just need to make the decision to become one and follow a definite plan made by somebody with an abundance of knowledge regarding money (ie: a financial planner). Hope that helps. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
You are you. Your life is...your life. No one else. How you want to live it is your choice. Going to a university has its perk, but not mandatory. It HELPS. But NOT mandatory. How you wanna achieve your dream and goals is solely dependent on YOU. If you think a university degree is a must then that is YOUR choice. If you think otherwise, an alternative path will show only after YOU find it. There are options in life. Life is not some linear thing where some theory or rules can be applied to it ("you must have a degree to be successful"). Remember: There are always options in life. Always. And no means yes. Live your life. Make your rules | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
University is easier as in you're pampered, you're always being led by someone and standards are lower. Self education requires a motivation that is absent in most people and you should really know without a doubt if you're not one of them. But in your area, it is certainly possible to educate yourself (not exactly a lone enterprise) using the web as a guide. | ||
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Flushot
United States218 Posts
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Flushot
United States218 Posts
As far as college being necessary, it really depends on what you want to do. I am currently in medical school and to be here, I had to get a degree that was not only expensive but completely worthless to me now. It was merely a stepping stone. That said, some bachelor degrees do teach you skills, but those tend to be uncommon. I'm talking actual technical skills, not theory. As much as I had to study in undergrad, it was all concepts and nothing I could get a job with. I have several CS friends who discuss the general worthlessness of some of their classes as they can learn relevant languages faster on their own, but sometimes, you need to prove your worth to some companies and that might have to be with an overpriced piece of paper. | ||
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KCrazy
United States278 Posts
 . So much tuition money spent on amazing out of class lectures, huge databases, research facilities, libraries etc... and so little of it used! | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
In most industries (particularly the one you want to get into) experience counts for much more than the piece of paper. The problem is usually just getting your foot in the door (which a degree helps with). Trades are often dismissed out of hand. My father is a master drywaller/taper/construction worker and has built up quite a reputation. He consistently gets $40-$60/hour jobs, with the occasional $75-90/hour gem. I've not yet graduated from highschool, and i managed to have the right skill set and a lot of luck to establish a solid career for myself designing video games. If i continue on my path, i would not be surprised to see myself sitting at a six figure salary at some point. The most important thing to keep in mind is that you have time. I have several friends who decided to go back to school when they were older (24-30) and start their career then. They do not regret working their earlier years, travelling, saving money, personal growth, etc, before throwing themselves into debt. Along those lines, i have several other friends who obtained a degree and either didn't use it, or found out afterwards that they do not want to do it for the rest of their lives. It's not race. Take your time. good luck to you in whatever you decide. | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On January 05 2011 11:11 Sm3agol wrote: I'm currently making about $55k a year at age 25 with no college degree, so no, it's not exactly necessary. It does make it easier on you though. From what I've seen experience > degree. If you have two guys, one with no degree and 4 years experience in a field, and the other with a 4 year degree and no experience, the guy with the experience has the edge. Obviously this doesn't apply to some careers like doctors/lawyers/etc, though, so it all depends on where you want to end up in life. Edit: On the other hand though, I would love to have a degree.....it just isn't worth it, because in the time it would take to get a degree, I could have made $210k....I would love a degree in music...but the practical side of me knows that I'll never make good money playing what I love, classical music. Omg I feel you man, I decided that I wouldn't have the persistence to put in the effort for a music degree/performance career and went to take a Pharmacy degree instead. 2nd year right now. That being said, professional careers require their respective degrees, otherwise a degree has some other uses such as for aspiring teachers/professors but imho taking a degree just for the sake of it is just not meaningful unless you want to cover your bases. | ||
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
Am I earning a lot? Not a huge amount, but it's more than enough for a comfortable lifestyle with my own car/home/newest technology/eating out with friends etc. Opens up a lot more for me as well with manufacturer training and having a good standing if you will with our TAFE, I always have the option to return to do some more learning. Put it this way, when I applied for my job, I got selected over people who had degrees/graduated. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
One thing that interested me: some people said that certain degrees were worthless. Well then why do people pursue degrees in art history or music in the first place. I'd think companies would still have a requirement that a person have a degree for a job even if they weren't doing engineering or medicine or law. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
For the rest of us, there's the art history, psych, liberal arts majors. Just so we can get a diploma which is basically like pledging to a fraternity: meaningless work you do to prove youre eligible... The point of a diploma is that its supposed to show others you're a responsible person, capable and disciplined to completing a long term task. Most ppl at graduating age don't have much to show, so having completed school is a huge accomplishment on your resume. Its also supposed to tell that you're an educated person capable of critical thinking, but since uni stopped teaching that long time ago when they decided they wanted to enroll everyone, that's really no longer the case. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
The first thing they did was send me China for a week to document/translate, they were really happy with the results and I'm now sitting on the 32,679 dollars a year with 5 weeks paid vacation a year.Living very comfortably. After taxes, rent, electricity and all that boring stuff you need to pay every month I get 1447 dollars to spend on "a decent life". So at least in Sweden it's very much possible. I spend way less than I earn and I feel like I'm spending money by the bucket. Also getting payed to go to another country to take pictures is probably the best job in the world. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
If not you will not be successful. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
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bellweather
United States404 Posts
But should you get a degree? If the opportunity presents itself (ie; you don't have to help your parents with the rent because you're not well off financially), then ABSOLUTELY. Do not listen to posts with cute little anecdotes about not going to college and making $X/yr, these accounts should make zero impact in your decision making process. For every one of these posts I could easily find a homeless person without a degree. Your chances of finding a lucrative position are vastly superior with a degree than without, and there have been tons of studies done on this by universities/ BLS/ etc. And even if you could find a nice position somewhere without a degree, let's say your parents own a car dealership or something, who's to say that you wouldn't do even better WITH a degree. If you're posing the question then it's not about necessity, but choice; and it clearly favors you/your career to attend college. Plus, college is pretty damn fun  | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 09 2011 06:41 Impervious wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U Thanks, love those. Really a bit too much to believe in its entirety. I like to maintain a healthy skepticism. | ||
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