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On November 11 2010 13:20 sooch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 12:39 Zzoram wrote:On November 11 2010 12:37 XinRan wrote:
I think Canadian colleges shouldn't establish grades as the primary criterion for admission. If they take more of a holistic approach and consider all aspects of an applicant's character, then they can achieve a student body that is both social and high-achieving. I say think twice about admitting a student with good grades but lacking hobbies, regardless of race. The issue isn't a lack of hobbies or not socializing. It's that the way the asian kids socialize and the hobbies they have aren't valued as equal to the way white students socialize and their hobbies. Why does hockey or football make you more well rounded than anime and starcraft clubs? Why is clubbing and keggers more social than conversation at clubs or while playing board games or discussing school? Yep, try putting "Starcraft clan co-leader - practice session leader (15hr per week)" and see how you do vs someone who (white or asian) knows the stereotypical, generally "white" hobbies and activities when you apply for basically anything.
Thats not how that would play out though. If I was president of a club that just played sc, I wouldn't call it SC club; I'd call it "brainwave" or something. I would host meetings where member would gather and discuss new advances in technology or enjoy a relaxing environment with individuals that share a similar interest. Something along those lines. Certainly wouldn't call it sc lan club.
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On November 11 2010 13:17 alan25 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 13:10 d3_crescentia wrote:On November 11 2010 12:30 alan25 wrote:
im asian, im not saying all asians are like this but if you notice how an asian immigrant parent treats their kids its pretty abusive, mostly you see this at a very young age, the kids have to yell to get any attention, you're basically emotionally damaged/distant from the beginning, this goes into the stereotype of "blank face asians" its not because asians are born like that, its because a lot of parents are very abusive and to them (the victims), feeling anything (emotions) is very difficult for anyone who has abusive parents.
"ya but i thought all parents know how to raise their kids with love" this isn't true for asian parents (they literally ignore it or forgotten what love is), i wouldn't call them cowards, but its a very a long cycle that has gone on for centuries, hitting/disciplining is just way a of life for asians (at least to poorer less educated which is a majority) to be shitty and unforgiving.
from what i've seen with my younger cousin (he's 4 now), it seems like he doesn't have much of a grounding (a strong emotionally/happy mother/father to look up to) so the child acts very ill tempered which reflects their own parents. So in turn for the child acting in such a bad manner his parents do hit him on occasion, his mother even talks to mine about i'm actually quoting "you need to bring the child indoors so white people don't see you hitting him", from what i've seen its just another case of a new born loving child confused about why the fuck is everyone around him so shitty i.e "unfun". its just fear over love, im sure a lot of people might have the same issues of trusting someone with your emotions.
as time progresses the child either becomes like his parents (distant emotionally, ignorant), or he can stop being like that and say "fuck it, ill run around naked to prove fearlessness like a raised by love white man" =p This is complete bullshit for one reason - incongruent cultures. If you live in a Western society you get all sorts of conflicting messages from an Asian family versus society at large. Asian culture tells you to study hard and get a well-paying job so you can support a family. Western culture tells you to pursue your individual dreams and damn everybody else. In a Western country where Asian kids adopt Western values, immigrant Asian parents don't know how to handle their rebelliousness except by the way they were dealt with as unruly children - through means that Westerners would fear for getting child services called on them. In the end it only serves to reinforce the image of strict, uncaring, abusive Asian parents, and creates a tension between being filial and "being yourself." The funny thing is that in an Asian country, parents treat their kids this way ALL the time - and guess what? They end up pretty well-adjusted, because there wasn't at least as much incongruency between parental values and societal values. They laugh about the times they were smacked around for being mischievous children WITH their parents. So no, I don't think Asian parents are unloving cruel disciplinarians. It's just inherent of being an immigrant family that creates these problems. ya child abuse is something to laugh about. well adjusted? china has the highest crime rate of adults stabbing little pre schoolers, china is in a horrible state, there's a growing rate of child abduction and organ stealing, why? because abusive shitty hivemind mentality of "lets make more babies to live out an entire lifetime of poverty because i would be ruled as an outcast if i rebel"
you're pretty uninformed dude, you should probably stop posting
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On November 11 2010 12:58 Brutaxilos wrote:
I think this thing all boils down to which group is being violated. Non-asian groups can argue that Asians are the ones that are stepping over their roles because they did not have the resources to reach the asian level in school. But Asians can argue, that they studied much harder than the other races and they deserve better, even if they have some resources others dont. As an asian tho, i personally feel that college admissions are unfair.
Wait, what?
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On November 11 2010 12:54 wunsun wrote:
The thing is that the in China, the unemployment rate is VERY high, relative to North American standards. They is a lot of fighting in China over jobs. My friend, an international student, basically said that I would not be able to survive in Hong Kong, as I would be taken advantage of. I am a nice guy, and work hard. However, the way he puts it, is that the most important thing in Hong Kong is success. The method in which success is achieved is not very important. For example, they will be willing to lie and basically downplay my work in a projected, and brag about their successes. A dog eat dog world. Maybe I am just naive, but I believe that does not occur, or maybe not occur as much in the North American workplace. Things in North America are more relaxed, and not as frantic.
There are some things that the articles do not mention, and have been somewhat mentioned by other Tlers. There are, in general, three type of Asians in university.
1) Asian Born in Canada
2) Rich International Students
3) Relatively Poor International Students
Typically, the rich international students will be the ones that are going to clubs. Please do understand this is a generalization, but it is however mostly true. They are the ones from Hong Kong who have rich parents and have been basically been sent to Canada as they are unable to easily secure spot in the university in Hong Kong.
The other two groups work fairly hard in school. However, most international students that are relatively poor will work very hard and will be able to pull out the straight A+s. The reason why is that they understand what it is like to be poor. And they want to move up. Furthermore, they understand that their parents have put a lot of money in them to have them move to North America, pay for their schooling and housing. They want to value their parent's trust. They do have a social life, but their value is in school success.
Students that are born in North America, are kinda of the average. This set of students will work hard, however, will and may put social values ahead of academic values. That being said, the parents instill a very high academic value on the children. I always joke that the most Asian kids are pushed to be engineers, doctors or lawyers. I guess business is now one of the 'wanted' jobs by the parents. Furthermore, there are a lot of childhood stories of hearing how life was back in China and seeing how bad it is. And how little they came to Canada with.
I agree with some parts of your post, but most of it is way too generalized.
And there is no such thing as "Relatively Poor International Students"
International students have to pay triple of domestic student's tuition. If they're from China (Most of them are from China not Hong Kong), and they can afford plane tickets, 4-5 years of their child's rent/living expenses, and the tuition, they are anything but poor.
There are the CBCs, the fobs, and the super fobs, that's it. Income really has nothing to do with it. Some CBCs are rich, some are poor, some fobs are rich, some are poor. All super fobs (The international students) are rich.
As for partying/drinking, again, you can't just generalize them into groups. Some likes to party a lot, some rarely does it and some never.
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On November 11 2010 13:26 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 13:22 Zzoram wrote:On November 11 2010 13:17 alan25 wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 d3_crescentia wrote:On November 11 2010 12:30 alan25 wrote:
im asian, im not saying all asians are like this but if you notice how an asian immigrant parent treats their kids its pretty abusive, mostly you see this at a very young age, the kids have to yell to get any attention, you're basically emotionally damaged/distant from the beginning, this goes into the stereotype of "blank face asians" its not because asians are born like that, its because a lot of parents are very abusive and to them (the victims), feeling anything (emotions) is very difficult for anyone who has abusive parents.
"ya but i thought all parents know how to raise their kids with love" this isn't true for asian parents (they literally ignore it or forgotten what love is), i wouldn't call them cowards, but its a very a long cycle that has gone on for centuries, hitting/disciplining is just way a of life for asians (at least to poorer less educated which is a majority) to be shitty and unforgiving.
from what i've seen with my younger cousin (he's 4 now), it seems like he doesn't have much of a grounding (a strong emotionally/happy mother/father to look up to) so the child acts very ill tempered which reflects their own parents. So in turn for the child acting in such a bad manner his parents do hit him on occasion, his mother even talks to mine about i'm actually quoting "you need to bring the child indoors so white people don't see you hitting him", from what i've seen its just another case of a new born loving child confused about why the fuck is everyone around him so shitty i.e "unfun". its just fear over love, im sure a lot of people might have the same issues of trusting someone with your emotions.
as time progresses the child either becomes like his parents (distant emotionally, ignorant), or he can stop being like that and say "fuck it, ill run around naked to prove fearlessness like a raised by love white man" =p This is complete bullshit for one reason - incongruent cultures. If you live in a Western society you get all sorts of conflicting messages from an Asian family versus society at large. Asian culture tells you to study hard and get a well-paying job so you can support a family. Western culture tells you to pursue your individual dreams and damn everybody else. In a Western country where Asian kids adopt Western values, immigrant Asian parents don't know how to handle their rebelliousness except by the way they were dealt with as unruly children - through means that Westerners would fear for getting child services called on them. In the end it only serves to reinforce the image of strict, uncaring, abusive Asian parents, and creates a tension between being filial and "being yourself." The funny thing is that in an Asian country, parents treat their kids this way ALL the time - and guess what? They end up pretty well-adjusted, because there wasn't at least as much incongruency between parental values and societal values. They laugh about the times they were smacked around for being mischievous children WITH their parents. So no, I don't think Asian parents are unloving cruel disciplinarians. It's just inherent of being an immigrant family that creates these problems. ya child abuse is something to laugh about Strict asian parenting isn't always the case, it's also a stereotype. This whole article is about overblown stereotypes. In my opinion it's foolish to think that Asians have a limited "social life" compared to any other group, in the same way it's foolish to think that Asians are "smarter" than any other group.
Basically. The only reason it's an issue is because Asians do tend to work harder and value education more, hence the wildly disproportionate representation in unviersity campuses according to statistics, to the point that universities are quietly discriminating against Asians to keep their numbers down.
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On November 11 2010 13:27 dasanivan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 13:17 alan25 wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 d3_crescentia wrote:On November 11 2010 12:30 alan25 wrote:
im asian, im not saying all asians are like this but if you notice how an asian immigrant parent treats their kids its pretty abusive, mostly you see this at a very young age, the kids have to yell to get any attention, you're basically emotionally damaged/distant from the beginning, this goes into the stereotype of "blank face asians" its not because asians are born like that, its because a lot of parents are very abusive and to them (the victims), feeling anything (emotions) is very difficult for anyone who has abusive parents.
"ya but i thought all parents know how to raise their kids with love" this isn't true for asian parents (they literally ignore it or forgotten what love is), i wouldn't call them cowards, but its a very a long cycle that has gone on for centuries, hitting/disciplining is just way a of life for asians (at least to poorer less educated which is a majority) to be shitty and unforgiving.
from what i've seen with my younger cousin (he's 4 now), it seems like he doesn't have much of a grounding (a strong emotionally/happy mother/father to look up to) so the child acts very ill tempered which reflects their own parents. So in turn for the child acting in such a bad manner his parents do hit him on occasion, his mother even talks to mine about i'm actually quoting "you need to bring the child indoors so white people don't see you hitting him", from what i've seen its just another case of a new born loving child confused about why the fuck is everyone around him so shitty i.e "unfun". its just fear over love, im sure a lot of people might have the same issues of trusting someone with your emotions.
as time progresses the child either becomes like his parents (distant emotionally, ignorant), or he can stop being like that and say "fuck it, ill run around naked to prove fearlessness like a raised by love white man" =p This is complete bullshit for one reason - incongruent cultures. If you live in a Western society you get all sorts of conflicting messages from an Asian family versus society at large. Asian culture tells you to study hard and get a well-paying job so you can support a family. Western culture tells you to pursue your individual dreams and damn everybody else. In a Western country where Asian kids adopt Western values, immigrant Asian parents don't know how to handle their rebelliousness except by the way they were dealt with as unruly children - through means that Westerners would fear for getting child services called on them. In the end it only serves to reinforce the image of strict, uncaring, abusive Asian parents, and creates a tension between being filial and "being yourself." The funny thing is that in an Asian country, parents treat their kids this way ALL the time - and guess what? They end up pretty well-adjusted, because there wasn't at least as much incongruency between parental values and societal values. They laugh about the times they were smacked around for being mischievous children WITH their parents. So no, I don't think Asian parents are unloving cruel disciplinarians. It's just inherent of being an immigrant family that creates these problems. ya child abuse is something to laugh about. well adjusted? china has the highest crime rate of adults stabbing little pre schoolers, china is in a horrible state, there's a growing rate of child abduction and organ stealing, why? because abusive shitty hivemind mentality of "lets make more babies to live out an entire lifetime of poverty because i would be ruled as an outcast if i rebel" you're pretty uninformed dude, you should probably stop posting
why don't you inform me then
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On November 11 2010 13:31 alan25 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 13:27 dasanivan wrote:On November 11 2010 13:17 alan25 wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 d3_crescentia wrote:On November 11 2010 12:30 alan25 wrote:
im asian, im not saying all asians are like this but if you notice how an asian immigrant parent treats their kids its pretty abusive, mostly you see this at a very young age, the kids have to yell to get any attention, you're basically emotionally damaged/distant from the beginning, this goes into the stereotype of "blank face asians" its not because asians are born like that, its because a lot of parents are very abusive and to them (the victims), feeling anything (emotions) is very difficult for anyone who has abusive parents.
"ya but i thought all parents know how to raise their kids with love" this isn't true for asian parents (they literally ignore it or forgotten what love is), i wouldn't call them cowards, but its a very a long cycle that has gone on for centuries, hitting/disciplining is just way a of life for asians (at least to poorer less educated which is a majority) to be shitty and unforgiving.
from what i've seen with my younger cousin (he's 4 now), it seems like he doesn't have much of a grounding (a strong emotionally/happy mother/father to look up to) so the child acts very ill tempered which reflects their own parents. So in turn for the child acting in such a bad manner his parents do hit him on occasion, his mother even talks to mine about i'm actually quoting "you need to bring the child indoors so white people don't see you hitting him", from what i've seen its just another case of a new born loving child confused about why the fuck is everyone around him so shitty i.e "unfun". its just fear over love, im sure a lot of people might have the same issues of trusting someone with your emotions.
as time progresses the child either becomes like his parents (distant emotionally, ignorant), or he can stop being like that and say "fuck it, ill run around naked to prove fearlessness like a raised by love white man" =p This is complete bullshit for one reason - incongruent cultures. If you live in a Western society you get all sorts of conflicting messages from an Asian family versus society at large. Asian culture tells you to study hard and get a well-paying job so you can support a family. Western culture tells you to pursue your individual dreams and damn everybody else. In a Western country where Asian kids adopt Western values, immigrant Asian parents don't know how to handle their rebelliousness except by the way they were dealt with as unruly children - through means that Westerners would fear for getting child services called on them. In the end it only serves to reinforce the image of strict, uncaring, abusive Asian parents, and creates a tension between being filial and "being yourself." The funny thing is that in an Asian country, parents treat their kids this way ALL the time - and guess what? They end up pretty well-adjusted, because there wasn't at least as much incongruency between parental values and societal values. They laugh about the times they were smacked around for being mischievous children WITH their parents. So no, I don't think Asian parents are unloving cruel disciplinarians. It's just inherent of being an immigrant family that creates these problems. ya child abuse is something to laugh about. well adjusted? china has the highest crime rate of adults stabbing little pre schoolers, china is in a horrible state, there's a growing rate of child abduction and organ stealing, why? because abusive shitty hivemind mentality of "lets make more babies to live out an entire lifetime of poverty because i would be ruled as an outcast if i rebel" you're pretty uninformed dude, you should probably stop posting why don't you inform me then
better solution above
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On November 11 2010 13:29 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 13:26 emperorchampion wrote:On November 11 2010 13:22 Zzoram wrote:On November 11 2010 13:17 alan25 wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 d3_crescentia wrote:On November 11 2010 12:30 alan25 wrote:
im asian, im not saying all asians are like this but if you notice how an asian immigrant parent treats their kids its pretty abusive, mostly you see this at a very young age, the kids have to yell to get any attention, you're basically emotionally damaged/distant from the beginning, this goes into the stereotype of "blank face asians" its not because asians are born like that, its because a lot of parents are very abusive and to them (the victims), feeling anything (emotions) is very difficult for anyone who has abusive parents.
"ya but i thought all parents know how to raise their kids with love" this isn't true for asian parents (they literally ignore it or forgotten what love is), i wouldn't call them cowards, but its a very a long cycle that has gone on for centuries, hitting/disciplining is just way a of life for asians (at least to poorer less educated which is a majority) to be shitty and unforgiving.
from what i've seen with my younger cousin (he's 4 now), it seems like he doesn't have much of a grounding (a strong emotionally/happy mother/father to look up to) so the child acts very ill tempered which reflects their own parents. So in turn for the child acting in such a bad manner his parents do hit him on occasion, his mother even talks to mine about i'm actually quoting "you need to bring the child indoors so white people don't see you hitting him", from what i've seen its just another case of a new born loving child confused about why the fuck is everyone around him so shitty i.e "unfun". its just fear over love, im sure a lot of people might have the same issues of trusting someone with your emotions.
as time progresses the child either becomes like his parents (distant emotionally, ignorant), or he can stop being like that and say "fuck it, ill run around naked to prove fearlessness like a raised by love white man" =p This is complete bullshit for one reason - incongruent cultures. If you live in a Western society you get all sorts of conflicting messages from an Asian family versus society at large. Asian culture tells you to study hard and get a well-paying job so you can support a family. Western culture tells you to pursue your individual dreams and damn everybody else. In a Western country where Asian kids adopt Western values, immigrant Asian parents don't know how to handle their rebelliousness except by the way they were dealt with as unruly children - through means that Westerners would fear for getting child services called on them. In the end it only serves to reinforce the image of strict, uncaring, abusive Asian parents, and creates a tension between being filial and "being yourself." The funny thing is that in an Asian country, parents treat their kids this way ALL the time - and guess what? They end up pretty well-adjusted, because there wasn't at least as much incongruency between parental values and societal values. They laugh about the times they were smacked around for being mischievous children WITH their parents. So no, I don't think Asian parents are unloving cruel disciplinarians. It's just inherent of being an immigrant family that creates these problems. ya child abuse is something to laugh about Strict asian parenting isn't always the case, it's also a stereotype. This whole article is about overblown stereotypes. In my opinion it's foolish to think that Asians have a limited "social life" compared to any other group, in the same way it's foolish to think that Asians are "smarter" than any other group. Basically. The only reason it's an issue is because Asians do tend to work harder and value education more, hence the wildly disproportionate representation in unviersity campuses, to the point that universities are quietly discriminating against Asians to keep their numbers down.
I think that this is true outside of University, however within University I don't think that's the case. Hence more Asian students (comparatively) get accepted, yet I would say that activity, both academic and otherwise, within University is pretty much the same across all groups.
Edit: When I say outside of University I mean high school, and even then I think it's overblown.
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you seem to know more, then prove it, just don't sit there saying "i know more you know less" prove me wrong, - stop being stereotypical asian
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On November 11 2010 13:01 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 12:58 XinRan wrote:On November 11 2010 12:40 Monoxide wrote:On November 11 2010 12:37 XinRan wrote:
I think Canadian colleges shouldn't establish grades as the primary criterion for admission. If they take more of a holistic approach and consider all aspects of an applicant's character, then they can achieve a student body that is both social and high-achieving. I say think twice about admitting a student with good grades but lacking hobbies, regardless of race. Depends on what you mean by hobbies. Alot of the high achieving "asian" students are coming in with very good grades and tons of hobbies. Granted they might not all be sports, but the admissions committee would be discriminating against stuff like piano, yearbook club, executive at some student organization, etc. I see that you're Canadian, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpreted this snippet: Canadian universities, apart from highly competitive professional programs and faculties, don’t quiz applicants the same way, and rely entirely on transcripts. to mean Canadian universities do not consider anything but grades.
If they do consider extra-curriculars, I think it is okay to discriminate against over-represented activities. To consider a hyperbolic scenario, if 50% of the student body plays piano, would admitting a ton of new pianists add to the school? Extra-curriculars only matter for grad school and professional school. Why would adding more hockey players benefit an academic institution over piano players? Favoring sports over other hobbies is just a sneaky way of affirmitive actioning more whites and blacks into university since asians aren't known for their athletic ability and have more cerebral hobbies.
Well if 50% of the student body plays hockey, adding more hockey players wouldn't benefit the institution. I'm not saying that some activities are in some way intrinsically superior to others. I just think there should be a diversity of activities so that students have more opportunities to participate in new activities and their respective social spaces, and college admission committees should admit students to promote diversity of activities.
You do bring up an interesting case of the favoritism shown to sports though. I think admission committees favor sports because they provide a shared value for the student body. When your school's hockey team faces off against another school's team, many people in your school is going to rally together and root for your school's team. A sports game is a pure spectacle where universities compete for superiority. If your school wins, it brings a sense of pride about the school.
I know not everyone cares about sports games, however, so my use of the second person implied a generality that I didn't intend. Not everyone feels a sense of community when watching sports games, but in American culture, which I am assuming is similar to Canadian culture, most people do feel that sense of community. Because most people feel that sense of community, admission committees make an effort to build strong sports teams. It all depends on the culture though. I'm sure the hypothetical Teamliquid University would make an effort to build strong Starcraft and Starcraft II teams.
Personally I feel neutral about admission committees favoring sports over other activities. I'm not the type to go crazy at home (American) football games, but school sports does give me something to talk about with my fellow students and the student-athletes I know are cool people. In the end, everything comes down to personal preference. If you don't like athletics and go wild at Starcraft clubs and piano concerts, then choose the school that favors those activities.
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On November 11 2010 13:34 XinRan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 13:01 Zzoram wrote:On November 11 2010 12:58 XinRan wrote:On November 11 2010 12:40 Monoxide wrote:On November 11 2010 12:37 XinRan wrote:
I think Canadian colleges shouldn't establish grades as the primary criterion for admission. If they take more of a holistic approach and consider all aspects of an applicant's character, then they can achieve a student body that is both social and high-achieving. I say think twice about admitting a student with good grades but lacking hobbies, regardless of race. Depends on what you mean by hobbies. Alot of the high achieving "asian" students are coming in with very good grades and tons of hobbies. Granted they might not all be sports, but the admissions committee would be discriminating against stuff like piano, yearbook club, executive at some student organization, etc. I see that you're Canadian, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpreted this snippet: Canadian universities, apart from highly competitive professional programs and faculties, don’t quiz applicants the same way, and rely entirely on transcripts. to mean Canadian universities do not consider anything but grades.
If they do consider extra-curriculars, I think it is okay to discriminate against over-represented activities. To consider a hyperbolic scenario, if 50% of the student body plays piano, would admitting a ton of new pianists add to the school? Extra-curriculars only matter for grad school and professional school. Why would adding more hockey players benefit an academic institution over piano players? Favoring sports over other hobbies is just a sneaky way of affirmitive actioning more whites and blacks into university since asians aren't known for their athletic ability and have more cerebral hobbies. Well if 50% of the student body plays hockey, adding more hockey players wouldn't benefit the institution. I'm not saying that some activities are in some way intrinsically superior to others. I just think there should be a diversity of activities so that students have more opportunities to participate in new activities and their respective social spaces, and college admission committees should admit students to promote diversity of activities. You do bring up an interesting case of the favoritism shown to sports though. I think admission committees favor sports because they provide a shared value for the student body. When your school's hockey team faces off against another school's team, many people in your school is going to rally together and root for your school's team. A sports game is a pure spectacle where universities compete for superiority. If your school wins, it brings a sense of pride about the school. I know not everyone cares about sports games, however, so my use of the second person implied a generality that I didn't intend. Not everyone feels a sense of community when watching sports games, but in American culture, which I am assuming is similar to Canadian culture, most people do feel that sense of community. Because most people feel that sense of community, admission committees make an effort to build strong sports teams. It all depends on the culture though. I'm sure the hypothetical Teamliquid University would make an effort to build strong Starcraft and Starcraft II teams. Personally I feel neutral about admission committees favoring sports over other activities. I'm not the type to go crazy at home (American) football games, but school sports does give me something to talk about with my fellow students and the student-athletes I know are cool people. In the end, everything comes down to personal preference. If you don't like athletics and go wild at Starcraft clubs and piano concerts, then choose the school that favors those activities.
I'm actually a bit surprised that University of Waterloo doesn't favor Starcraft players over sports players given the student body. I'm surprised that UoT and UW don't have a big official Starcraft teams with a rivalry going on, since I bet they could get pretty huge crowds watching the games from both schools.
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I shudder at the thought of universities limiting applicants based on their private lives. It sounds like everyone ELSE needs to work harder, or at the very least, decide what their priorities are.
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On November 11 2010 13:34 alan25 wrote:
you seem to know more, then prove it, just don't sit there saying "i know more you know less" prove me wrong, - stop being stereotypical asian
Since when was arrogance a stereotypical asian trait?
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On November 11 2010 12:30 alan25 wrote:
im asian, im not saying all asians are like this but if you notice how an asian immigrant parent treats their kids its pretty abusive, mostly you see this at a very young age, the kids have to yell to get any attention, you're basically emotionally damaged/distant from the beginning, this goes into the stereotype of "blank face asians" its not because asians are born like that, its because a lot of parents are very abusive and to them (the victims), feeling anything (emotions) is very difficult for anyone who has abusive parents.
"ya but i thought all parents know how to raise their kids with love" this isn't true for asian parents (they literally ignore it or forgotten what love is), i wouldn't call them cowards, but its a very a long cycle that has gone on for centuries, hitting/disciplining is just way a of life for asians (at least to poorer less educated which is a majority) to be shitty and unforgiving.
from what i've seen with my younger cousin (he's 4 now), it seems like he doesn't have much of a grounding (a strong emotionally/happy mother/father to look up to) so the child acts very ill tempered which reflects their own parents. So in turn for the child acting in such a bad manner his parents do hit him on occasion, his mother even talks to mine about i'm actually quoting "you need to bring the child indoors so white people don't see you hitting him", from what i've seen its just another case of a new born loving child confused about why the fuck is everyone around him so shitty i.e "unfun". its just fear over love, im sure a lot of people might have the same issues of trusting someone with your emotions.
as time progresses the child either becomes like his parents (distant emotionally, ignorant), or he can stop being like that and say "fuck it, ill run around naked to prove fearlessness like a raised by love white man" =p
Damn, the white man's ways have taken root deep in you. I think your Asian daddy did not hit you hard enough!
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On November 11 2010 13:34 alan25 wrote:
you seem to know more, then prove it, just don't sit there saying "i know more you know less" prove me wrong, - stop being stereotypical asian
there isn't anything to prove wrong dude, you never really presented any facts to begin with.
and i'd like to know what your idea of a "stereotypical asian" is, and why i should stop being one.
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On November 11 2010 13:39 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 12:30 alan25 wrote:
im asian, im not saying all asians are like this but if you notice how an asian immigrant parent treats their kids its pretty abusive, mostly you see this at a very young age, the kids have to yell to get any attention, you're basically emotionally damaged/distant from the beginning, this goes into the stereotype of "blank face asians" its not because asians are born like that, its because a lot of parents are very abusive and to them (the victims), feeling anything (emotions) is very difficult for anyone who has abusive parents.
"ya but i thought all parents know how to raise their kids with love" this isn't true for asian parents (they literally ignore it or forgotten what love is), i wouldn't call them cowards, but its a very a long cycle that has gone on for centuries, hitting/disciplining is just way a of life for asians (at least to poorer less educated which is a majority) to be shitty and unforgiving.
from what i've seen with my younger cousin (he's 4 now), it seems like he doesn't have much of a grounding (a strong emotionally/happy mother/father to look up to) so the child acts very ill tempered which reflects their own parents. So in turn for the child acting in such a bad manner his parents do hit him on occasion, his mother even talks to mine about i'm actually quoting "you need to bring the child indoors so white people don't see you hitting him", from what i've seen its just another case of a new born loving child confused about why the fuck is everyone around him so shitty i.e "unfun". its just fear over love, im sure a lot of people might have the same issues of trusting someone with your emotions.
as time progresses the child either becomes like his parents (distant emotionally, ignorant), or he can stop being like that and say "fuck it, ill run around naked to prove fearlessness like a raised by love white man" =p Damn, the white man's ways have taken root deep in you. I think your Asian daddy did not hit you hard enough!
my great asian dad commited suicide when i was 5 ?^.^?
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On November 11 2010 13:34 alan25 wrote:
you seem to know more, then prove it, just don't sit there saying "i know more you know less" prove me wrong, - stop being stereotypical asian
stereotypical asian? looks like you are racist and ignorant which makes your posts above biased and therefore useless to the discussion that is happening here.
yeah sure child abuse happens in some immigrant homes, but are you seriously suggesting that stuff doesnt happen elsewhere?
EDIT: looool whoops missed a few posts above ok lemme rewrite this
EDIT2: ok so i misunderstood where you are coming from but there are problems being raised in an asian family and sure if you grew up in the wrong end that does not mean that EVERY family has this shit going on. for example if you grew up in the ghetto as a black child theres gangs and drugs does that mean all black families have this crap going on? same with the case of a white family where daddy beats his wife and kids, the man is scum but that does not mean you can say the whole race has that problem
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On November 11 2010 12:59 FuRong wrote:
Seriously, I don't see how this is a problem. There will always be a degree of racial segregation (in terms of socialising) at universities, just like in real life. People generally tend to hang out with others who are like them and share the same interests and values, and this isn't going to change.
I dunno about everyone else, but I would be the first in line to sign up for a university that had a reputation for being "too asian". It would certainly be a welcome break from the retarded "hurp durp let's get drunk every weekend and skate by with a C- average" mainstream culture of universities in NZ. I'm white but I can probably count the number of white friends I have on one hand. At uni me and my friends would often complain that university organised events were nothing but drinking and partying. Hell, the biggest student club at AU is the fucking "drinking club", I kid you not. By far the most fun events we attended were organised by the asian clubs or through groups of friends.
Will the percentage of Asians at universities continue to grow? Yes, because in general Asians have a better work ethic and will out-perform their white counterparts academically. Does this mean that the demographics and culture on campus will change? Of course it does. But is this a cause for concern? Hell no, I think it's a good thing if Asians raise the bar a little and create a desirable social alternative to the widely accepted university lifestyle of drinking, partying and not giving a fuck.
If you want people to do something other than drink, party and not give a fuck you have to make university mean something. Right now we have way too many people going to university because university is the new high school, you don't go there because you want or expect to learn something, you go there because it's a line item you're expected to have on your resume if you want to get a job. Why do you need it to get a job? Because everyone else going for the job went to university too, so you don't want to be the one who is thrown in the bin before even getting an interview.
Education isn't about learning, it's an arms race where everyone is trying to one up each other. Seems to me the people have realised this and know that getting that degree at the end is the only point and are at least determined to have a good time doing so (drinking and partying is what a lot of people enjoy, like it or not).
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On November 11 2010 13:42 Shakes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 12:59 FuRong wrote:
Seriously, I don't see how this is a problem. There will always be a degree of racial segregation (in terms of socialising) at universities, just like in real life. People generally tend to hang out with others who are like them and share the same interests and values, and this isn't going to change.
I dunno about everyone else, but I would be the first in line to sign up for a university that had a reputation for being "too asian". It would certainly be a welcome break from the retarded "hurp durp let's get drunk every weekend and skate by with a C- average" mainstream culture of universities in NZ. I'm white but I can probably count the number of white friends I have on one hand. At uni me and my friends would often complain that university organised events were nothing but drinking and partying. Hell, the biggest student club at AU is the fucking "drinking club", I kid you not. By far the most fun events we attended were organised by the asian clubs or through groups of friends.
Will the percentage of Asians at universities continue to grow? Yes, because in general Asians have a better work ethic and will out-perform their white counterparts academically. Does this mean that the demographics and culture on campus will change? Of course it does. But is this a cause for concern? Hell no, I think it's a good thing if Asians raise the bar a little and create a desirable social alternative to the widely accepted university lifestyle of drinking, partying and not giving a fuck. If you want people to do something other than drink, party and not give a fuck you have to make university mean something. Right now we have way too many people going to university because university is the new high school, you don't go there because you want or expect to learn something, you go there because it's a line item you're expected to have on your resume if you want to get a job. Why do you need it to get a job? Because everyone else going for the job went to university too, so you don't want to be the one who is thrown in the bin before even getting an interview. Education isn't about learning, it's an arms race where everyone is trying to one up each other. Seems to me the people have realised this and know that getting that degree at the end is the only point and are at least determined to have a good time doing so (drinking and partying is what a lot of people enjoy, like it or not).
That's why grad school and professional school is the new higher education, while undergrads have lost a lot of value. However, getting into those requires people who actually care enough to get good marks in school.
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