EPTToo Asian? - An Article on Universities - Page 3
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I am not surprised at the inherent racism that some of these american universities go through to maintain their precious WASP standard. Been to a few places in america where people are surprised to even see somebody with my skin colour, and it is something that is engrained so deeply into people's minds that they don't even conciously think about it. Just being different is already a reason for discrimination, regardless of who they are or what they do. | ||
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alan25
United States379 Posts
"ya but i thought all parents know how to raise their kids with love" this isn't true for asian parents (they literally ignore it or forgotten what love is), i wouldn't call them cowards, but its a very a long cycle that has gone on for centuries, hitting/disciplining is just way a of life for asians (at least to poorer less educated which is a majority) to be shitty and unforgiving. from what i've seen with my younger cousin (he's 4 now), it seems like he doesn't have much of a grounding (a strong emotionally/happy mother/father to look up to) so the child acts very ill tempered which reflects their own parents. So in turn for the child acting in such a bad manner his parents do hit him on occasion, his mother even talks to mine about i'm actually quoting "you need to bring the child indoors so white people don't see you hitting him", from what i've seen its just another case of a new born loving child confused about why the fuck is everyone around him so shitty i.e "unfun". its just fear over love, im sure a lot of people might have the same issues of trusting someone with your emotions. as time progresses the child either becomes like his parents (distant emotionally, ignorant), or he can stop being like that and say "fuck it, ill run around naked to prove fearlessness like a raised by love white man" =p | ||
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goldrush
Canada709 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:18 ZoW wrote: It's pretty much a known fact all Asians go to class, go back, study, study, study some more. Its just the way asian parenting works, where you get drilled to have a good work ethic. Don't say 'all Asians'. It's not a fact. I know just as many Asians who are smart as who are dumb. Don't pretend like we're one faceless entity who are programmed from birth to think, act, and talk the same way. I am constantly amazed that people can talk about Asians this way without getting called out for it. About the article: If the other people value getting into university more than you, shouldn't they deserve to get in? Why should the university change its admissions rather than asking the other people why they don't change if getting in is so damned important to them? University is more than just the marks, but in my opinion, learning should still be the priority, and the admissions process should be open and transparent and reflect the priorities of the university. If you want to have a certain racial distribution, then I'd like the university to come out and say the exact percentages that they're aiming for and anything else that they're considering. If they can't handle the press that they get from being completely open, then maybe they shouldn't do it. | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
the part about non-integration is still valid though. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:30 Mykill wrote: i cant find it anymore from your source LOL Macleans removed the article! All mention and links to it have been removed from their site. There are still tons of newspaper articles that talk about the article though, I'll link some of them. | ||
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TheYukoner
Canada80 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On November 11 2010 11:57 blagoonga123 wrote: I thought the whole point of parenting was to try to ingrain some values onto your children. While thats true to an extent, I'd rather think of it as ingraining values through being a role model, not putting horse blinders on your child so that they go into exactly what you want. | ||
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:36 MonsieurGrimm wrote: While thats true to an extent, I'd rather think of it as ingraining values through being a role model, not putting horse blinders on your child so that they go into exactly what you want. I don't know if that's how parents would think. Imo, kids are an investment(strictly speaking), and as a parent, you'd obviously want that investment to grow as much as possible. I dunno, if I had a kid, and he told me he wanted to go into a B.A. majoring in history of art, I wouldn't be very happy. | ||
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squintz
Canada217 Posts
Try growing up in India instead; the likelihood of even being accepted into a University is less than 1/100th of what you currently have in North America. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:37 XinRan wrote: I think Canadian colleges shouldn't establish grades as the primary criterion for admission. If they take more of a holistic approach and consider all aspects of an applicant's character, then they can achieve a student body that is both social and high-achieving. I say think twice about admitting a student with good grades but lacking hobbies, regardless of race. The issue isn't a lack of hobbies or not socializing. It's that the way the asian kids socialize and the hobbies they have aren't valued as equal to the way white students socialize and their hobbies. Why does hockey or football make you more well rounded than anime and starcraft clubs? Why is clubbing and keggers more social than conversation at clubs or while playing board games or discussing school? | ||
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:31 goldrush wrote: Don't say 'all Asians'. It's not a fact. I know just as many Asians who are smart as who are dumb. Don't pretend like we're one faceless entity who are programmed from birth to think, act, and talk the same way. I am constantly amazed that people can talk about Asians this way without getting called out for it. I'm asian too btw, and yeah i definitely could have worded that better. My bad if I offended you. Its just the whole societal stigma I've grown up around i guess. it was always a competition between all my friends from elementary to junior high of who got better grades and did better in school. Our parents just raised us that way, where its like "OH WHY CANT YOU BE LIKE HIM? HE GOT A 100 AND YOU GOT A 97". Funny thing is I was the only one to get tired of it :\ | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:37 XinRan wrote: I think Canadian colleges shouldn't establish grades as the primary criterion for admission. If they take more of a holistic approach and consider all aspects of an applicant's character, then they can achieve a student body that is both social and high-achieving. I say think twice about admitting a student with good grades but lacking hobbies, regardless of race. Depends on what you mean by hobbies. Alot of the high achieving "asian" students are coming in with very good grades and tons of hobbies. Granted they might not all be sports, but the admissions committee would be discriminating against stuff like piano, yearbook club, executive at some student organization, etc. | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:33 LosingID8 wrote: also i think that half of this article isn't really applicable to koreans... all the different korean student organizations i've ever heard of, such as KASA/KSA/KISA, all party super hard. the part about non-integration is still valid though. But not all Koreans are part of Korean student organizations. The fact that a student is part of a student organization says that the he or she wants to interact with others. It's true that the article doesn't apply to ALL Koreans, but I'm sure that there exists Koreans who shut themselves in their rooms all day studying. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
It always irked me how Canadians are so proud of the vaunted 'mosaic' rather than the 'melting pot'. So there's no explicitly 'Canadian' identity. So immigrants are encouraged to keep their old culture and be proud of it. Okay, but now you've got pieces which are different shapes, different sizes. What are you going to do? Canada is known for multiculturalism. This is it. This is multiculturalism. Take it or leave it. While thats true to an extent, I'd rather think of it as ingraining values through being a role model, not putting horse blinders on your child so that they go into exactly what you want. I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but every Asian parent (including mine) I know is a role model. They work as hard as they want you do. They'll work all the hours they need to send you to university. They'll make you study like they (wanted to, in a lot of cases) study. Their primary goal is to have their children 'succeed'. Do I like it? Of course not. It's stupid. It's pointless. It's a vicious circle, and it's hard to find where happiness and fulfillment fit in. But it's the way they live, and it's the way they want to live. If change is to happen, it will happen through persuasion. Go up to them. Talk to them. Teach them. There's no magic involved, no intrinsic magnetism pointing to UofT. It's just the way things are, the way things don't have to be. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
Anyways my teacher mentioned today that people do make stereotypes, like the saying "all men are pigs" or "all blonds are dumb" (most of my classmates are blond and smart, see how society has these negative sayings and connotations?) All my friends are non-Asian (2% Asian University), yet my friends don't drink when we hang out. We play nerdy games like Magic and watch Tv shows or Anime XD. My parents, are the most supporting and loving "Asian" parents that I can ever want. They understand my difficulties, and their only requirement for me is that "I try my best". I know that there are many "Asian" parents that push their children, but it cannot be said the same for every "Asian". | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:28 flamewheel wrote: I'm Asian and damn proud of being so. No drinking no smoking no drugs no excessive partying. I like it like this. That's ridiculous, to imply that no Asians drink, smoke, ect is complete garbage- just as equally as to say that all Caucasians drink, smoke, ect. Maclean's tends to post a LOT of garbage articles every now and then, and I think this is one of them. Maybe McGill is way way different from these schools (which I highly doubt) but Asians are pretty similar to Caucasians in term of "extra curricular activities". Argghh, I don't know how else to put it, but this article and most of the posts are sooo short sighted. A lot of these posts make me glad I came to McGill :p EDIT: Alright, I've come to accept that either: 1) McGill is radically different from UofT/Waterloo 2) Most people here have no idea how to compare the two populations. From what I've seen equal amounts of Asians and Caucasians are: involved in clubs, are closet nerds, party, are dumb, are smart, work hard, slack off, ect. Really, I mean remove the blinders people. Remarks like: On November 11 2010 12:18 ZoW wrote: It's pretty much a known fact all Asians go to class, go back, study, study, study some more. Its just the way asian parenting works, where you get drilled to have a good work ethic. The article is quite true, but hey, why would you care so much about what they say or think? Sure they have fun, get the "social experience", party, drink, etc. Its fine if that's what they want to do, everyone's got a choice how they want to live. But then asians spend time on their grades, because its the smart thing to do. sure you miss out on being social for a few years, but 10 years later when your living off 6 figures a year and on a yacht ballin' with other rich people you'll thank yourself and laugh at all the idiots you knew in university who got shit faced everyday. and "Asian parents actually teach values." are completely ridiculous. I think the fact that Asians are smarter/perform better is a dumb stereotype. A lot of Asians work hard and deserve the results, but some of the jumps you guys are making seem ridiculous. Also, please don't take this as an attack on Asians- my opinion is that both groups are equal on pretty much all terms. | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On November 11 2010 12:45 XinRan wrote: But not all Koreans are part of Korean student organizations. The fact that a student is part of a student organization says that the he or she wants to interact with others. It's true that the article doesn't apply to ALL Koreans, but I'm sure that there exists Koreans who shut themselves in their rooms all day studying. of course they exist, but likewise there are caucasians who also shut themselves in their room studying all day long too. it's just my anecdotal evidence, but i have found that koreans in general (whether they were part of an org or not) tend to go out a decent amount. but that might just have been the result of our proximity to to koreatown. | ||
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