Views on construction of Mosque at Ground Zero - Page 22
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conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
For that matter it's not even at Ground Zero, let alone two blocks away, it's something like five blocks away. They're building it to educate people about Islam, to distance themselves away from radicals, they're not trying to incite anyone. People, especially those protesting, are just using it as an excuse to get angry and point fingers at something. After all they can't blame Obama for everything all the time. On that note, Muslims died on 9/11 when the towers fell too. It's quite clear that Islam and Muslims in general are the new 'Communist Red Menace' of the McCarthy era. I find it funny there's such hatred against Muslims in the United States amongst many Conservatives, but if you ask them why we're in Iraq they'll say "To free the people there from oppression" It's not like people in Iraq are Muslims or anything, no sir. I hate to quote Ron Paul but he pretty much put it that this brash hatred is the only reason the western world is fighting wars in the Middle East. | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 07:05 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: We had another thread about how people thought Obama was Muslim and most of this discussion was contained within there. Personally I'd rather TL never made a thread about this. It's simple sensationalism backed up by interviewing people on the street, nitpicking the ones with the angriest replies, and then showing it to the folks at home to rile them up and increase TV ratings. I thought TL was smarter than to have to discuss this. This is mainly for the republican TV stations and newspapers. I am actually embarrassed to be living in the States because of how the rest of the world must view us and our intelligence as a whole. However I am not embarrassed to be living with so many bright minds who do make this country a leader in industry. Whether or not Obama should have said anything about the Mosque personally is another question. His ratings are plummeting and just saying this could cause a shift in seats in Congress or his prematurely leaving the White House. I don't think it will, and I hope people will forget. Don't be embarassed. This is not just a Republican issue at this point. Most NYCers are against the mosque. Most NYers are against the mosque. Most NYers are democrats. Recent poll on the Guardian (UK) website: 66% against the mosque http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/poll/2010/aug/14/ground-zero-mosque-poll This issue is a lot tamer than what has happened in Switzerland or France. Yes, the administration will be hammered by this issue come election time. | ||
DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On August 26 2010 11:08 conTAgi0n wrote: They should move it proxy = bm imo. We just need to kill the pylons! Those damnable muslims will be frozen in their tracks! | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 11:32 Shrewmy wrote: It irks me when people call it a 'Mosque'. It's a Mosque the same way a Christian Private School is a Church. It may have ties to the founding religion but it exists to educate people about Islam, not rub it in their faces. For that matter it's not even at Ground Zero, let alone two blocks away, it's something like five blocks away. They're building it to educate people about Islam, to distance themselves away from radicals, they're not trying to incite anyone. People, especially those protesting, are just using it as an excuse to get angry and point fingers at something. After all they can't blame Obama for everything all the time. On that note, Muslims died on 9/11 when the towers fell too. It's quite clear that Islam and Muslims in general are the new 'Communist Red Menace' of the McCarthy era. I find it funny there's such hatred against Muslims in the United States amongst many Conservatives, but if you ask them why we're in Iraq they'll say "To free the people there from oppression" It's not like people in Iraq are Muslims or anything, no sir. I hate to quote Ron Paul but he pretty much put it that this brash hatred is the only reason the western world is fighting wars in the Middle East. It a building has a prayer hall large enough to fit 2000 people, it's a mosque. Pretty darn big one at that. It's 2 blocks away from ground zero, couple min walk. Don't pull numbers out of your ass. http://batteryparkcity.com/real-estate/developer-sharif-el-gamal-sees-park-51-mosque-as-empire-state-building/ | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 08:42 SilverLeagueElite wrote: Is the prayer room non denominational? Obviously not. It's an Islamic center first and foremost. | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 08:38 TanGeng wrote: What is appeasement? Groveling to the aggressors and the sponsors of this building are the aggressors who took down the Twin Towers? By all the literature I have read, they are ideologically different from the terrorists. Their only commonality is their professed religion and even then they might not agree. There are so many different sects of Islam. Are we to lump all Muslims into the terrorist camp? Are we suppose expect Americas to be so stupid as to not differentiate between terrorists and non-terrorists? These actions have consequences. It teaches Americans to be dumb and learn that all Muslims are similar to those those terrorists and it teaches Muslims that they aren't particularly welcome in their own country. They want to promote "interfaith dialogue", should be clear to the developers by now that most locals are against their initiative. If they were concerned about building bridges with the community, they would heed this by now and look to build it further away. Location of the mosque at a site hit by WTC wreckage is insensitive. | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 07:56 Nyxs wrote: Agreed and while we're at it lets ban all the churches for what they did in the Dark Ages to Europe :'] I don't see any Christian extremists flying planes into Mecca. Oh yeah, it's also illegal to build a church in Saudi Arabia. | ||
TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On August 26 2010 12:17 thesighter wrote: I don't see any Christian extremists flying planes into Mecca. Oh yeah, it's also illegal to build a church in Saudi Arabia. Nah, Christians have their crusades and "War on Terrorism". | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 08:09 Rev0lution wrote: The issue has been made huge here in New York, everybody and their mother has an opinion on the matter. Most people think it will be built right next to Ground Zero. It's two fucking blocks away. Blocks in manhattan are as long as a football field. Two blocks away is as close as they could get it. The location was also chosen for its significance in that it was one of the neighboring buildings hit by WTC wreckage. So yeah, the building symbolizes ground zero. It was chosen by the developers for that very reason. | ||
TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On August 26 2010 12:19 thesighter wrote: Two blocks away is as close as they could get it. The location was also chosen for its significance in that it was one of the neighboring buildings hit by WTC wreckage. So yeah, the building symbolizes ground zero. It was chosen by the developers for that very reason. A way to spite the Islamic Extremists. You 100% fail to see that point. | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 12:21 TOloseGT wrote: A way to spite the Islamic Extremists. You 100% fail to see that point. There are a lot of things Muslims can do to spite Islamic Extremists, building a mosque at ground zero wouldn't be on a short list. When this mosque is completed, it will be cheered by extremists. | ||
TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On August 26 2010 12:26 thesighter wrote: There are a lot of things Muslims can do to spite Islamic Extremists, building a mosque at ground zero wouldn't be on a short list. When this mosque is completed, it will be cheered by extremists. Until they find out it's a 13 floor community center. | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 12:28 TOloseGT wrote: Until they find out it's a 13 floor community center. With a prayer hall that can fit 2000 people. So yeah, it's a mosque. | ||
TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On August 26 2010 12:42 thesighter wrote: With a prayer hall that can fit 2000 people. So yeah, it's a mosque. Uh no, it's a community center. | ||
Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On August 26 2010 12:17 thesighter wrote: I don't see any Christian extremists flying planes into Mecca. Oh yeah, it's also illegal to build a church in Saudi Arabia. We like to call them drones :p | ||
IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
Sorry for being off topic guys, but I just need him to clearify this for me before I can continue debating about construction of the Mosque. | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:03 IntoTheBush wrote: thesighter, I'm just curious.. On 7-7-05 there were 2 trains and a bus bombed in London. Do you beleive that Al-Qaeda was behind that as well? Sorry for being off topic guys, but I just need him to clearify this for me before I can continue debating about construction of the Mosque. No, homegrown terrorists inspired by Anwar al-Awlaki. | ||
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