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Sanya12364 Posts
I don't see how this is negative. It might be a landmark for Muslims, showing off their assimilation into America and their full citizenship of New York by contributing to the New York skyline.
Deny this and it's potentially more damaging in alienating Muslims that would have otherwise considered themselves full-fledged Americans.
Unless there is more dirt on the sponsors of this "mosque" and community center, I'd be incline to say that there are many more benefits to approving its construction than censuring it.
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On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:40 Pandain wrote:On August 26 2010 05:21 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:17 xbankx wrote:On August 26 2010 05:05 Osservatore wrote:
My understanding of this is very limited because I don't follow much on television, but I don't feel comfortable with a $100M mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.
1) We are currently fighting against muslims who believe and exercise the Quran
2) Muslims that donate and sincerely believe that they aren't widening the gap between the muslim community are kidding themselves
Y'all might call it a false analogy, but if an entity that you generally associate with Christianity (IE, United States) decided to nuke Mecca, and then built an icon of its culture just next door to the drop site, wouldn't you feel a little twinge of frustration?
Insert - Just so you guys don't disregard my post, I'm going to go ahead and say now why that would be a false analogy. First of all, the US has terrible foreign relations, and it's popular to hate America right now. Second, NYC is not known for having Christianity in practice in the way that Mecca is entirely Muslim. Third, nuclear technology is much more devastating, and my analogy presents itself much more as a cultural war.
I'm not going to say that I'm for the government defining a "no muslim zone" in a three mile radius of where the twins stood, but I am going to say that the founders of this mosque are being irresponsible and insensitive. IF mecca has religous freedom like US and if it was Christian Extremist that bombed mecca then fine. As long as it is to accord of the law. I am hoping that even though some people might be against the building of the mosque. They would at least have to admit the Muslims do have the right to build mosque anywhere even on ground zero if it follows the local zoning law. Yeah, everybody knows they have the right the build it. Doesn't mean that they should do so if it's their stated intention for interfaith dialogue. Most of the location population is against the mosque. Most of the local South was against freeing their slaves too. Doesn't mean its the right thing, or that they should be allowed to exert their assumed "superiority" over others. Why shouldn't they do it either? I mean, its more a community center than a mosque. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to practice their religion peacefully just because of some fanatics. Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans. You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example  I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists.
Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening.
Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected.
The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:
In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality.
Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too.
Signed,
Offhand
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On August 26 2010 05:45 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 05:37 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:31 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:16 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:10 TOloseGT wrote:On August 26 2010 05:07 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:05 TOloseGT wrote:On August 26 2010 05:04 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 04:57 Adila wrote:On August 26 2010 04:53 thesighter wrote:
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It will be interpreted as a victory mosque by the extremists, even if it is not built by them. There are ulterior motives at play. Not having it built now would be an even bigger propaganda victory. And I've yet to hear just how far away from the WTC is actually acceptable for it to be built. The construction of the mosque will be viewed as a victory. The closest existing mosque is 4 blocks away. The proposed location is 2 blocks away, chosen because of its proximity to WTC wreckage. Move it 4 or back, and it'll be fine. You have no proof that the location was specifically chosen because of its proximity to Ground Zero. Yes I do. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html?_r=1 I stand corrected. Although in the context of that news article, they chose it to spite Al-Qaeda. Very admirable if you ask me. Rauf's statement is just a PC response for the media to digest. There are ulterior motives at play. Building an "interfaith cultural center" at the WTC to spite Al Qaeda. Come on ... I wasn't born yesterday. Then you're aware of how such extremist movements got started, yes? After the failure of Nasser's Pan-Arabism the politically motivated youths of the day had few causes to rally behind following the Six Day War. Islam experienced a kind of revival in which religious institutions opened their doors for the more secular minded youths. The result, religious based group that held many of the same political beliefs (Arab unity and non-interference by western powers). You also understand that such unity under extremist doctrine means everyone follows the exact same practices as the extremist sect. This puts most Muslims at odds with radical groups, making the ground zero mosque an affront to extremism. The situation is not that simple. The ground zero mosque is likely funded by the Saudi government. Although governments in the Middle East are secular, they often are funding the very same extremists that plague other countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi <- good article about the Saudi influence Wahhabi extremist influence in over 80% of mosques in the US http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/01/10/the_boston_mosques_saudi_connection/ Wahhabism is one of the most conservative sects of Islam. It would do you well to read your own articles though. Show nested quote +Noah Feldman, draws a distinction between what he calls the "deeply conservative" Wahhabis and what he calls the "followers of political Islam in the 1980s and 1990s," such as Egyptian Islamic Jihad and later Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. While Saudi Wahhabis were "the largest funders of local Muslim Brotherhood chapters and other hard-line Islamists" during this time, they opposed jihadi resistance of Muslim governments and assassination of Muslim leaders because of their belief that "the decision to wage jihad lay with the ruler, not the individual believer".[40]
Karen Armstrong believes that Osama bin Laden, like most extremists, follows the ideology of Sayyid Qutb, not "Wahhabism". Still, you refuse to admit that moderate Islam is at odds with radical Islam and that a moderate mosque is in no way a victory symbol... Given the chance, Al Qaeda would just as soon blow up a moderate mosque in the US as they would anywhere else in the world.
Everybody knows that moderate and radical Islam are different... don't put words in my mouth
Osama started as a Wahhabi. Taliban are a Wahhabi movement.
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On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:40 Pandain wrote:On August 26 2010 05:21 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:17 xbankx wrote:On August 26 2010 05:05 Osservatore wrote:
My understanding of this is very limited because I don't follow much on television, but I don't feel comfortable with a $100M mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.
1) We are currently fighting against muslims who believe and exercise the Quran
2) Muslims that donate and sincerely believe that they aren't widening the gap between the muslim community are kidding themselves
Y'all might call it a false analogy, but if an entity that you generally associate with Christianity (IE, United States) decided to nuke Mecca, and then built an icon of its culture just next door to the drop site, wouldn't you feel a little twinge of frustration?
Insert - Just so you guys don't disregard my post, I'm going to go ahead and say now why that would be a false analogy. First of all, the US has terrible foreign relations, and it's popular to hate America right now. Second, NYC is not known for having Christianity in practice in the way that Mecca is entirely Muslim. Third, nuclear technology is much more devastating, and my analogy presents itself much more as a cultural war.
I'm not going to say that I'm for the government defining a "no muslim zone" in a three mile radius of where the twins stood, but I am going to say that the founders of this mosque are being irresponsible and insensitive. IF mecca has religous freedom like US and if it was Christian Extremist that bombed mecca then fine. As long as it is to accord of the law. I am hoping that even though some people might be against the building of the mosque. They would at least have to admit the Muslims do have the right to build mosque anywhere even on ground zero if it follows the local zoning law. Yeah, everybody knows they have the right the build it. Doesn't mean that they should do so if it's their stated intention for interfaith dialogue. Most of the location population is against the mosque. Most of the local South was against freeing their slaves too. Doesn't mean its the right thing, or that they should be allowed to exert their assumed "superiority" over others. Why shouldn't they do it either? I mean, its more a community center than a mosque. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to practice their religion peacefully just because of some fanatics. Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans. You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand
There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque
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On August 26 2010 06:02 thesighter wrote:
Everybody knows that moderate and radical Islam are different... don't put words in my mouth
Osama started as a Wahhabi. Taliban are a Wahhabi movement.
What's your point? Am I supposed to make the equivocation fallacy for you?
The Taliban are all terrorists. The Taliban are all Wahhabists. Therefore, all Wahhabists are terrorists.
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On August 26 2010 06:08 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:40 Pandain wrote:On August 26 2010 05:21 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:17 xbankx wrote:On August 26 2010 05:05 Osservatore wrote:
My understanding of this is very limited because I don't follow much on television, but I don't feel comfortable with a $100M mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.
1) We are currently fighting against muslims who believe and exercise the Quran
2) Muslims that donate and sincerely believe that they aren't widening the gap between the muslim community are kidding themselves
Y'all might call it a false analogy, but if an entity that you generally associate with Christianity (IE, United States) decided to nuke Mecca, and then built an icon of its culture just next door to the drop site, wouldn't you feel a little twinge of frustration?
Insert - Just so you guys don't disregard my post, I'm going to go ahead and say now why that would be a false analogy. First of all, the US has terrible foreign relations, and it's popular to hate America right now. Second, NYC is not known for having Christianity in practice in the way that Mecca is entirely Muslim. Third, nuclear technology is much more devastating, and my analogy presents itself much more as a cultural war.
I'm not going to say that I'm for the government defining a "no muslim zone" in a three mile radius of where the twins stood, but I am going to say that the founders of this mosque are being irresponsible and insensitive. IF mecca has religous freedom like US and if it was Christian Extremist that bombed mecca then fine. As long as it is to accord of the law. I am hoping that even though some people might be against the building of the mosque. They would at least have to admit the Muslims do have the right to build mosque anywhere even on ground zero if it follows the local zoning law. Yeah, everybody knows they have the right the build it. Doesn't mean that they should do so if it's their stated intention for interfaith dialogue. Most of the location population is against the mosque. Most of the local South was against freeing their slaves too. Doesn't mean its the right thing, or that they should be allowed to exert their assumed "superiority" over others. Why shouldn't they do it either? I mean, its more a community center than a mosque. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to practice their religion peacefully just because of some fanatics. Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans. You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque
As much as modern media would tell you otherwise, facebook groups cannot become state or national law.
You are for my law though, yes?
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On August 26 2010 06:09 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:02 thesighter wrote:
Everybody knows that moderate and radical Islam are different... don't put words in my mouth
Osama started as a Wahhabi. Taliban are a Wahhabi movement. What's your point? Am I supposed to make the equivocation fallacy for you? The Taliban are all terrorists. The Taliban are all Wahhabists. Therefore, all Wahhabists are terrorists.
Not exactly. Saudi-sponsored Wahhabism promotes dangerous teachings, which eventually leads to extremist violence.
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On August 26 2010 06:10 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:08 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:40 Pandain wrote:On August 26 2010 05:21 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:17 xbankx wrote:On August 26 2010 05:05 Osservatore wrote:
My understanding of this is very limited because I don't follow much on television, but I don't feel comfortable with a $100M mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.
1) We are currently fighting against muslims who believe and exercise the Quran
2) Muslims that donate and sincerely believe that they aren't widening the gap between the muslim community are kidding themselves
Y'all might call it a false analogy, but if an entity that you generally associate with Christianity (IE, United States) decided to nuke Mecca, and then built an icon of its culture just next door to the drop site, wouldn't you feel a little twinge of frustration?
Insert - Just so you guys don't disregard my post, I'm going to go ahead and say now why that would be a false analogy. First of all, the US has terrible foreign relations, and it's popular to hate America right now. Second, NYC is not known for having Christianity in practice in the way that Mecca is entirely Muslim. Third, nuclear technology is much more devastating, and my analogy presents itself much more as a cultural war.
I'm not going to say that I'm for the government defining a "no muslim zone" in a three mile radius of where the twins stood, but I am going to say that the founders of this mosque are being irresponsible and insensitive. IF mecca has religous freedom like US and if it was Christian Extremist that bombed mecca then fine. As long as it is to accord of the law. I am hoping that even though some people might be against the building of the mosque. They would at least have to admit the Muslims do have the right to build mosque anywhere even on ground zero if it follows the local zoning law. Yeah, everybody knows they have the right the build it. Doesn't mean that they should do so if it's their stated intention for interfaith dialogue. Most of the location population is against the mosque. Most of the local South was against freeing their slaves too. Doesn't mean its the right thing, or that they should be allowed to exert their assumed "superiority" over others. Why shouldn't they do it either? I mean, its more a community center than a mosque. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to practice their religion peacefully just because of some fanatics. Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans. You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque As much as modern media would tell you otherwise, facebook groups cannot become state or national law. You are for my law though, yes?
Just an example of a petition. You understand?
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On August 26 2010 06:14 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:08 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:40 Pandain wrote:On August 26 2010 05:21 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:17 xbankx wrote:
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IF mecca has religous freedom like US and if it was Christian Extremist that bombed mecca then fine. As long as it is to accord of the law. I am hoping that even though some people might be against the building of the mosque. They would at least have to admit the Muslims do have the right to build mosque anywhere even on ground zero if it follows the local zoning law. Yeah, everybody knows they have the right the build it. Doesn't mean that they should do so if it's their stated intention for interfaith dialogue. Most of the location population is against the mosque. Most of the local South was against freeing their slaves too. Doesn't mean its the right thing, or that they should be allowed to exert their assumed "superiority" over others. Why shouldn't they do it either? I mean, its more a community center than a mosque. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to practice their religion peacefully just because of some fanatics. Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans. You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque As much as modern media would tell you otherwise, facebook groups cannot become state or national law. You are for my law though, yes? Just an example of a petition. You understand?
You're avoiding the question.
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On August 26 2010 06:18 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:14 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:08 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:40 Pandain wrote:On August 26 2010 05:21 thesighter wrote:
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Yeah, everybody knows they have the right the build it. Doesn't mean that they should do so if it's their stated intention for interfaith dialogue. Most of the location population is against the mosque.
Most of the local South was against freeing their slaves too. Doesn't mean its the right thing, or that they should be allowed to exert their assumed "superiority" over others. Why shouldn't they do it either? I mean, its more a community center than a mosque. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to practice their religion peacefully just because of some fanatics. Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans. You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque As much as modern media would tell you otherwise, facebook groups cannot become state or national law. You are for my law though, yes? Just an example of a petition. You understand? Your avoiding the question.
I'm against the law. This has been said 100x already, it's legal for them to build it, but it's in awful bad taste.
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On August 26 2010 06:21 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:18 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:14 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:08 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:40 Pandain wrote:
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Most of the local South was against freeing their slaves too. Doesn't mean its the right thing, or that they should be allowed to exert their assumed "superiority" over others. Why shouldn't they do it either? I mean, its more a community center than a mosque. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to practice their religion peacefully just because of some fanatics.
Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans. You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque As much as modern media would tell you otherwise, facebook groups cannot become state or national law. You are for my law though, yes? Just an example of a petition. You understand? Your avoiding the question. I'm against the law. This has been said 100x already, it's legal for them to build it, but it's in awful bad taste.
Almost as bad taste as hating/fearing someone for their religion.
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On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. (See I knew id find another example ) ...
This example would be more appropriate if your water fountain was a jar of water and you wanted to drink it while sitting on a huge complicated electronic device and by spilling your drink a short-circuit would occur that would cause a big ass fire. You are still allowed to have your drink just don't drink it where the consequences might be huge.
On August 26 2010 05:55 Pandain wrote:
Its already two blocks away. Its in new york city man. To get another place would be so expensive . What IS tasteless and insensitive is that Americans think that they have the power to say that a group of religious people are not allowed to worship where they please.
Do you really think that there are many places that are more expensive than lower Manhattan?
And maybe the people that care to worship could be considerate enough to erect their building at another place. Maybe they would have to drive a station further with the subway, but at least they won't be emotionally harming a shitload of people.
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On August 26 2010 06:21 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:18 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:14 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:08 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:40 Pandain wrote:
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Most of the local South was against freeing their slaves too. Doesn't mean its the right thing, or that they should be allowed to exert their assumed "superiority" over others. Why shouldn't they do it either? I mean, its more a community center than a mosque. Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to practice their religion peacefully just because of some fanatics.
Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans. You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque As much as modern media would tell you otherwise, facebook groups cannot become state or national law. You are for my law though, yes? Just an example of a petition. You understand? Your avoiding the question. I'm against the law. This has been said 100x already, it's legal for them to build it, but it's in awful bad taste.
Then you agree that you have no say in what a law abiding religious group does. Any effort to stop such a building process would require a law that is inherently bigoted in it's premise. And that there's a difference between moderate New York Muslims and radical Afgani/Pakistani muslims. Thank you for playing.
Also, I wasn't kidding about the guy who sold halal next to ground zero. He exists, and he's about as much of a victory for extremist Muslims as the mosque would be.
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On August 26 2010 06:31 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:21 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:18 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:14 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:08 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:
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Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans.
You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque As much as modern media would tell you otherwise, facebook groups cannot become state or national law. You are for my law though, yes? Just an example of a petition. You understand? Your avoiding the question. I'm against the law. This has been said 100x already, it's legal for them to build it, but it's in awful bad taste. Then you agree that you have no say in what a law abiding religious group does. Any effort to stop such a building process would require a law that is inherently bigoted in it's premise. And that there's a difference between moderate New York Muslims and radical Afgani/Pakistani muslims. Thank you for playing. Also, I wasn't kidding about the guy who sold halal next to ground zero. He exists, and he's about as much of a victory for extremist Muslims as the mosque would be.
Sorry, but that isn't true. Of course you can't force them to leave, but petitions and boycotts are very real. Especially for 100 million dollar mosques next to ground zero.
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On August 26 2010 06:26 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:21 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:18 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:14 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 06:08 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 06:02 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 05:52 thesighter wrote:On August 26 2010 05:46 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 05:44 thesighter wrote:
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Again, nobody is against the mosque. Just build it two blocks further away. The location of the mosque is tasteless, insensitive, and is opposed by most locals, as well as Americans.
You can drink from a water fountain....just not this one. See I knew id find another example I really don't know what to say. Water fountain does not equal to ground zero where thousands died from Islamic extremists. Thesighter, I'm sorry to say I've given up on trying to help you. Instead, I've decided that we should, as Americans, work together to prevent this ground zero mosque from happening. Would a citizen of New York please start a petition so we can get this on a ballot. Most Americans and New Yorkers are against the mosque so I assume this law should pass easily. Otherwise, this terrible structure will be erected. The Ground Zero Anti-Mosque Law:In observance of the tragedy of 9/11/2001 it is now illegal to build any Islamic place of worship within 4 blocks of the area designated "ground zero". Other places of worship may be placed within this vicinity, but understand that this law is in no way prejudiced against any one relgion or nationality. Addendum: The guy who sells halal out of a cart next to ground zero needs to get out too. Signed, Offhand There's a already a Facebook group with 200,000 against the mosque As much as modern media would tell you otherwise, facebook groups cannot become state or national law. You are for my law though, yes? Just an example of a petition. You understand? Your avoiding the question. I'm against the law. This has been said 100x already, it's legal for them to build it, but it's in awful bad taste. Almost as bad taste as hating/fearing/disturbed someone for their religion.
From reading posts, this is much more political than the bigotry you make it out to be.
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The part that I find weird is that there is another mosque about two blocks away.
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On August 26 2010 06:47 Osservatore wrote:
Sorry, but that isn't true. Of course you can't force them to leave, but petitions and boycotts are very real. Especially for 100 million dollar mosques next to ground zero.
Too bad it's not an 100 million dollar mosque. It's an 100 million dollar cultural center that just so happens to have some prayer rooms.
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On August 26 2010 06:31 Offhand wrote:
Also, I wasn't kidding about the guy who sold halal next to ground zero. He exists, and he's about as much of a victory for extremist Muslims as the mosque would be.
Hey! Don't fuck with the halal vendor. Nobody fucks with food.
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Soooooo much ignorant hatred in this thread. Honestly, why do you even care what religion someone practices? KKK members used a twisted version of Christian beliefs to kill hundreds of blacks. The Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, The Crusades? These all happened because of religious intolerance and xenophobia. The people who are against this mosque are making it appear as though they dislike Islam because it's different from their established Western beliefs.
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On August 23 2010 23:18 JinNJuice wrote:
I'm surprised there isn't a thread about this, I did some searches and found nothing. I want to share some of my views on this topic as well as see some of your opinions.
We had another thread about how people thought Obama was Muslim and most of this discussion was contained within there.
Personally I'd rather TL never made a thread about this. It's simple sensationalism backed up by interviewing people on the street, nitpicking the ones with the angriest replies, and then showing it to the folks at home to rile them up and increase TV ratings. I thought TL was smarter than to have to discuss this.
This is mainly for the republican TV stations and newspapers.
I am actually embarrassed to be living in the States because of how the rest of the world must view us and our intelligence as a whole. However I am not embarrassed to be living with so many bright minds who do make this country a leader in industry.
Whether or not Obama should have said anything about the Mosque personally is another question. His ratings are plummeting and just saying this could cause a shift in seats in Congress or his prematurely leaving the White House. I don't think it will, and I hope people will forget.
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