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FaZe
Canada472 Posts
They have it backwards. This argument is letting the terrorists win. This argument is driving a wedge between local Muslims and their community, a community that should be supporting them in a time when a small group is nearly succeeding in irreperably tainting their reputation as a people. Let them build their Mosque, the fact that humanity in the western world would be showing acceptance and compassion to one another would be the biggest spit in the face of all. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:09 FaZe wrote: The NY'ers that are saying no to the Mosque are acting like children. They think the terrorists will feel like they've "won". They have it backwards. This arguement is letting the terrorists win. This arguement is driving a wedge between local Muslims and their community, a community that should be supporting them in a time when a small group is nearly succeeding in irreperably tainting their reputation as a people. Let them build their Mosque, the fact that humanity in the western world would be showing acceptance and compassion to one another would be the biggest spit in the face of all. This view is incorrect. Islamic teachings are not 100% compatible with the western world. There has been a strong backlash against Muslims in France, Switzerland, Netherlands, etc. Muslim integration is not proceeding smoothly in many European countries. http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/ | ||
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Koldblooded
United States661 Posts
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:06 thesighter wrote: No, homegrown terrorists inspired by Anwar al-Awlaki. You're also saying that the British Govt had nothing to do with those bombings right? The U.S. was running an exercise on 9/11 that involved WTC 1, 2, the Pentagon, and the White House being attacked by commercial jets. I think it's kinda funny that in London they were doing an exercise that involved the same trains, and bus at the EXACT same time it happened just like 9/11. I'm guessing your response will be something like "They were doing exercises because they had knowledge of a possible attack." I bet you watch FOX News a lot. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:20 Koldblooded wrote: Id like to know the actual exact size and location of the proposed mosque. Proposed 13 story building, 2 blocks from ground zero. Use Google Maps/Streetview to take a look at the area. 51 park place new york, ny | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:22 IntoTheBush wrote: You're also saying that the British Govt had nothing to do with those bombings right? The U.S. was running an exercise on 9/11 that involved WTC 1, 2, the Pentagon, and the White House being attacked by commercial jets. I think it's kinda funny that in London they were doing an exercise that involved the same trains, and bus at the EXACT same time it happened just like 9/11. I'm guessing your response will be something like "They were doing exercises because they had knowledge of a possible attack." I bet you watch FOX News a lot. I have no clue how you pulled that out of your ass. I didn't say anything. Aren't you the 911 conspiracy theorist? | ||
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:26 thesighter wrote: I have no clue how you pulled that out of your ass. I didn't say anything. Aren't you the 911 conspiracy theorist? I'm just trying to find out how informed you are. I didn't pull anything out of anywhere. I'm just stating facts and asking questions. I enjoy hearing other peoples views. Especially those who have been washed by our media, and false statements. As far as me being a 9/11 conspiracy theorist you're once again wrong. It's not a theory, it has been proven more ways than 1. If you look at most polls when people are asked if they beleive there was a cover-up on 9/11 people who answered "yes" were around the 90% and that leaves the other 10% with "no." 9/11 isn't the first time the U.S. has used False Flagging as a technique to goto war. Look at the USS Liberty for example, or perheps the Gulf of Tonkin where a US Naval ship was "attacked" by Vietnamese troops. Reports that were released later stated that the accusations were false. In fact the U.S. fired on the Vietnamese, but they did not return fire. Over 50,000 U.S. Soldiers, and 1.2 million Vietnamese died over a lie. What makes you think our Govt. wouldn't do it again.. geez /rant =D | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:50 IntoTheBush wrote: I'm just trying to find out how informed you are. I didn't pull anything out of anywhere. I'm just stating facts and asking questions. I enjoy hearing other peoples views. Especially those who have been washed by our media, and false statements. As far as me being a 9/11 conspiracy theorist you're once again wrong. It's not a theory, it has been proven more ways than 1. If you look at most polls when people are asked if they beleive there was a cover-up on 9/11 people who answered "yes" were around the 90% and that leaves the other 10% with "no." 9/11 isn't the first time the U.S. has used False Flagging as a technique to goto war. Look at the USS Liberty for example, or perheps the Gulf of Tonkin where a US Naval ship was "attacked" by Vietnamese troops. Reports that were released later stated that the accusations were false. In fact the U.S. fired on the Vietnamese, but they did not return fire. Over 50,000 U.S. Soldiers, and 1.2 million Vietnamese died over a lie. What makes you think our Govt. wouldn't do it again.. geez /rant =D Yeah, most people believe in America believe in some type of God too, doesn't make em right does it? If there was proof of it being an inside job, intelligent people would be all over it, instead, you find only nutjobs and people that simply keep saying "ask questions" when they've become so diluted with that saying that they become close minded them selves. I'll look at evidence, don't tell me about it, show me it. Prove to me in PM that it was an inside job, and I'll preach it to everyone I know. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:50 IntoTheBush wrote: I'm just trying to find out how informed you are. I didn't pull anything out of anywhere. I'm just stating facts and asking questions. I enjoy hearing other peoples views. Especially those who have been washed by our media, and false statements. As far as me being a 9/11 conspiracy theorist you're once again wrong. It's not a theory, it has been proven more ways than 1. If you look at most polls when people are asked if they beleive there was a cover-up on 9/11 people who answered "yes" were around the 90% and that leaves the other 10% with "no." 9/11 isn't the first time the U.S. has used False Flagging as a technique to goto war. Look at the USS Liberty for example, or perheps the Gulf of Tonkin where a US Naval ship was "attacked" by Vietnamese troops. Reports that were released later stated that the accusations were false. In fact the U.S. fired on the Vietnamese, but they did not return fire. Over 50,000 U.S. Soldiers, and 1.2 million Vietnamese died over a lie. What makes you think our Govt. wouldn't do it again.. geez /rant =D  Trust me, this forum has been through a lot of 9/11 conspiracy threads. You're not going to enlighten anyone by regurgitating the same arguments that you learned through google or watching a video. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 26 2010 12:19 TOloseGT wrote: Nah, Christians have their crusades and "War on Terrorism". This may be the most ignorant post I have ever seen on TL... and that is saying something. On topic, i'm personally fine with the Mosque. I think if anything this just shows how much better we are than the terrorists. Plus, the more we bitch about it the more the terrorists keep saying "look, they are against islam!" Compared to Europe, we are tame with regards to Islam. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:17 thesighter wrote: This view is incorrect. Islamic teachings are not 100% compatible with the western world. There has been a strong backlash against Muslims in France, Switzerland, Netherlands, etc. Muslim integration is not proceeding smoothly in many European countries. http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/ that source is questionable at best. Just look at the latest opinion poll. "Do moderate Muslims exist?" It's true in france there have been debates over the limits of Islamic traditions but even so to say that Muslim intergration is "not proceeding smoothly" is misleading at best. | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
On August 26 2010 13:09 FaZe wrote: The NY'ers that are saying no to the Mosque are acting like children. They think the terrorists will feel like they've "won". They have it backwards. This arguement is letting the terrorists win. This arguement is driving a wedge between local Muslims and their community, a community that should be supporting them in a time when a small group is nearly succeeding in irreperably tainting their reputation as a people. Let them build their Mosque, the fact that humanity in the western world would be showing acceptance and compassion to one another would be the biggest spit in the face of all. Agreed 100%. (Except for the misspelling of 'argument'.) Also, for every youtube video showing how backwards Islam is, I can make my own video showing how backwards the Bible is when taken literally (which allows selling your daughters into slavery, for instance). | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
It's pretty simple. Radical Muslims killed thousands of people and started 2 wars, building a mosque close to the attack probably isnt the best idea. It would be like if the German embassy was next to a Polish concentration camp. Yes the german people of today dont have anything to do with it, and it's probably legal, but that doesnt mean you have to be a dick about it. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On August 26 2010 16:15 Deadlyfish wrote: It's not about what is legal or not, it's just about not being total idiots. Same with the Muhammad drawings. Yes it is legal and technically there is nothing wrong with it, but that doesnt mean that you should just do whatever you want. It's pretty simple. Radical Muslims killed thousands of people and started 2 wars, building a mosque close to the attack probably isnt the best idea. It would be like if the German embassy was next to a Polish concentration camp. Yes the german people of today dont have anything to do with it, and it's probably legal, but that doesnt mean you have to be a dick about it. WIll people please stop with the horrendous WW2 analogies. Seriously, it's getting old and mildly painful. | ||
KwarK
United States44132 Posts
On August 26 2010 16:15 Deadlyfish wrote: It's pretty simple. Radical Muslims killed thousands of people and started 2 wars How do people still believe this? Even if you accept the tenuous logic that the Taliban in Afghanistan were sheltering Al Qaeda and therefore an attack from them is an attack by the Taliban and therefore invading Afghanistan is really self defence against the Taliban who knew some of the guys who actually started it then that still doesn't explain how Islamic extremism started the war in Iraq. I thought everyone knew Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. In fact, I thought everyone knew that in 2003. Jesus! | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Uncle Leo
60 Posts
On August 26 2010 16:25 KwarK wrote: I thought everyone knew Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. In fact, I thought everyone knew that in 2003. Jesus! Yeah, not to mention Saddam's political party was very secular. | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On August 26 2010 16:25 KwarK wrote: How do people still believe this? Even if you accept the tenuous logic that the Taliban in Afghanistan were sheltering Al Qaeda and therefore an attack from them is an attack by the Taliban and therefore invading Afghanistan is really self defence against the Taliban who knew some of the guys who actually started it then that still doesn't explain how Islamic extremism started the war in Iraq. I thought everyone knew Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. In fact, I thought everyone knew that in 2003. Jesus! For a long while, Bin Laden actually wanted to lead his fighters against Sadam and was actively recruiting for that purpose. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On August 26 2010 15:00 Pandain wrote: that source is questionable at best. Just look at the latest opinion poll. "Do moderate Muslims exist?" It's true in france there have been debates over the limits of Islamic traditions but even so to say that Muslim intergration is "not proceeding smoothly" is misleading at best. That source might be bad, but as someone living in Germany for over 10 years I can assure you that muslims are by far the least integrated group. Now, there are probably countless reasons for this and nobody can be sure how much of a role their religion played. However, "Muslim intergration is not proceeding smoothly" is rather an understatement. By the way, this does not apply only to Germany, but also to many other European countries (somewhere in this thread, a person from Denmark said something similar). This all is quite off-topic, but I just wanted to let you know that many Muslims in Europe struggle with integration a lot (but once I again, I don't know if this is due to "Islamic teachings being not 100% compatible with the western world" as thesighter said) | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
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