EPTViews on construction of Mosque at Ground Zero - Page 25
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
for the first time ever I feel afraid to post my believes on tl.net lol Ill just keep reading | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 27 2010 01:44 Achilles wrote: rofl @ that last post. Last time I checked our buildings weren't made of sand and glue. Yep. A good description of the Middle East is Matt Damon's quote from the movie Syriana: "You know what the business community thinks of you? They think that a hundred years ago you were living in tents out here in the desert chopping each other's heads off and that's where you'll be in another hundred years, so on behalf of my firm I accept your offer." | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
On August 27 2010 02:09 thesighter wrote: Yep. A good description of the Middle East is Matt Damon's quote from the movie Syriana: "You know what the business community thinks of you? They think that a hundred years ago you were living in tents out here in the desert chopping each other's heads off and that's where you'll be in another hundred years, so on behalf of my firm I accept your offer." I think that was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but I haven't heard it in context. Seriously though, many of the countries supposed to be the first inhabited areas of the world so far behind the "new world"... | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
On August 27 2010 02:37 Wolf wrote: I guess some people still don't realise that Muslims and radical terrorists who practise Islam are not the same... good pt. it's just the fact that it's preached by ppl masquerading as religious folks radicalism that is | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 27 2010 02:46 Achilles wrote: good pt. it's just the fact that it's preached by ppl masquerading as religious folks radicalism that is The problem is not that simple. The radical thoughts being preached are broadcast in a widespread manner through the population. For example, take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism . Anti-Semitism is practically institutionalized in Muslim countries. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On August 27 2010 02:49 thesighter wrote: Anti-Semitism is practically institutionalized in Muslim countries. Antisemitism is pretty prevalent in countries constantly bombed by Israel, yes. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 27 2010 02:49 thesighter wrote: The problem is not that simple. The radical thoughts being preached are broadcast in a widespread manner through the population. For example, take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism . Anti-Semitism is practically institutionalized in Muslim countries. Very true. Antisemitism doesn't just take place in their media, but in some educational institutions there as well. | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
On August 27 2010 02:58 Offhand wrote: Antisemitism is pretty prevalent in countries constantly bombed by Israel, yes. You realise it's often, if not always, retaliatory right? and after several well laid out warnings. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7822049.stm a year before: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/01/israel-warns-hamas-after_n_666795.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/01/world/main6735252.shtml Always warned, never listen. It's just so illogical. "Stop" "No" "stop or we'll level your entire city with our clearly better military" "No" *Israel attacks* "zomg UN please help, these terrorists are razing our cities to the ground" There's even a news story published prior their boat fiasco where they warned lebanon. This is TWO YEARS ago: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/israel-warns-boat-borne-activists-2 IMPORTANT EDIT: I'm not saying I condone the violence, but next time you're warned don't act all shocked when the bombs drop. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 27 2010 02:58 Offhand wrote: Antisemitism is pretty prevalent in countries constantly bombed by Israel, yes. There is a difference between Jews and Zionists. Jews in Muslim countries have been heavily persecuted prior to the creation of the state of Israel. Not to mention WW2, when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem recruited Muslims for a Nazi SS division, which later participated in the holocaust in Yugosolavia. This occurred in 1941 in Iraq. This led to 100,000 Iraqi jews emigrating to Israel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud | ||
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warrior6
Canada18 Posts
On August 27 2010 03:06 Achilles wrote: You realise it's often, if not always, retaliatory right? and after several well laid out warnings. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7822049.stm a year before: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/01/israel-warns-hamas-after_n_666795.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/01/world/main6735252.shtml Always warned, never listen. It's just so illogical. "Stop" "No" "stop or we'll level your entire city with our clearly better military" "No" *Israel attacks* "zomg UN please help, these terrorists are razing our cities to the ground" There's even a news story published prior their boat fiasco where they warned lebanon. This is TWO YEARS ago: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/israel-warns-boat-borne-activists-2 IMPORTANT EDIT: I'm not saying I condone the violence, but next time you're warned don't act all shocked when the bombs drop. hahaha oh brother...its more along the lines of stop so we can continue to dominate every point of your lives while we kick you out of your homes to move our own extremist citizens in and regulate every little thing that goes in and out of your land while we divide your community and territories with more settlements and put giant walls around your communities with snipers who open fire on people who look even a little suspicious....stop or we will bend the world's greatest superpower to our will and fuck you up. we are afterall above all laws. we will kill 3000 people for every 10 that you manage to kill with your pop bottle rockets in addition, israel has broken ceasefires on numerous occasions | ||
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SPYTE
United States289 Posts
On August 27 2010 01:24 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Except the fact that Islam has been there for 1400 years and it shapes and controls ALL life there. Only for a few intellectuals it's possible to escape this, get some info on Iran, probably the most advanced country in ME, culturalwise. Dunno how you could deny a connection between Islam and the fallback of this region. I'm not sure, but since the establishment of Islam, did there come anything good or valuable out of this region, as in philosophical/cultural values or technological advance? You should NEVER discredit the accomplishments that have been brought to this world from other regions of the world. It makes me sick to think there is really people that believe they could have gotten where they are today without the benefits coming from other parts of the world. I can GUARANTEE without the cooperation of people from around the globe at one point in time, no country would be able to accomplish all that we've done in short amount of time that we've had. I know this link is from wikipedia, but regardless I believe you and anyone who believes what you said should do some reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age BTW, i'm not islamic and just believe that there is good in every culture/race | ||
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warrior6
Canada18 Posts
On August 27 2010 01:24 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: Except the fact that Islam has been there for 1400 years and it shapes and controls ALL life there. Only for a few intellectuals it's possible to escape this, get some info on Iran, probably the most advanced country in ME, culturalwise. Dunno how you could deny a connection between Islam and the fallback of this region. I'm not sure, but since the establishment of Islam, did there come anything good or valuable out of this region, as in philosophical/cultural values or technological advance? nothing really except for maybe advances in astronomy, chemistry, biology, physics, mathematics, agriculture, architecture, literature, a better scientific method, | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On August 27 2010 03:06 Achilles wrote: You realise it's often, if not always, retaliatory right? and after several well laid out warnings. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7822049.stm a year before: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/01/israel-warns-hamas-after_n_666795.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/01/world/main6735252.shtml Always warned, never listen. It's just so illogical. "Stop" "No" "stop or we'll level your entire city with our clearly better military" "No" *Israel attacks* "zomg UN please help, these terrorists are razing our cities to the ground" There's even a news story published prior their boat fiasco where they warned lebanon. This is TWO YEARS ago: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/israel-warns-boat-borne-activists-2 IMPORTANT EDIT: I'm not saying I condone the violence, but next time you're warned don't act all shocked when the bombs drop. I guess it's time for another history lesson then. Israeli Independence: The day the British Mandate of the area was to expire in 1948, Israeli Jews declared independence and took over the areas of Jordan, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem. Egypt, Syria, and others attempted a counter-attack, but failed. Over 700 thousand Arabs were displaced as a result of the initial declaration and war. Jewish population in the area more then double in the next decade. In the 50's Israel captured the Sinai Peninsula, but was forced to return the land due to pressure from the UN. This is the last time you will hear "pressure from the UN" in an effective way. Six Day War: Following the annex of most of Palestine, surrounding nations refused to recognize Israel as a sovereign nation. Egypt attempted a blockade the Red Sea and put economic pressure on Israel. Israel responded by bombing most of the Egyptian air force. The US backed this decision and supplied arms. From this point forward, Israel has access to significantly better US technology and is immune from UN sanctions due to US influence in the UN. Israel acquired the Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, and the Sinai Peninsula as a result. The first instances of "terrorism" appear around this time. Yom Kippur War: The first act of organized military aggression against Israel, the Yom Kippur war was a surprise attack by Egypt and Syria. Attacks were somewhat successful, but were eventually repelled by late October. This is 25 years since Arab-Israeli tensions have been brought to a head. 1977: Israeli government begins heavily encouraging the settling of the West Bank, expelling any remaining Palestinians from the area by force. 1980: Israel annexes Jerusalem, despite being declared an international city by the UN. UN is powerless to due anything as the US will not vote against Israel. 1982: Israel intervenes in the First Lebanese Civil War, using it as an excuse to bomb PLO strongholds. Israeli troops remain stationed in Lebanon as a buffer as late as 2000. 1987: First Intifada, a people's revolution of Palestinians. This is where you get images of people throwing rocks at Israeli troops. 1993: Oslo Accords signed by the PLO and Israel. The first time Israel recognizes Palestinian rights to land. Israeli settlements continue after the accord regardless. The PLO officially denounces terrorism. 2000: Camp David, fuck all gets accomplished. Second Intifada starts. Construction of walls begin. 2006: Second Lebanese War starts when Hezbollah begins rocket attacks. 2008: Hamas and Israel's ceasefire collapses. The Gaza War lasts three weeks and Israeli attacks last long after another ceasefire is announced. So, um, yeah. "Asking for it" isn't the best term. Unless you mean asking for their houses and land back. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 27 2010 04:12 warrior6 wrote: nothing really except for maybe advances in astronomy, chemistry, biology, physics, mathematics, agriculture, architecture, literature, a better scientific method, The Islamic Golden Age is nothing when compared to the contributions of Western, Indian, or Chinese civilizations. What has Islam contributed to the world in the last several hundred years? Other than misery or poverty. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 27 2010 04:15 Offhand wrote: I guess it's time for another history lesson then. Israeli Independence: The day the British Mandate of the area was to expire in 1948, Israeli Jews declared independence and took over the areas of Jordan, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem. Egypt, Syria, and others attempted a counter-attack, but failed. Over 700 thousand Arabs were displaced as a result of the initial declaration and war. Jewish population in the area more then double in the next decade. In the 50's Israel captured the Sinai Peninsula, but was forced to return the land due to pressure from the UN. This is the last time you will hear "pressure from the UN" in an effective way. Six Day War: Following the annex of most of Palestine, surrounding nations refused to recognize Israel as a sovereign nation. Egypt attempted a blockade the Red Sea and put economic pressure on Israel. Israel responded by bombing most of the Egyptian air force. The US backed this decision and supplied arms. From this point forward, Israel has access to significantly better US technology and is immune from UN sanctions due to US influence in the UN. Israel acquired the Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, and the Sinai Peninsula as a result. The first instances of "terrorism" appear around this time. Yom Kippur War: The first act of organized military aggression against Israel, the Yom Kippur war was a surprise attack by Egypt and Syria. Attacks were somewhat successful, but were eventually repelled by late October. This is 25 years since Arab-Israeli tensions have been brought to a head. 1977: Israeli government begins heavily encouraging the settling of the West Bank, expelling any remaining Palestinians from the area by force. 1980: Israel annexes Jerusalem, despite being declared an international cit by the UN. UN is powerless to due anything as the US will not vote against Israel. 1982: Israel intervenes in the First Lebanese Civil War, using it as an excuse to bomb PLO strongholds. Israeli troops remain stationed in Lebanon as a buffer as late as 2000. 1987: First Intifada, a people's revolution of Palestinians. This is where you get images of people throwing rocks at Israeli troops. 1993: Oslo Accords signed by the PLO and Israel. The first time Israel recognizes Palestinian rights to land. Israeli settlements continue after the accord regardless. The PLO officially denounces terrorism. 2000: Camp David, fuck all gets accomplished. Second Intifada starts. Construction of walls begin. 2006: Second Lebanese War starts when Hezbollah begins rocket attacks. 2008: Hamas and Israel's ceasefire collapses. The Gaza War lasts three weeks and Israeli attacks last long after another ceasefire is announced. So, um, yeah. "Asking for it" isn't the best term. Unless you mean asking for their houses and land back. Biased Muslim viewpoint. Post sources. Are you sure you want to go in this direction? | ||
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Robstickle
Great Britain406 Posts
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blomsterjohn
Norway463 Posts
On August 27 2010 04:18 thesighter wrote: Biased Muslim viewpoint...... seriously, this is starting to become ridiculous | ||
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