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On February 27 2012 09:55 riddi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 09:52 sermokala wrote: Wow. Just wow. This is far more worrying to me then the government documents that they released.
Corporations operating as nation states is a very scary concept. Not surprised that this was happening but the scale it horrifying. How can they make sure/prove that this stuff is legit though? Completely understand your point but cant see someone - "forging" or whatever you should call it - 4million emails man.
well i dunno, who has the time to write 4 million emails? not me thats for sure =( (yes i know its a very large company with thousands of employees doing the emailing but still).
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On February 27 2012 10:04 CptCutter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 09:55 riddi wrote:On February 27 2012 09:52 sermokala wrote: Wow. Just wow. This is far more worrying to me then the government documents that they released.
Corporations operating as nation states is a very scary concept. Not surprised that this was happening but the scale it horrifying. How can they make sure/prove that this stuff is legit though? Completely understand your point but cant see someone - "forging" or whatever you should call it - 4million emails man. well i dunno, who has the time to write 4 million emails? not me thats for sure =( (yes i know its a very large company with thousands of employees doing the emailing but still). I have about 9000 in my gmail, which doesn't include my school email, over the last 5 years. And very very little of that is spam.
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Contractor services are already cast in a fairly negative light, especially after various incidents from Afghanistan/Iraq/Katrina. Lumping intelligence services into the contractor business seems like a complete no-no. The US intelligence branch is very inefficient. What really needs to be done is a total overhaul of the entire intelligence system. All of it needs to be streamlined and consolidated into one big entity. No competition between offices and branches. No withholding data from "rival" intel branches, or fighting over "territory". And definitely no private contractor intelligence.
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Coca Cola hired the “global intelligence” spy firm Stratfor to investigate People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, according to company emails released by Wikileaks.
In a reply email, Stratfor’s vice president for counterterrorism and corporate security said: “The FBI has a classified investigation on PETA operatives. I’ll see what I can uncover.”
The exchange is part of the 5 million Stratfor emails that Wikileaks promises to release in coming weeks. Stratfor, an intelligence firm that works closely with corporations and the government, has verified that company emails were stolen but refuses to say anything more.
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I'd much prefer to question the information in the same vein as the corporations themselves. It is much easier to make stuff up or modify it to make it more credible.
that stratfor video seems to confirm what the hackers got though. STRATFOR even after all this seems like its a company dedicated to operating a private intelligence firm on the same level as the CIA or other nation states intelegence agencies. This should not be in any way allowed and the company should be pursecured, their informants identified and jailed, and their information made avaliable to the public.
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+1 to India which has been saying this all along.
Osama bin Laden was in routine contact with several senior figures from Pakistan's military intelligence agency while in hiding in the country, according to a large cache of secret intelligence files.
The disclosure was contained in e-mails from the private US security firm, Stratfor, which were published by WikiLeaks website on Monday after being obtained by the Anonymous hacking group.
Stratfor provides analysis of world affairs to major corporations, military officials and government agencies and was once likened by an American business magazine to a "shadow CIA".
According to one of the e-mails, the firm was shown the information papers collected from bin Laden's Abbotabad compound after the US special forces attack last May that resulted in his death.
The e-mail, from a Stratfor analyst, suggested that up to 12 officials in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency knew of the al-Qaeda leader's safe house.
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I looked briefly at the latest set of links and have read the news articles about them, and so far I've seen nothing shocking or particularly insightful from them. A lot of the content is simply mundane and tidbits like the above are essentially common knowledge.
Everyone that reads the NYTimes or Foreign Policy has known about ISI and AQ involvement.
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US government officials requested that an American private security firm contact Syrian opposition figures in Turkey to see “how they can help in regime change,” the CEO of one of these firms told Stratfor in a company email obtained by WikiLeaks and Al-Akhbar.
James F. Smith, former director of Blackwater, is currently the Chief Executive of SCG International, a private security firm with experience in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. In what appears to be his first email to Stratfor, Smith stated that his “background is CIA” and his company is comprised of “former DOD [Department of Defense], CIA and former law enforcement personnel.”
“We provide services for those same groups in the form of training, security and information collection,” he explained to Stratfor. (doc-id 5441475)
In a 13 December 2011 email to Stratfor’s VP for counter-terrorism Fred Burton, which Burton shared with Stratfor’s briefers, Smith claimed that “[he] and Walid Phares were getting air cover from Congresswoman [Sue] Myrick to engage Syrian opposition in Turkey (non-MB and non-Qatari) on a fact finding mission for Congress.”
Walid Phares, named by the source as part of the “fact finding team,” is a Lebanese-American citizen and currently co-chairs Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Middle East advisory group.
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A US government-contracted private security firm is helping the Syrian opposition to overthrow the Bashar al-Assad regime, leaked Stratfor emails indicate. The same firm earlier operated extensively in Libya.
The private military company SCG International had been contracted to engage the Turkey-based Syrian opposition, according to correspondence released by WikiLeaks.
Their assignment was called a “fact finding mission”, but “the true mission is how they can help in regime change,”an email addressed to Stratfor VP for counter-terrorism Fred Burton says.
The source reporting the info is most reliable – it is SCG Chief Executive James F. Smith, who used to be director of notorious company Blackwater, now known as Academi. In a separate message Smith introduces himself to Stratfor as having background in CIA and heading a company “comprised of former DOD, CIA and former law enforcement personnel.”
SCG’s mission with the Syrian opposition is said to have “air cover from Congresswoman [Sue] Myrick,” a Republican lawmaker from North Carolina, who is a member of the US House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. The body is charged with overseeing the American intelligence community.
The email adds that Smith “intends to offer his services to help protect the opposition members, like he had underway in Libya.”
Smith has an extensive record of sharing intelligence with Stratfor, according the Al-Akhbar, the Lebanese daily newspaper, which is one of the media outlets chosen by WikiLeaks as an information partner for disclosure of private Stratfor emails.
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Sometimes I wonder where I would find my news without SB
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Love you for the updates, stealthy <3
...I really wonder what will come up in the next few days and weeks from people digging through the emails. The infos about Libya are the most interesting so far imo.
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So as we knew already, US started this whole shitstorm in Syria.
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On March 21 2012 16:37 -Archangel- wrote: So as we knew already, US started this whole shitstorm in Syria.
It doesn't say that at all, but I am glad to know that the conspiracy crazies will read whatever they want to read, regardless of what words the letters form.
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On March 21 2012 16:37 -Archangel- wrote: So as we knew already, US started this whole shitstorm in Syria.
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Helping rebels means starting the rebellion?
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I've learned that when a politically-related thread gets necro'd, it's always StealthBlue posting an update. :D
So as we knew already, US started this whole shitstorm in Syria. No, we don't know that. While It's possible the govt. had some kind of role in it, the thing is we don't know whether they did or not, so we can't simply assume they did.
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On March 21 2012 16:40 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 16:37 -Archangel- wrote: So as we knew already, US started this whole shitstorm in Syria. It doesn't say that at all, but I am glad to know that the conspiracy crazies will read whatever they want to read, regardless of what words the letters form.
It doesn't say it started it, but it says they got involved which is just as bad imo.
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On February 28 2012 09:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:+1 to India which has been saying this all along. Show nested quote +Osama bin Laden was in routine contact with several senior figures from Pakistan's military intelligence agency while in hiding in the country, according to a large cache of secret intelligence files.
The disclosure was contained in e-mails from the private US security firm, Stratfor, which were published by WikiLeaks website on Monday after being obtained by the Anonymous hacking group.
Stratfor provides analysis of world affairs to major corporations, military officials and government agencies and was once likened by an American business magazine to a "shadow CIA".
According to one of the e-mails, the firm was shown the information papers collected from bin Laden's Abbotabad compound after the US special forces attack last May that resulted in his death.
The e-mail, from a Stratfor analyst, suggested that up to 12 officials in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency knew of the al-Qaeda leader's safe house. Source As an Indian, I can understand when people are skeptical to believe when India starts pointing fingers at Pakistan.
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Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
Hmmm, why help them. What is there to gain? Over throwing there goverment provides the US with what opportunity? To put an American in charge? No that wouldn't happen. Rob there oil? Not sure much Oil in Syria is there? Hmm i don't understand the motive yet. Syria was just an Arab state? No signs of helping Terrorism, no nuclear programs just a country i had not heard of until i saw people rebelling vs there communist leader?
Anyone else help explain why?
On the post about the Emails between Pakistan special forces/goverment knowing where Bin Laden safe house was, well that was just common knowledge from the start when people found out he was living in Pakistan next to the military base. Was just obvious. Reason Pakistan did not kick up a fuss about America dropping in illegally and leaving a burnng helicopter behind, they would of caused huge shit storm otherwise
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On March 21 2012 18:05 Pika Chu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 16:40 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 16:37 -Archangel- wrote: So as we knew already, US started this whole shitstorm in Syria. It doesn't say that at all, but I am glad to know that the conspiracy crazies will read whatever they want to read, regardless of what words the letters form. It doesn't say it started it, but it says they got involved which is just as bad imo.
No it isn't just as bad. If it was you would be outraged at Russia for getting involved, but you love them for it.
To think that the US wouldn't keep tabs on things as big as a revolution is naive at best.
Also, stating that starting an uprising (suggesting it is fake) and helping an uprising (genuine) are very different. Your inability to distinguish the two is rather disturbing.
Hmmm, why help them. What is there to gain? Over throwing there goverment provides the US with what opportunity? To put an American in charge? No that wouldn't happen. Rob there oil? Not sure much Oil in Syria is there? Hmm i don't understand the motive yet. Syria was just an Arab state? No signs of helping Terrorism, no nuclear programs just a country i had not heard of until i saw people rebelling vs there communist leader?
Anyone else help explain why?
Democracies tend to be on a better footing with America than dictatorships.
Thus, spreading democracy is actually a foreign policy of the US government, despite cynical claims.
True democracy in the middle-east would be a blessing for the US.
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On March 21 2012 18:59 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 18:05 Pika Chu wrote:On March 21 2012 16:40 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 16:37 -Archangel- wrote: So as we knew already, US started this whole shitstorm in Syria. It doesn't say that at all, but I am glad to know that the conspiracy crazies will read whatever they want to read, regardless of what words the letters form. It doesn't say it started it, but it says they got involved which is just as bad imo. No it isn't just as bad. If it was you would be outraged at Russia for getting involved, but you love them for it. To think that the US wouldn't keep tabs on things as big as a revolution is naive at best. Also, stating that starting an uprising (suggesting it is fake) and helping an uprising (genuine) are very different. Your inability to distinguish the two is rather disturbing. Show nested quote +Hmmm, why help them. What is there to gain? Over throwing there goverment provides the US with what opportunity? To put an American in charge? No that wouldn't happen. Rob there oil? Not sure much Oil in Syria is there? Hmm i don't understand the motive yet. Syria was just an Arab state? No signs of helping Terrorism, no nuclear programs just a country i had not heard of until i saw people rebelling vs there communist leader?
Anyone else help explain why? Democracies tend to be on a better footing with America than dictatorships. Thus, spreading democracy is actually a foreign policy of the US government, despite cynical claims. True democracy in the middle-east would be a blessing for the US. ?? Public opinion is overwhelmingly anti-US in the middle-east, the US spends all their efforts 'managing' any attempts at real democracy. (like the protests in Egypt, where they wanted the regime to stay intact)
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Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
So your saying America only got involved because there "foreign policy" demands them too?(maybe demand is to strong of word but my head went blank) There is no other reason as to why the US are helping the Syrian rebels? (to your knowledge) I just don't see that to be a valid reason, not saying it is right or wrong though. I personally think instead of helping below "board" being all secretive and stealthy, to just come out and send some troops in and do it properly? Biding by the rules set by the UN as well, asking to be able to go into Syria and help out.
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