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holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
July 05 2012 16:08 GMT
#1381
On July 06 2012 00:41 GenghisKhan wrote:
How do we know that this information is genuine? Surely Wikileaks could have just made it up and let everyone's natural cynicism/skepticism kick in?


It's a lot of information and so far nothing huge has come of it. If you were to fake millions of emails, you would probably put something juicy in there.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
July 05 2012 16:11 GMT
#1382
On July 06 2012 01:08 holdthephone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 00:41 GenghisKhan wrote:
How do we know that this information is genuine? Surely Wikileaks could have just made it up and let everyone's natural cynicism/skepticism kick in?


It's a lot of information and so far nothing huge has come of it. If you were to fake millions of emails, you would probably put something juicy in there.

That's exactly what they want you to think! Assange is incepting everyone obviously.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 11:05:12
August 13 2012 10:59 GMT
#1383
Wikileaks has been ddosed. It's currently down and has been for a week. A group called Antileaks claims they did it. It seems that nobody knew anything about them before. The twitter account has been opened a week ago.

Will you call me a conspiracy theorist, if I say, that intelligence services might have something to do with it? It would make sense to suspect Tapwire, wouldn't it? (^_^) Wikileaks has just started to release documents about them.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
August 13 2012 11:07 GMT
#1384
Or some hackers/groups are nationalists that believe Wikileaks is harmfull and have taken it upon themselves to shoot them down.

The cyber warriors are not all as left-wing anarchist as cyberpunk would have us believe.


A person's ability to hack or perform a ddos attack have no relation to their political leaning.

The only thing that makes sense is to recognize that you don't have a clue who did it, and instantly screaming CIA will one day grow cold and stale, little boy that cried wolf.

I'm not an expert, but even I know that tearing down the wikileaks website is a waste of time because it is mirrored in thousands of places. If I know that, do you think the head of the CIA's cyber warfare department knows that? I'm guessing the odds are pretty high on that being the case.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
August 13 2012 11:15 GMT
#1385
On August 13 2012 20:07 zalz wrote:
Or some hackers/groups are nationalists that believe Wikileaks is harmfull and have taken it upon themselves to shoot them down.

The cyber warriors are not all as left-wing anarchist as cyberpunk would have us believe.


A person's ability to hack or perform a ddos attack have no relation to their political leaning.

The only thing that makes sense is to recognize that you don't have a clue who did it, and instantly screaming CIA will one day grow cold and stale, little boy that cried wolf.

I'm not an expert, but even I know that tearing down the wikileaks website is a waste of time because it is mirrored in thousands of places. If I know that, do you think the head of the CIA's cyber warfare department knows that? I'm guessing the odds are pretty high on that being the case.

You are right with what you say first. But to see possibilities doesn't mean that I believe them. It just makes me be cautious with analyzing the information I get presented.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
March 06 2013 19:13 GMT
#1386
Bump in response to new Guardian investigation.

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...Colonel James Steele was a 58-year-old retired special forces veteran when he was nominated by Donald Rumsfeld to help organise the paramilitaries in an attempt to quell a Sunni insurgency, an investigation by the Guardian and BBC Arabic shows.

After the Pentagon lifted a ban on Shia militias joining the security forces, the membership of the special police commandos was increasingly drawn from violent Shia groups like the Badr brigades.

A second special adviser, retired Colonel James H Coffman,worked alongside Steele in detention centres that were set up with millions of dollars of US funding. Coffman reported directly to General David Petraeus, sent to Iraq in June 2004 to organise and train the new Iraqi security forces. Steele, who was in Iraq between 2003–2005, and kept returning to the country through 2006, reported directly to Rumsfeld.

The allegations made by both American and Iraqi witnesses in the Guardian/BBC documentary, for the first time implicates US advisers in the human rights abuses committed by the commandos. It is also the first time that General David Petraeus – who last November was forced to resign as director of the CIA after a sex scandal – has been linked through an adviser to this abuse. Coffman reported to Petraeus and described himself in an interview with the US military newspaper Stars and Stripes as Petraeus's "eyes and ears out on the ground" in Iraq.

"They worked hand in hand," said General Muntadher al-Samari, who worked with Steele and Coffman for a year while the commandos were being set up. "I never saw them apart in the 40 or 50 times I saw them inside the detention centres. They knew everything that was going on there ... the torture, the most horrible kinds of torture."

Additional reporting by the Guardian confirmed further details of how the interrogation system worked. "Every single detention centre would have its own interrogation committee," claimed Samari, who has for the first time talked in detail about the US role in the brutal interrogation units. "Each one was made up of an intelligence officer and eight interrogators. This committee will use all means of torture to make the detainee confess like using electricity or hanging him upside down, pulling out their nails, and beating them on sensitive parts." There is no evidence that Steele or Coffman tortured prisoners themselves, only that they were sometimes present in the detention centres where torture took place, and were involved in the processing of thousands of detainees.

The Guardian/BBC Arabic investigation was sparked by the release of classified US military logs on WikiLeaks that detailed hundreds of incidents where US soldiers came across tortured detainees in a network of detention centres run by the police commandos across Iraq. Private Bradley Manning, 25, is facing a prison sentence of up to 20 years after he pleaded guilty to leaking the documents.

Samari claimed that torture was routine in the commando-controlled detention centres. "I remember a 14-year-old who was tied to one of the library's columns. And he was tied up, with his legs above his head. Tied up. His whole body was blue because of the impact of the cables with which he had been beaten."

Gilles Peress, a photographer, came across Steele when he was on assignment for the New York Times, visiting one of the commando centres in the same library, in Samarra. "We were in a room in the library interviewing Steele and I'm looking around I see blood everywhere."

The reporter Peter Maass was also there, working on the story with Peress. "And while this interview was going on with a Saudi jihadi with Jim Steele also in the room, there were these terrible screams, somebody shouting 'Allah, Allah, Allah!'. But it wasn't kind of religious ecstasy or something like that, these were screams of pain and terror."

The pattern in Iraq provides an eerie parallel to the well-documented human rights abuses committed by US-advised and funded paramilitary squads in Central America in the 1980s. Steele was head of a US team of special military advisers that trained units of El Salvador's security forces in counterinsurgency. Petraeus visited El Salvador in 1986 while Steele was there and became a major advocate of counterinsurgency methods.

Steele has not responded to any questions from the Guardian and BBC Arabic about his role in El Salvador or Iraq. He has in the past denied any involvement in torture and said publicly he is "opposed to human rights abuses." Coffman declined to comment...
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