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On March 22 2012 18:17 -Trippin- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 21:11 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 20:50 -Trippin- wrote:
There is nothing useful on wikileaks unless you know what you are looking for. If you ask me, it was probably just a ploy by the US government themselves to take attention off of what is really important, as in they want you to think some secret documents that revealed everything have been released, when in reality they reveal nothing. Yes, I realize that the moment I read about these documents, everything I ever knew and cared about, is gone. Someone I knew got hit by a car thist morning. I don't care, all I can think about are these secret documents. Thanks USA for brainwashing me. Say I just murdered ten people, one hooker and nine important business me, and buried them all in my backyard then I come to you and I confess that I killed a hooker. There are nine more, but I only told you about one and you don't question me any further. I know there is a term for it, but what I am saying is that they are showing you irrelevant "secret" documents to make people think that all is revealed, when in reality there is much more and that much more is also what is actually important. The funny thing is that it totally worked.
Do you have any evidence that this leak is fake?
I know you conspiracy people can conjure up nonsensical stories, but do you have a single piece of evidence that shows this wasn't a real leak?
Be honest in admitting that all you have is a "hunch."
You don't know if this is a fake leak, but you feel like it is, so you believe that it is. You have no evidence, all you claim is that it makes sense to you.
Now stop and wonder if accepting these things on blind faith is a reliable way of getting to the truth.
You, and other conspirace people, simply paint the world the way you want it to be, not the way it really is. You make grand accusations without any proof, but as long as it feels like, you accept it.
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On March 21 2012 21:00 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 08:49 teamsolid wrote:
Wouldn't this give the enemy troops valuable intel and be potentially harmful to US troops in Afghanistan? No. The enemy is not as organized as a nation would, the NATO has just clearly superior equipment and everything.
Don't forget some nations do cooperate with non government forces for whatever reason.
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On March 22 2012 18:26 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 18:17 -Trippin- wrote:On March 21 2012 21:11 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 20:50 -Trippin- wrote:
There is nothing useful on wikileaks unless you know what you are looking for. If you ask me, it was probably just a ploy by the US government themselves to take attention off of what is really important, as in they want you to think some secret documents that revealed everything have been released, when in reality they reveal nothing. Yes, I realize that the moment I read about these documents, everything I ever knew and cared about, is gone. Someone I knew got hit by a car thist morning. I don't care, all I can think about are these secret documents. Thanks USA for brainwashing me. Say I just murdered ten people, one hooker and nine important business me, and buried them all in my backyard then I come to you and I confess that I killed a hooker. There are nine more, but I only told you about one and you don't question me any further. I know there is a term for it, but what I am saying is that they are showing you irrelevant "secret" documents to make people think that all is revealed, when in reality there is much more and that much more is also what is actually important. The funny thing is that it totally worked. Do you have any evidence that this leak is fake? I know you conspiracy people can conjure up nonsensical stories, but do you have a single piece of evidence that shows this wasn't a real leak? Be honest in admitting that all you have is a "hunch." You don't know if this is a fake leak, but you feel like it is, so you believe that it is. You have no evidence, all you claim is that it makes sense to you. Now stop and wonder if accepting these things on blind faith is a reliable way of getting to the truth. You, and other conspirace people, simply paint the world the way you want it to be, not the way it really is. You make grand accusations without any proof, but as long as it feels like, you accept it.
For one thing, if these documents were so important to national security, they wouldn't have even been on the Internet for more than an hour. It's foolish to think that the US Government doesn't have the power to shut that shit down soon after it goes up. That's one thing.
Julian Assange would also be a dead man by now if these were huge leaks or whatever, and now he is running for senate in Australia. What the fuck? Do you really think that this guy leaked important US documents and somehow got away with that shit? No way.
Also, look at this: http://thewondrous.com/the-top-10-leaks-of-wikileaks/
Those are the "top ten leaks" so to say. Wow, shit everybody already knew or shit that doesn't matter. Why wasn't there anything in there that is actually incriminating that "matters"? There is tons of horrible things that the US does that a lot of people around the world know about, but isn't something covered by mainstream media, that shit isn't in there. Just shit that people already know or shit that doesn't matter. Too convenient. I'm sorry that I don't believe in coincidences.
I don't need the US to outright say this shit wasn't a real leak to know it. Even if it was a real leak, they let it happen on purpose and filtered that shit hardcore. But that's assuming it wasn't actually a real leak, which probably isn't the case anyway.
EDIT: Your post is also so full of hypocrisy that it makes me cringe. Also you are BM as fuck bro. Learn to show some respect son.
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On March 22 2012 19:20 -Trippin- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 18:26 zalz wrote:On March 22 2012 18:17 -Trippin- wrote:On March 21 2012 21:11 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 20:50 -Trippin- wrote:
There is nothing useful on wikileaks unless you know what you are looking for. If you ask me, it was probably just a ploy by the US government themselves to take attention off of what is really important, as in they want you to think some secret documents that revealed everything have been released, when in reality they reveal nothing. Yes, I realize that the moment I read about these documents, everything I ever knew and cared about, is gone. Someone I knew got hit by a car thist morning. I don't care, all I can think about are these secret documents. Thanks USA for brainwashing me. Say I just murdered ten people, one hooker and nine important business me, and buried them all in my backyard then I come to you and I confess that I killed a hooker. There are nine more, but I only told you about one and you don't question me any further. I know there is a term for it, but what I am saying is that they are showing you irrelevant "secret" documents to make people think that all is revealed, when in reality there is much more and that much more is also what is actually important. The funny thing is that it totally worked. Do you have any evidence that this leak is fake? I know you conspiracy people can conjure up nonsensical stories, but do you have a single piece of evidence that shows this wasn't a real leak? Be honest in admitting that all you have is a "hunch." You don't know if this is a fake leak, but you feel like it is, so you believe that it is. You have no evidence, all you claim is that it makes sense to you. Now stop and wonder if accepting these things on blind faith is a reliable way of getting to the truth. You, and other conspirace people, simply paint the world the way you want it to be, not the way it really is. You make grand accusations without any proof, but as long as it feels like, you accept it. For one thing, if these documents were so important to national security, they wouldn't have even been on the Internet for more than an hour. It's foolish to think that the US Government doesn't have the power to shut that shit down soon after it goes up. That's one thing. Julian Assange would also be a dead man by now if these were huge leaks or whatever, and now he is running for senate in Australia. What the fuck? Do you really think that this guy leaked important US documents and somehow got away with that shit? No way. Also, look at this: http://thewondrous.com/the-top-10-leaks-of-wikileaks/ Those are the "top ten leaks" so to say. Wow, shit everybody already knew or shit that doesn't matter. Why wasn't there anything in there that is actually incriminating that "matters"? There is tons of horrible things that the US does that a lot of people around the world know about, but isn't something covered by mainstream media, that shit isn't in there. Just shit that people already know or shit that doesn't matter. Too convenient. I'm sorry that I don't believe in coincidences. I don't need the US to outright say this shit wasn't a real leak to know it. Even if it was a real leak, they let it happen on purpose and filtered that shit hardcore. But that's assuming it wasn't actually a real leak, which probably isn't the case anyway. EDIT: Your post is also so full of hypocrisy that it makes me cringe. Also you are BM as fuck bro. Learn to show some respect son.
It annoys me that someone like Bradley Manning can suffer through solitary confinement for months for his actions in the wikileaks release and all a lot of people can do is give out lazy conspiracy theories about how this is all some plot to divert attention from the climate deals or whatever.
The USA doesn't have absolute control over the internet, the technology and politics of it simply don't work that way.
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On March 22 2012 18:26 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 18:17 -Trippin- wrote:On March 21 2012 21:11 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 20:50 -Trippin- wrote:
There is nothing useful on wikileaks unless you know what you are looking for. If you ask me, it was probably just a ploy by the US government themselves to take attention off of what is really important, as in they want you to think some secret documents that revealed everything have been released, when in reality they reveal nothing. Yes, I realize that the moment I read about these documents, everything I ever knew and cared about, is gone. Someone I knew got hit by a car thist morning. I don't care, all I can think about are these secret documents. Thanks USA for brainwashing me. Say I just murdered ten people, one hooker and nine important business me, and buried them all in my backyard then I come to you and I confess that I killed a hooker. There are nine more, but I only told you about one and you don't question me any further. I know there is a term for it, but what I am saying is that they are showing you irrelevant "secret" documents to make people think that all is revealed, when in reality there is much more and that much more is also what is actually important. The funny thing is that it totally worked. Do you have any evidence that this leak is fake? I know you conspiracy people can conjure up nonsensical stories, but do you have a single piece of evidence that shows this wasn't a real leak? Be honest in admitting that all you have is a "hunch." You don't know if this is a fake leak, but you feel like it is, so you believe that it is. You have no evidence, all you claim is that it makes sense to you. Now stop and wonder if accepting these things on blind faith is a reliable way of getting to the truth. You, and other conspirace people, simply paint the world the way you want it to be, not the way it really is. You make grand accusations without any proof, but as long as it feels like, you accept it.
The burden of proof is on the one making the assertions, namely that this is a "real" leak (and NOT a dis/misinformation campaign). You got your logic backwards. Here's a half-ass analogy because I'm to lazy to make a better case for this obvious mistake.
God=US government, Jesus/Jesus's friends=Leakers, and the Leaks=Bible. Therefore god exists!
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On March 22 2012 19:20 -Trippin- wrote:
For one thing, if these documents were so important to national security, they wouldn't have even been on the Internet for more than an hour. It's foolish to think that the US Government doesn't have the power to shut that shit down soon after it goes up. That's one thing.
EDIT: Your post is also so full of hypocrisy that it makes me cringe. Also you are BM as fuck bro. Learn to show some respect son.
You have no clue. You put it online, it stays there. Even if the the USA went so far to completely nuke every single root DNS server, that would not kill everything. _Maybe_ taking town all trans-oceanic fibres and ALL satellites would be a start.
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On March 22 2012 19:20 -Trippin- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 18:26 zalz wrote:On March 22 2012 18:17 -Trippin- wrote:On March 21 2012 21:11 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 20:50 -Trippin- wrote:
There is nothing useful on wikileaks unless you know what you are looking for. If you ask me, it was probably just a ploy by the US government themselves to take attention off of what is really important, as in they want you to think some secret documents that revealed everything have been released, when in reality they reveal nothing. Yes, I realize that the moment I read about these documents, everything I ever knew and cared about, is gone. Someone I knew got hit by a car thist morning. I don't care, all I can think about are these secret documents. Thanks USA for brainwashing me. Say I just murdered ten people, one hooker and nine important business me, and buried them all in my backyard then I come to you and I confess that I killed a hooker. There are nine more, but I only told you about one and you don't question me any further. I know there is a term for it, but what I am saying is that they are showing you irrelevant "secret" documents to make people think that all is revealed, when in reality there is much more and that much more is also what is actually important. The funny thing is that it totally worked. Do you have any evidence that this leak is fake? I know you conspiracy people can conjure up nonsensical stories, but do you have a single piece of evidence that shows this wasn't a real leak? Be honest in admitting that all you have is a "hunch." You don't know if this is a fake leak, but you feel like it is, so you believe that it is. You have no evidence, all you claim is that it makes sense to you. Now stop and wonder if accepting these things on blind faith is a reliable way of getting to the truth. You, and other conspirace people, simply paint the world the way you want it to be, not the way it really is. You make grand accusations without any proof, but as long as it feels like, you accept it. For one thing, if these documents were so important to national security, they wouldn't have even been on the Internet for more than an hour. It's foolish to think that the US Government doesn't have the power to shut that shit down soon after it goes up. That's one thing. Julian Assange would also be a dead man by now if these were huge leaks or whatever, and now he is running for senate in Australia. What the fuck? Do you really think that this guy leaked important US documents and somehow got away with that shit? No way. Also, look at this: http://thewondrous.com/the-top-10-leaks-of-wikileaks/ Those are the "top ten leaks" so to say. Wow, shit everybody already knew or shit that doesn't matter. Why wasn't there anything in there that is actually incriminating that "matters"? There is tons of horrible things that the US does that a lot of people around the world know about, but isn't something covered by mainstream media, that shit isn't in there. Just shit that people already know or shit that doesn't matter. Too convenient. I'm sorry that I don't believe in coincidences. I don't need the US to outright say this shit wasn't a real leak to know it. Even if it was a real leak, they let it happen on purpose and filtered that shit hardcore. But that's assuming it wasn't actually a real leak, which probably isn't the case anyway. EDIT: Your post is also so full of hypocrisy that it makes me cringe. Also you are BM as fuck bro. Learn to show some respect son.
So:
1) The US is all powerfull, more powerfull than a god. Therefore, any and all evidence of their wrongdoings will always be fake, because they have infinite power and can control the entire globe and internet. Things like the Pentagon papers were also released by the CIA because it is impossible for anyone to ever defy the USA, they are all powerfull.
2) Anyone that stands against the USA will be dead. If they are not dead, they are CIA plants. The USA is all powerfull and cannot be defied.
3) The truth that these leaks show is not as horrible as I want reality to be. Therefore they are fake.
You even outright state that because the content of the leaks isn't horrible enough, they must be fake. How much more obvious can it get that you want pick and choose. If it doesn't fit your worldview (US = Satan) you reject is because it isn't real.
You really don't see the error of your reasoning? Rejecting evidence because it doesn't paint the picture of reality that you want there to be?
In the end, you even completely refute your own position and in a single sentence, you invent a complete new conspiracy that would require a vastly different setup.
You are completely detached from all reality. You invent conspiracy theories on the fly. You don't even have evidence for the last claim, now you are making up yet another, again, no evidence.
You have read too many Dan Brown novels. The US isn't as powerfull as you think, not even close.
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Haft to agree with Zalz, even if america isn't "As bad as the world makes us to be", your whole case is flawed. GG bro.
Also, America sucks. I pray I can leave sometime in my life. Thinking about going to germeny, Korea, Japan, or netherlands at this time. Would be nice change of scenery.
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On March 22 2012 19:43 methematics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 18:26 zalz wrote:On March 22 2012 18:17 -Trippin- wrote:On March 21 2012 21:11 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 20:50 -Trippin- wrote:
There is nothing useful on wikileaks unless you know what you are looking for. If you ask me, it was probably just a ploy by the US government themselves to take attention off of what is really important, as in they want you to think some secret documents that revealed everything have been released, when in reality they reveal nothing. Yes, I realize that the moment I read about these documents, everything I ever knew and cared about, is gone. Someone I knew got hit by a car thist morning. I don't care, all I can think about are these secret documents. Thanks USA for brainwashing me. Say I just murdered ten people, one hooker and nine important business me, and buried them all in my backyard then I come to you and I confess that I killed a hooker. There are nine more, but I only told you about one and you don't question me any further. I know there is a term for it, but what I am saying is that they are showing you irrelevant "secret" documents to make people think that all is revealed, when in reality there is much more and that much more is also what is actually important. The funny thing is that it totally worked. Do you have any evidence that this leak is fake? I know you conspiracy people can conjure up nonsensical stories, but do you have a single piece of evidence that shows this wasn't a real leak? Be honest in admitting that all you have is a "hunch." You don't know if this is a fake leak, but you feel like it is, so you believe that it is. You have no evidence, all you claim is that it makes sense to you. Now stop and wonder if accepting these things on blind faith is a reliable way of getting to the truth. You, and other conspirace people, simply paint the world the way you want it to be, not the way it really is. You make grand accusations without any proof, but as long as it feels like, you accept it. The burden of proof is on the one making the assertions, namely that this is a "real" leak (and NOT a dis/misinformation campaign). You got your logic backwards. Here's a half-ass analogy because I'm to lazy to make a better case for this obvious mistake. God=US government, Jesus/Jesus's friends=Leakers, and the Leaks=Bible. Therefore god exists!
Good sir, are you completely mad ?
So people have been hired by the US govenment to fake 10.000+documents in multiple languages concerning multiple govenments, and all are in on it.....diplomatic messages ?!.
I mean to have a conspiracy like that would involve most foreign offices of every country involved. That kind of defeats the purpose of a conspiracy, doesnt it ?
The burden of proof is on you. You made the accusation that goes against the proof on the table right now. The files have been onfirmed as real by the ones you claim are in a conspiracy. If you want people to throw Occam's razor in the trash you are the one who has to come with the evidence. And not with some words thrown together and being called an analogy.
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On March 22 2012 19:43 methematics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 18:26 zalz wrote:On March 22 2012 18:17 -Trippin- wrote:On March 21 2012 21:11 zalz wrote:On March 21 2012 20:50 -Trippin- wrote:
There is nothing useful on wikileaks unless you know what you are looking for. If you ask me, it was probably just a ploy by the US government themselves to take attention off of what is really important, as in they want you to think some secret documents that revealed everything have been released, when in reality they reveal nothing. Yes, I realize that the moment I read about these documents, everything I ever knew and cared about, is gone. Someone I knew got hit by a car thist morning. I don't care, all I can think about are these secret documents. Thanks USA for brainwashing me. Say I just murdered ten people, one hooker and nine important business me, and buried them all in my backyard then I come to you and I confess that I killed a hooker. There are nine more, but I only told you about one and you don't question me any further. I know there is a term for it, but what I am saying is that they are showing you irrelevant "secret" documents to make people think that all is revealed, when in reality there is much more and that much more is also what is actually important. The funny thing is that it totally worked. Do you have any evidence that this leak is fake? I know you conspiracy people can conjure up nonsensical stories, but do you have a single piece of evidence that shows this wasn't a real leak? Be honest in admitting that all you have is a "hunch." You don't know if this is a fake leak, but you feel like it is, so you believe that it is. You have no evidence, all you claim is that it makes sense to you. Now stop and wonder if accepting these things on blind faith is a reliable way of getting to the truth. You, and other conspirace people, simply paint the world the way you want it to be, not the way it really is. You make grand accusations without any proof, but as long as it feels like, you accept it. The burden of proof is on the one making the assertions, namely that this is a "real" leak (and NOT a dis/misinformation campaign). You got your logic backwards. Here's a half-ass analogy because I'm to lazy to make a better case for this obvious mistake. God=US government, Jesus/Jesus's friends=Leakers, and the Leaks=Bible. Therefore god exists!
You're the one who has it ass backwards dude, the burden of proof is on the people claiming it isn't a real leak.
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Wouldn't it be a "real" leak because it leaked? The act of leaking the documents automatically makes it a leak. Therefore, documents cannot be leaked and yet not be a leak. It's a paradox. You lose either way you look at it.
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On March 22 2012 20:34 Zenatsu wrote:
Haft to agree with Zalz, even if america isn't "As bad as the world makes us to be", your whole case is flawed. GG bro.
Also, America sucks. I pray I can leave sometime in my life. Thinking about going to germeny, Korea, Japan, or netherlands at this time. Would be nice change of scenery.
I hear Singapore is boomin.
As much as I'd like to think this was a conspiracy I don't see it. I think Collateral Murder was good for 0 PR points. Absolutely no point to leak it from within. Yemen Bombs, our our bombs. Again, no point. What benefit to the US, in leaking? Criminal acts were exposed, with little to point at as an agenda for the leak. Valerie Plame, now there was an agenda.
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Today, Thursday 5 July 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing the Syria Files – more than two million emails from Syrian political figures, ministries and associated companies, dating from August 2006 to March 2012.
This extraordinary data set derives from 680 Syria-related entities or domain names, including those of the Ministries of Presidential Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Finance, Information, Transport and Culture.
Over the next two months, ground-breaking stories derived from the files will appear in WikiLeaks (global), Al Akhbar (Lebanon), Al Masry Al Youm (Egypt), ARD (Germany), Associated Press (US), L’Espresso (Italy), Owni (France) and Publico.es (Spain). Other publications will announce themselves closer to their publishing date.
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said: "The material is embarrassing to Syria, but it is also embarrassing to Syria’s opponents. It helps us not merely to criticise one group or another, but to understand their interests, actions and thoughts. It is only through understanding this conflict that we can hope to resolve it."
At this time Syria is undergoing a violent internal conflict that has killed between 6,000 and 15,000 people in the last 18 months. The Syria Files shine a light on the inner workings of the Syrian government and economy, but they also reveal how the West and Western companies say one thing and do another.
The range of information extends from the intimate correspondence of the most senior Baath party figures to records of financial transfers sent from Syrian ministries to other nations.
The database comprises 2,434,899 emails from the 680 domains. There are 678,752 different email addresses that have sent emails and 1,082,447 different recipients. There are a number of different languages in the set, including around 400,000 emails in Arabic and 68,000 emails in Russian. The data is more than eight times the size of ’Cablegate’ in terms of number of documents, and more than 100 times the size in terms of data. Around 42,000 emails were infected with viruses or trojans. To solve these complexities, WikiLeaks built a general-purpose, multi-language political data-mining system which can handle massive data sets like those represented by the Syria Files.
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There doesn't appear to be anything interesting other than the Syrian government trying to order helicopter parts.
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On July 06 2012 00:26 paralleluniverse wrote:
There doesn't appear to be anything interesting other than the Syrian government trying to order helicopter parts.
THEY ARE ORDERING PARTS FROM THE UNITED STATES! THE CONSPIRACY GROWS!
How so very important.
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well what did you expect?
Did you expect wikileaks to keep having quality "updates?"
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How do we know that this information is genuine? Surely Wikileaks could have just made it up and let everyone's natural cynicism/skepticism kick in?
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On July 06 2012 00:41 GenghisKhan wrote:
How do we know that this information is genuine? Surely Wikileaks could have just made it up and let everyone's natural cynicism/skepticism kick in?
If they managed to fake 2,434,899 e-mails with 678752 e-mail addresses they probably deserve to be believed regardless.
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On July 06 2012 00:41 GenghisKhan wrote:
How do we know that this information is genuine? Surely Wikileaks could have just made it up and let everyone's natural cynicism/skepticism kick in?
It might take a while to make up over 2 million emails...
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On July 06 2012 01:02 LucidityDark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 00:41 GenghisKhan wrote:
How do we know that this information is genuine? Surely Wikileaks could have just made it up and let everyone's natural cynicism/skepticism kick in? If they managed to fake 2,434,899 e-mails with 678752 e-mail addresses they probably deserve to be believed regardless.
Not to mention some rudimentary fact-checking.
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