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Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
January 04 2011 00:36 GMT
#1161
Man, so good to know my government is spending its money wisely. I mean..205 million €? Of course we need a satellite for that kind of money! You know why? Because we swim in the frickin money and we need to spend it as fast and as best as possible. And what could be better than a satellite? The RoI is gonna be great! Thanks Merkel & BND & DLR, you rock!
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
January 04 2011 01:44 GMT
#1162
Well since this tread deals with transparency in government, does anyone think this guy's murder may have something to do with knowing a government secret?

[image loading]

I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
K3NDR1C
Profile Joined November 2010
United States28 Posts
January 04 2011 01:57 GMT
#1163
Wikileaks :/ What will come to this world?
"Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."
CmdrJAGUAR
Profile Joined November 2010
Somalia24 Posts
January 13 2011 17:23 GMT
#1164
On December 23 2010 18:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Best article I've seen yet on Wikileaks:
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20101213-taking-stock-wikileaks


Stratfor is awesome. I prefer it over most of the media outlets.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 16 2011 18:51 GMT
#1165

The offshore bank account details of 2,000 "high net worth individuals" and corporations – detailing massive potential tax evasion – will be handed over to the WikiLeaks organisation in London tomorrow by the most important and boldest whistleblower in Swiss banking history, Rudolf Elmer, two days before he goes on trial in his native Switzerland.

British and American individuals and companies are among the offshore clients whose details will be contained on CDs presented to WikiLeaks at the Frontline Club in London. Those involved include, Elmer tells the Observer, "approximately 40 politicians".

Elmer, who after his press conference will return to Switzerland from exile in Mauritius to face trial, is a former chief operating officer in the Cayman Islands and employee of the powerful Julius Baer bank, which accuses him of stealing the information.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 09 2011 20:41 GMT
#1166

(CNN) -- Saudi Arabia's oil reserves may have been grossly overestimated and its capacity to continue pumping at current capacity exaggerated, according to a U.S. diplomatic cable sent from the kingdom in 2007.

The cable, obtained by WikiLeaks and published in the British newspaper The Guardian, cited the views of Sadad al-Husseini, who had been in charge of exploration and production at the Saudi state-owned company Aramco for 12 years until 2004.

Saudi Aramco dominates exploration and production in the kingdom.

"According to al-Husseini, the crux of the issue is two-fold," the cable says. "First it is possible that Saudi reserves are not as bountiful as sometimes described and the timeline for their production not as unrestrained as Aramco executives and energy optimists would like."

Al-Husseini is quoted as disagreeing with his former company's estimate of total reserves in Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer.

"He believes that Aramco's reserves are overstated by as much as 300 billion barrels of 'speculative resources.' He instead focuses on original proven reserves."


Source
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acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 06:43:27
April 25 2011 06:39 GMT
#1167
Fairly old bump, but there's a thread for Wikileaks stuff, and they just released a whole bunch of Guantanamo information.

http://www.nytimes.com/guantanamo-files/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison

Released first to The Washington Post, the McClatchy Company, El Pais, the Telegraph, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, Aftonbladet,La Repubblica, L’Espresso, and Andy Worthington.
scouting overlord
Profile Joined April 2011
120 Posts
April 25 2011 08:39 GMT
#1168
On April 25 2011 15:39 acker wrote:
Fairly old bump, but there's a thread for Wikileaks stuff, and they just released a whole bunch of Guantanamo information.

http://www.nytimes.com/guantanamo-files/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison

Released first to The Washington Post, the McClatchy Company, El Pais, the Telegraph, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, Aftonbladet,La Repubblica, L’Espresso, and Andy Worthington.


This might look incriminating friends, but remember, we need to keep the Terrorists in the literal torture camp to protect Our Freedoms, and by extension, Freedom itself. If anything, the real criminals are the biased "journalists" who want to condemn the U.S. by making public how the U.S. operates. Look, this information is only meant for serious people to look at, like people with uniforms or suits maybe, with fancy job titles, NOT some liberal arts journalist or the general American public. They just won't understand the situation like a torture camp operator can.

Here's a press statement from Our Beneficiaries, the U.S. military industrial complex, condemning this illegal leak of highly 'sensitive' (please stop hurting its feelings, it's very sensitive) information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/world/guantanamo-files-us-government-statement.html?_r=1

On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 25 2011 08:41 GMT
#1169
I honest to god can't tell if the above post is a troll (good one if so) or not. I really hope it is.
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
April 25 2011 08:44 GMT
#1170
On April 25 2011 17:39 scouting overlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 15:39 acker wrote:
Fairly old bump, but there's a thread for Wikileaks stuff, and they just released a whole bunch of Guantanamo information.

http://www.nytimes.com/guantanamo-files/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison

Released first to The Washington Post, the McClatchy Company, El Pais, the Telegraph, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, Aftonbladet,La Repubblica, L’Espresso, and Andy Worthington.


This might look incriminating friends, but remember, we need to keep the Terrorists in the literal torture camp to protect Our Freedoms, and by extension, Freedom itself. If anything, the real criminals are the biased "journalists" who want to condemn the U.S. by making public how the U.S. operates. Look, this information is only meant for serious people to look at, like people with uniforms or suits maybe, with fancy job titles, NOT some liberal arts journalist or the general American public. They just won't understand the situation like a torture camp operator can.

Here's a press statement from Our Beneficiaries, the U.S. military industrial complex, condemning this illegal leak of highly 'sensitive' (please stop hurting its feelings, it's very sensitive) information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/world/guantanamo-files-us-government-statement.html?_r=1



Why is the torture needed? Normally jail is enough to keep people outside safe.
I am Latedi.
Starfox
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria699 Posts
April 25 2011 08:51 GMT
#1171
Hooray for the amerifa..cans and their land of the free.
Also http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/obama-on-manning-he-broke-the-law-so-much-for-that-trial/
Congratulations Obama, you, as the president of your country, just said he is guilty before he had his fair trial. (Which now of course he can't have, because the fucking president said he is guilty beforehand) USA calling itself a "constitutional state" is just a disgrace.
Greek Mythology 2.0: Imagine Sisyphos as a man who wants to watch all videos on youtube... and Tityos as one who HAS to watch all of them.
Electric.Jesus
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany755 Posts
April 25 2011 08:52 GMT
#1172
On April 25 2011 17:41 On_Slaught wrote:
I honest to god can't tell if the above post is a troll (good one if so) or not. I really hope it is.


Was wondering, too, at first, but this kinda gave it away:

Here's a press statement from Our Beneficiaries, the U.S. military industrial complex, condemning this illegal leak of highly 'sensitive' (please stop hurting its feelings, it's very sensitive) information.



"Sir, the enemy has us sourrounded" - "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
Electric.Jesus
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany755 Posts
April 25 2011 09:26 GMT
#1173
On April 25 2011 17:51 Starfox wrote:
Hooray for the amerifa..cans and their land of the free.
Also http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/obama-on-manning-he-broke-the-law-so-much-for-that-trial/
Congratulations Obama, you, as the president of your country, just said he is guilty before he had his fair trial. (Which now of course he can't have, because the fucking president said he is guilty beforehand) USA calling itself a "constitutional state" is just a disgrace.


Putin did the same thing with Chodorkowsky. A sad day for the US when they lower themselves to the democratic level of Russia. On the other hand, a German media outlet suspected that this could be a brilliant move by Obama aiming towards freeing manning. His statement kinda makes a fair trial impossible and maybe judges could use that as a argument to drop the charges alltogether.
"Sir, the enemy has us sourrounded" - "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 25 2011 09:32 GMT
#1174
On April 25 2011 18:26 Electric.Jesus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 17:51 Starfox wrote:
Hooray for the amerifa..cans and their land of the free.
Also http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/obama-on-manning-he-broke-the-law-so-much-for-that-trial/
Congratulations Obama, you, as the president of your country, just said he is guilty before he had his fair trial. (Which now of course he can't have, because the fucking president said he is guilty beforehand) USA calling itself a "constitutional state" is just a disgrace.


Putin did the same thing with Chodorkowsky. A sad day for the US when they lower themselves to the democratic level of Russia. On the other hand, a German media outlet suspected that this could be a brilliant move by Obama aiming towards freeing manning. His statement kinda makes a fair trial impossible and maybe judges could use that as a argument to drop the charges alltogether.


a government is implicitly claiming somebody is guilty when they prosecute them

hurrr
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
April 25 2011 09:34 GMT
#1175
On April 25 2011 17:41 On_Slaught wrote:
I honest to god can't tell if the above post is a troll (good one if so) or not. I really hope it is.

Satire. It's a bit like trolling except the aim is not to enrage you but to make you think.
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
April 25 2011 09:37 GMT
#1176
On April 25 2011 17:39 scouting overlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 15:39 acker wrote:
Fairly old bump, but there's a thread for Wikileaks stuff, and they just released a whole bunch of Guantanamo information.

http://www.nytimes.com/guantanamo-files/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison

Released first to The Washington Post, the McClatchy Company, El Pais, the Telegraph, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, Aftonbladet,La Repubblica, L’Espresso, and Andy Worthington.


This might look incriminating friends, but remember, we need to keep the Terrorists in the literal torture camp to protect Our Freedoms, and by extension, Freedom itself. If anything, the real criminals are the biased "journalists" who want to condemn the U.S. by making public how the U.S. operates. Look, this information is only meant for serious people to look at, like people with uniforms or suits maybe, with fancy job titles, NOT some liberal arts journalist or the general American public. They just won't understand the situation like a torture camp operator can.

Here's a press statement from Our Beneficiaries, the U.S. military industrial complex, condemning this illegal leak of highly 'sensitive' (please stop hurting its feelings, it's very sensitive) information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/world/guantanamo-files-us-government-statement.html?_r=1


Haha, you almost got me there!

good trolling

I'll read this after univ to day, thx for update
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Brotkrumen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany193 Posts
April 25 2011 09:48 GMT
#1177
On April 25 2011 18:32 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 18:26 Electric.Jesus wrote:
On April 25 2011 17:51 Starfox wrote:
Hooray for the amerifa..cans and their land of the free.
Also http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/obama-on-manning-he-broke-the-law-so-much-for-that-trial/
Congratulations Obama, you, as the president of your country, just said he is guilty before he had his fair trial. (Which now of course he can't have, because the fucking president said he is guilty beforehand) USA calling itself a "constitutional state" is just a disgrace.


Putin did the same thing with Chodorkowsky. A sad day for the US when they lower themselves to the democratic level of Russia. On the other hand, a German media outlet suspected that this could be a brilliant move by Obama aiming towards freeing manning. His statement kinda makes a fair trial impossible and maybe judges could use that as a argument to drop the charges alltogether.


a government is implicitly claiming somebody is guilty when they prosecute them

hurrr


This.

Obama is part of the executive branch. They collected evidence, are convinced that he is guilty and now present their evidence to the judiciary system to decided whether he actually is guilty.
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
April 25 2011 10:05 GMT
#1178
Should have released this shortly after the US report on humans rights issues in China.
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 14:48:25
April 25 2011 14:45 GMT
#1179
On April 25 2011 18:32 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 18:26 Electric.Jesus wrote:
On April 25 2011 17:51 Starfox wrote:
Hooray for the amerifa..cans and their land of the free.
Also http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/obama-on-manning-he-broke-the-law-so-much-for-that-trial/
Congratulations Obama, you, as the president of your country, just said he is guilty before he had his fair trial. (Which now of course he can't have, because the fucking president said he is guilty beforehand) USA calling itself a "constitutional state" is just a disgrace.


Putin did the same thing with Chodorkowsky. A sad day for the US when they lower themselves to the democratic level of Russia. On the other hand, a German media outlet suspected that this could be a brilliant move by Obama aiming towards freeing manning. His statement kinda makes a fair trial impossible and maybe judges could use that as a argument to drop the charges alltogether.


a government is implicitly claiming somebody is guilty when they prosecute them

hurrr


No they are begioning the process them. The "Government" does not claim someone is guilty except by a trial. Part of the government (ie exceutive branch) starts the process of Finding out if the government will claim that they are guilty.

The simple and standard method is to add "alleged"/"accused" ie "his alleged actions broke the law" or "he is accused of breaking the law", etc.
Brotkrumen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany193 Posts
April 25 2011 17:34 GMT
#1180
On April 25 2011 23:45 Krikkitone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 18:32 UniversalSnip wrote:
On April 25 2011 18:26 Electric.Jesus wrote:
On April 25 2011 17:51 Starfox wrote:
Hooray for the amerifa..cans and their land of the free.
Also http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/obama-on-manning-he-broke-the-law-so-much-for-that-trial/
Congratulations Obama, you, as the president of your country, just said he is guilty before he had his fair trial. (Which now of course he can't have, because the fucking president said he is guilty beforehand) USA calling itself a "constitutional state" is just a disgrace.


Putin did the same thing with Chodorkowsky. A sad day for the US when they lower themselves to the democratic level of Russia. On the other hand, a German media outlet suspected that this could be a brilliant move by Obama aiming towards freeing manning. His statement kinda makes a fair trial impossible and maybe judges could use that as a argument to drop the charges alltogether.


a government is implicitly claiming somebody is guilty when they prosecute them

hurrr


No they are begioning the process them. The "Government" does not claim someone is guilty except by a trial. Part of the government (ie exceutive branch) starts the process of Finding out if the government will claim that they are guilty.

The simple and standard method is to add "alleged"/"accused" ie "his alleged actions broke the law" or "he is accused of breaking the law", etc.


I dont wanna be a nit-pick here, but consider this:

John observes that Peter goes to the fridge. John tells Max that Peter did this because Peter was hungry. Max now thinks "Allegedly Peter was hungry."

In our case, the government is John, the general public and the judiciary is the Max. To say "allegedly" you need someone to allege something first. Obama representing the executive branch saying "allegedly" would refer to himself doing something.
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