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On January 30 2010 19:21 nttea wrote:
I'm a firm believer that prison is essentially about rehabilitation and not about punishment, let the murderers and rapists have their D&D ffs.
I don't think either of these are the priority.
Punishment doesn't undo the murder they did, the rape they made, the harm they've done.
Rehabilitation is giving someone who ruined another's life another chance, something that they arguably don't deserve.
Prison should be about preventing further damage from the criminal in society, locking them away (or death penalty) so they can't do any more harm than they've already done. Rehabilitation should be there for lesser crimes, and punishment is having to pay for what you did, but neither of these things are as important as preventing it from happening again.
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Also the article makes no mention of him getting life without chance for parole. What if D&D teaches him how to cooperate and do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and he gets out on parole and is a model citizen!!
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On January 31 2010 00:50 des wrote:
Also the article makes no mention of him getting life without chance for parole. What if D&D teaches him how to cooperate and do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and he gets out on parole and is a model citizen!!
Even if it does, does he deserve it after taking the life of someone and ruining the life of many more?
That's assuming he doesn't kill someone again if he's let out. Like I said, we don't really know the circumstances of this murder, his sanity, his motive, his psychological profile, which should all have a huge influence on the decisions to be made in this situation I believe.
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On January 31 2010 00:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2010 19:21 nttea wrote:
I'm a firm believer that prison is essentially about rehabilitation and not about punishment, let the murderers and rapists have their D&D ffs. I don't think either of these are the priority. Punishment doesn't undo the murder they did, the rape they made, the harm they've done. Rehabilitation is giving someone who ruined another's life another chance, something that they arguably don't deserve. Prison should be about preventing further damage from the criminal in society, locking them away (or death penalty) so they can't do any more harm than they've already done. Rehabilitation should be there for lesser crimes, and punishment is having to pay for what you did, but neither of these things are as important as preventing it from happening again.
First of all, let's not pretend like a huge percentage of prisoners are murderers.
secondly, if a man isn't sentenced to death then he'll be released to society unless he dies in prison.
This is the case for almost every prisoner.
Meaning rehabilitation is one of the main purposes of prison. (yes the other one is protecting society)
And how are you gonna rehabilitate someone - by turning his life into shit and not giving him the slightest pleasures, nothing but a shitty life to amend for what he's done?
Yeah I'm sure that's a great way to achieve rehabilitation
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On January 31 2010 00:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 00:50 des wrote:
Also the article makes no mention of him getting life without chance for parole. What if D&D teaches him how to cooperate and do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and he gets out on parole and is a model citizen!! Even if it does, does he deserve it after taking the life of someone and ruining the life of many more? That's assuming he doesn't kill someone again if he's let out. Like I said, we don't really know the circumstances of this murder, his sanity, his motive, his psychological profile, which should all have a huge influence on the decisions to be made in this situation I believe.
wooee is this the room for phil 101??
e: More seriously what bearing does this one case have on whether it makes any sense to ban D&D in the prison? The only reason they even mention this guy is because he made an appeal.
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On January 31 2010 00:54 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 00:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 30 2010 19:21 nttea wrote:
I'm a firm believer that prison is essentially about rehabilitation and not about punishment, let the murderers and rapists have their D&D ffs. I don't think either of these are the priority. Punishment doesn't undo the murder they did, the rape they made, the harm they've done. Rehabilitation is giving someone who ruined another's life another chance, something that they arguably don't deserve. Prison should be about preventing further damage from the criminal in society, locking them away (or death penalty) so they can't do any more harm than they've already done. Rehabilitation should be there for lesser crimes, and punishment is having to pay for what you did, but neither of these things are as important as preventing it from happening again. First of all, let's not pretend like a huge percentage of prisoners are murderers. secondly, if a man isn't sentenced to death then he'll be released to society unless he dies in prison. This is the case for almost every prisoner. Meaning rehabilitation is one of the main purposes of prison. And how are you gonna rehabilitate someone - by turning his life into shit and not giving him the slightest pleasures, nothing but a shitty life to amend for what he's done? Yeah I'm sure that's a great way to achieve rehabilitation
I'm not talking about prisoners in general. Like I said, it's completely situational, and in this situation we are talking about murderers (check the first post in the thread again).
If a man is sentenced to life sentence in prison for murder, he really shouldn't be released back into society and rehabilitation should be mute (there are some exceptions).
Who says this man's life is shit btw? He can't play D&D so his life isn't worth living? If you're even going to pretend to be arguing about rehabilitation, then you need to realize that this is obviously an unhealthy obsession that needs to be dropped. If his life is shit without D&D and it's the only simple pleasure then helping him move past his addiction should be the the first objective of rehabilitation.
But go ahead and feed his unhealthy addiction, I'm sure that's a great way to rehabilitate him into society.
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On January 31 2010 00:56 des wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 00:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 31 2010 00:50 des wrote:
Also the article makes no mention of him getting life without chance for parole. What if D&D teaches him how to cooperate and do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and he gets out on parole and is a model citizen!! Even if it does, does he deserve it after taking the life of someone and ruining the life of many more? That's assuming he doesn't kill someone again if he's let out. Like I said, we don't really know the circumstances of this murder, his sanity, his motive, his psychological profile, which should all have a huge influence on the decisions to be made in this situation I believe. wooee is this the room for phil 101?? e: More seriously what bearing does this one case have on whether it makes any sense to ban D&D in the prison? The only reason they even mention this guy is because he made an appeal.
I guess I'm more arguing that it should be banned for this individual. Although I wasn't aware D&D was a popular phenomena in prisons these days.
Anyone else think imagining prisoners playing D&D is just ridiculous anyways?
The circumstances for one to play D&D in a prison full of murderers must be as follows:
1.) You have an insane addiction to D&D
2.) someone help me out here?
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whoa when did he become addicted to d&d? presumably his life sucks without a distraction because he's in jail dogg.
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On January 30 2010 21:10 stenole wrote:
I guess from the perspective of a pious prison warden who hasn't played the game, D&D can seem pretty threatening.
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On January 31 2010 01:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The circumstances for one to play D&D in a prison full of murderers must be as follows:
1.) You have an insane addiction to D&D
2.) someone help me out here?
You're bored, prison sucks, D&D lets you get some human interaction into your day and have some fun? Murderers aren't all crazy motherfuckers, even the ones on life.
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On January 31 2010 01:09 des wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 01:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The circumstances for one to play D&D in a prison full of murderers must be as follows:
1.) You have an insane addiction to D&D
2.) someone help me out here? You're bored, prison sucks, D&D lets you get some human interaction into your day and have some fun? Murderers aren't all crazy motherfuckers, even the ones on life.
Sure, that's understandable, but some of them are.
You're telling me if you were in prison full of murderers (given that some of them won't be crazy), you'd play D&D? I mean I've never been in prison before but it seems like a "hey who wants an easy bitch?" sign over your head.
On January 31 2010 01:07 des wrote:
whoa when did he become addicted to d&d? presumably his life sucks without a distraction because he's in jail dogg.
I'm sure D&D isn't the only thing to do in prison in your free time.
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yeah there's somethin else we can do in prison together 
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On January 31 2010 01:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 00:54 7mk wrote:On January 31 2010 00:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 30 2010 19:21 nttea wrote:
I'm a firm believer that prison is essentially about rehabilitation and not about punishment, let the murderers and rapists have their D&D ffs. I don't think either of these are the priority. Punishment doesn't undo the murder they did, the rape they made, the harm they've done. Rehabilitation is giving someone who ruined another's life another chance, something that they arguably don't deserve. Prison should be about preventing further damage from the criminal in society, locking them away (or death penalty) so they can't do any more harm than they've already done. Rehabilitation should be there for lesser crimes, and punishment is having to pay for what you did, but neither of these things are as important as preventing it from happening again. First of all, let's not pretend like a huge percentage of prisoners are murderers. secondly, if a man isn't sentenced to death then he'll be released to society unless he dies in prison. This is the case for almost every prisoner. Meaning rehabilitation is one of the main purposes of prison. And how are you gonna rehabilitate someone - by turning his life into shit and not giving him the slightest pleasures, nothing but a shitty life to amend for what he's done? Yeah I'm sure that's a great way to achieve rehabilitation I'm not talking about prisoners in general. Like I said, it's completely situational, and in this situation we are talking about murderers (check the first post in the thread again). If a man is sentenced to life sentence in prison for murder, he really shouldn't be released back into society and rehabilitation should be mute (there are some exceptions). Who says this man's life is shit btw? He can't play D&D so his life isn't worth living? If you're even going to pretend to be arguing about rehabilitation, then you need to realize that this is obviously an unhealthy obsession that needs to be dropped. If his life is shit without D&D and it's the only simple pleasure then helping him move past his addiction should be the the first objective of rehabilitation. But go ahead and feed his unhealthy addiction, I'm sure that's a great way to rehabilitate him into society.
On January 31 2010 01:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 00:56 des wrote:On January 31 2010 00:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 31 2010 00:50 des wrote:
Also the article makes no mention of him getting life without chance for parole. What if D&D teaches him how to cooperate and do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and he gets out on parole and is a model citizen!! Even if it does, does he deserve it after taking the life of someone and ruining the life of many more? That's assuming he doesn't kill someone again if he's let out. Like I said, we don't really know the circumstances of this murder, his sanity, his motive, his psychological profile, which should all have a huge influence on the decisions to be made in this situation I believe. wooee is this the room for phil 101?? e: More seriously what bearing does this one case have on whether it makes any sense to ban D&D in the prison? The only reason they even mention this guy is because he made an appeal. I guess I'm more arguing that it should be banned for this individual. Although I wasn't aware D&D was a popular phenomena in prisons these days. Anyone else think imagining prisoners playing D&D is just ridiculous anyways? The circumstances for one to play D&D in a prison full of murderers must be as follows: 1.) You have an insane addiction to D&D 2.) someone help me out here?
Thx but I dont need to reread the first post.
This is a D&D ban for the entire prison. Not just for the one murderer.
And wtf, if I was imprisoned that would make it 10x more likely for me to find a hobby like D&D so I have no idea where your "insane addiction" comes from.
Maybe I'm already an insane addict cause I regularly watch korean dudes play a computer game.
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Meh... Some people are in prison for close to no reason, or because of a mistake...
Taking their harmless means of entertainment away just goes to show the the system is messed up.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 31 2010 01:28 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 01:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 31 2010 00:54 7mk wrote:On January 31 2010 00:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 30 2010 19:21 nttea wrote:
I'm a firm believer that prison is essentially about rehabilitation and not about punishment, let the murderers and rapists have their D&D ffs. I don't think either of these are the priority. Punishment doesn't undo the murder they did, the rape they made, the harm they've done. Rehabilitation is giving someone who ruined another's life another chance, something that they arguably don't deserve. Prison should be about preventing further damage from the criminal in society, locking them away (or death penalty) so they can't do any more harm than they've already done. Rehabilitation should be there for lesser crimes, and punishment is having to pay for what you did, but neither of these things are as important as preventing it from happening again. First of all, let's not pretend like a huge percentage of prisoners are murderers. secondly, if a man isn't sentenced to death then he'll be released to society unless he dies in prison. This is the case for almost every prisoner. Meaning rehabilitation is one of the main purposes of prison. And how are you gonna rehabilitate someone - by turning his life into shit and not giving him the slightest pleasures, nothing but a shitty life to amend for what he's done? Yeah I'm sure that's a great way to achieve rehabilitation I'm not talking about prisoners in general. Like I said, it's completely situational, and in this situation we are talking about murderers (check the first post in the thread again). If a man is sentenced to life sentence in prison for murder, he really shouldn't be released back into society and rehabilitation should be mute (there are some exceptions). Who says this man's life is shit btw? He can't play D&D so his life isn't worth living? If you're even going to pretend to be arguing about rehabilitation, then you need to realize that this is obviously an unhealthy obsession that needs to be dropped. If his life is shit without D&D and it's the only simple pleasure then helping him move past his addiction should be the the first objective of rehabilitation. But go ahead and feed his unhealthy addiction, I'm sure that's a great way to rehabilitate him into society. Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 01:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 31 2010 00:56 des wrote:On January 31 2010 00:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 31 2010 00:50 des wrote:
Also the article makes no mention of him getting life without chance for parole. What if D&D teaches him how to cooperate and do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and he gets out on parole and is a model citizen!! Even if it does, does he deserve it after taking the life of someone and ruining the life of many more? That's assuming he doesn't kill someone again if he's let out. Like I said, we don't really know the circumstances of this murder, his sanity, his motive, his psychological profile, which should all have a huge influence on the decisions to be made in this situation I believe. wooee is this the room for phil 101?? e: More seriously what bearing does this one case have on whether it makes any sense to ban D&D in the prison? The only reason they even mention this guy is because he made an appeal. I guess I'm more arguing that it should be banned for this individual. Although I wasn't aware D&D was a popular phenomena in prisons these days. Anyone else think imagining prisoners playing D&D is just ridiculous anyways? The circumstances for one to play D&D in a prison full of murderers must be as follows: 1.) You have an insane addiction to D&D 2.) someone help me out here? Thx but I dont need to reread the first post. This is a D&D ban for the entire prison. Not just for the one murderer. And wtf, if I was imprisoned that would make it 10x more likely for me to find a hobby like D&D so I have no idea where your "insane addiction" comes from. Maybe I'm already an insane addict cause I regularly watch korean dudes play a computer game.
Insane addiction comes from the fact that if your life is miserable and not worth living without D&D, you write a 91 page paper on it, and love it so much you're willing to play it in prison around murderers, then you probably have an unhealthy addiction to it that is probably related to a lack of sanity or some other mental condition (which could be related to the stabbing and bludgeoning as well).
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On January 31 2010 01:31 Djzapz wrote:
Meh... Some people are in prison for close to no reason, or because of a mistake...
Taking their harmless means of entertainment away just goes to show the the system is messed up.
If they're in prison because of a mistake, taking away their entertainment isn't why the system is messed up.
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On January 31 2010 00:54 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2010 00:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 30 2010 19:21 nttea wrote:
I'm a firm believer that prison is essentially about rehabilitation and not about punishment, let the murderers and rapists have their D&D ffs. I don't think either of these are the priority. Punishment doesn't undo the murder they did, the rape they made, the harm they've done. Rehabilitation is giving someone who ruined another's life another chance, something that they arguably don't deserve. Prison should be about preventing further damage from the criminal in society, locking them away (or death penalty) so they can't do any more harm than they've already done. Rehabilitation should be there for lesser crimes, and punishment is having to pay for what you did, but neither of these things are as important as preventing it from happening again. First of all, let's not pretend like a huge percentage of prisoners are murderers. secondly, if a man isn't sentenced to death then he'll be released to society unless he dies in prison. This is the case for almost every prisoner. Meaning rehabilitation is one of the main purposes of prison. (yes the other one is protecting society) And how are you gonna rehabilitate someone - by turning his life into shit and not giving him the slightest pleasures, nothing but a shitty life to amend for what he's done? Yeah I'm sure that's a great way to achieve rehabilitation
Murder doesn't necessarily equal death penalty. I know non americans have this stereotype that we love to kill inmates but in many states there is no death penalty and in the ones that have it it is hard to get a death penalty conviction. Life in prison is more common.
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