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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 20 2010 22:42 GMT
#1521
i saw his games and i wouldnt say he fail in germany, there were just people in front of him in the lineup
mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 03:05:09
January 21 2010 03:03 GMT
#1522
tevez a bad version of rooney? wtf is that

and him not being worth 25m? wtf is that he is deff well worth it even more.

Carlitos is young, to me he still has not reach full potential. what he did in boca juniors, and corinthians alone was O.O. even what he did in west ham, saved them from descending.

rooney total career: 339 130= 38%
Tevez: Total career: 276 114= 41%

and even tho goals scored is not the best way to judge, in this case since the players are very similar on how they play, *(they are strong agresive and give their hearts out) is a very good indicator

and personally I would pick Tevez over rooney in my team.
tevez won many these awards for his team, he didn't win them with the team.





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Poll: who would you preffer on your team or is better
(Vote): Tevez
(Vote): Rooney

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No quiero soñar mil veces las mismas cosas
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 17:02:07
January 21 2010 04:18 GMT
#1523
On January 21 2010 06:02 zulu_nation8 wrote:
What do Koreans think of Lee Chung-Yong? He's had a couple of good games for Bolton this year and has started most games. I'm impressed by his technical ability, he could be a lot better than Park Ji Sung.


I've seen him in action during Korea's friendly vs Serbia and incidentally today when I went to see Arsenal beat Bolton 4-2 at the Emirates. (CMON GOONERSSS)

He' the most technically gifted korean footballer I've seen. Unlike most Korean players who depend on work rate and efficiency, his dribbling and crossing is top notch and he hardly ever wastes possession. He's been a great consistent performer for Bolton and I think if he keeps on improving he'd be a real asset for any club. He'll impress during the WC I'm sure.

Another one to watch out for is Ki Sung Yong, or David Ki, who just signed on for Celtic. He also possesses technical ability never seen in a Korean player, has great vision and sprays the ball around like Carrick.

I do think South Korea can get quite far this WC, for once they look well covered in every position and many players come with european experience.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
January 21 2010 04:30 GMT
#1524
Also Rooney is an absolutely sublime player superior to Tevez in every department except goalscoring. I rate Tevez too but he cant carry teams on his own like Rooney does for England and Man Utd.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 05:00:57
January 21 2010 04:32 GMT
#1525
Rooney has scored more goals than Tevez this season too I believe, he's superior in literally every category compared to Tevez. Not that Tevez isn't a great player, but I think the general consensus is Rooney is better. I still like Tevez though so don't hate me.

Also they are indeed very similar. But the main difference I can see is Rooney has a special kind of playmaking ability Tevez doesn't. Tevez is more of a poacher type forward. Both work extremely hard, close down defenders all game and have a pacy/direct offensive style.
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
January 21 2010 05:55 GMT
#1526
Its not valid to compere their goals from whole career since Rooney played the whole time at England which is lot harder then Brazilian/Argentinan league. But u can compare last 4 season(4th being this season). Only league goals counted here. Also notable fact is that Tevez is year older so in season 2006-2007, Rooney was only 21.
Tevez 26 7
34 14
29 5
20 12
Total 109 38 ~ 35%
VS
Rooney 35 14
27 12
30 12
21 15
Total 113 53 ~ 47%
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
horang3
Profile Joined November 2009
United States261 Posts
January 21 2010 06:14 GMT
#1527
On January 21 2010 14:55 kroko wrote:
Its not valid to compere their goals from whole career since Rooney played the whole time at England which is lot harder then Brazilian/Argentinan league. But u can compare last 4 season(4th being this season). Only league goals counted here. Also notable fact is that Tevez is year older so in season 2006-2007, Rooney was only 21.
Tevez 26 7
34 14
29 5
20 12
Total 109 38 ~ 35%
VS
Rooney 35 14
27 12
30 12
21 15
Total 113 53 ~ 47%


I'm not going to pull the whole " your statistics suck" thing but I'm just curious to see if this takes into account substitutions. It's harder for a player to score when he comes on for the last 15 minutes, although you could make the argument that if he had been playing better he would have started. It's also important to take into account the importance of the goals when rating a player. tevez's goals saved West Ham from relegation almost single handedly, that's why they loved him so much. Paul Dickov scored 35 goals in almost 200 appearances for Man City, but he's a legend.
Do great work
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28701 Posts
January 21 2010 07:02 GMT
#1528
tevez is a great player
rooney is even better
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 21 2010 13:14 GMT
#1529
On January 21 2010 16:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:
tevez is a great player
rooney is even better

And they both suck compared to Totti.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SF-Fork
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Russian Federation1401 Posts
January 21 2010 13:56 GMT
#1530
On January 21 2010 22:14 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 16:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:
tevez is a great player
rooney is even better

And they both suck compared to Totti.



you DO know that before meeting you, I actually thought Totti was a good player? You're not doing much for his image in these forums
white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
January 21 2010 14:03 GMT
#1531
On January 21 2010 13:18 FireBlast! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 06:02 zulu_nation8 wrote:
What do Koreans think of Lee Chung-Yong? He's had a couple of good games for Bolton this year and has started most games. I'm impressed by his technical ability, he could be a lot better than Park Ji Sung.


I've seen him in action during Korea's friendly vs Serbia and incidentally today when I went to see Arsenal beat Bolton 4-2 at the Emirates. (CMON GOONERSSS)

He' the most technically gifted footballer I've seen. Unlike most Korean players who depend on work rate and efficiency, his dribbling and crossing is top notch and he hardly ever wastes possession. He's been a great consistent performer for Bolton and I think if he keeps on improving he'd be a real asset for any club. He'll impress during the WC I'm sure.

Another one to watch out for is Ki Sung Yong, or David Ki, who just signed on for Celtic. He also possesses technical ability never seen in a Korean player, has great vision and sprays the ball around like Carrick.

I do think South Korea can get quite far this WC, for once they look well covered in every position and many players come with european experience.


Only question, where are the Korean defenders?

It is just kind of weird to me that all these players are mid/forward, not just korea, but also like japan or even china (hm... like 1 player left, and Sun left). Is it just the physical side? or other factor like anticipation/positioning just suck
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 21 2010 17:34 GMT
#1532
tevez is a great striker while rooney is a world class striker imo
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 21 2010 17:56 GMT
#1533
On January 21 2010 23:03 white_box921 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 13:18 FireBlast! wrote:
On January 21 2010 06:02 zulu_nation8 wrote:
What do Koreans think of Lee Chung-Yong? He's had a couple of good games for Bolton this year and has started most games. I'm impressed by his technical ability, he could be a lot better than Park Ji Sung.


I've seen him in action during Korea's friendly vs Serbia and incidentally today when I went to see Arsenal beat Bolton 4-2 at the Emirates. (CMON GOONERSSS)

He' the most technically gifted footballer I've seen. Unlike most Korean players who depend on work rate and efficiency, his dribbling and crossing is top notch and he hardly ever wastes possession. He's been a great consistent performer for Bolton and I think if he keeps on improving he'd be a real asset for any club. He'll impress during the WC I'm sure.

Another one to watch out for is Ki Sung Yong, or David Ki, who just signed on for Celtic. He also possesses technical ability never seen in a Korean player, has great vision and sprays the ball around like Carrick.

I do think South Korea can get quite far this WC, for once they look well covered in every position and many players come with european experience.


Only question, where are the Korean defenders?

It is just kind of weird to me that all these players are mid/forward, not just korea, but also like japan or even china (hm... like 1 player left, and Sun left). Is it just the physical side? or other factor like anticipation/positioning just suck


Lee Young-Pyo was Tottenham's starting left back a few seasons ago. There was a Chinese left back who played for PSV. There was another Chinese central defender who played for Celtic but sucked. There was a Chinese defender, fan zhi yi, who had a good career with Crystal Palace in the mid 90s.
white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
January 21 2010 18:03 GMT
#1534
On January 22 2010 02:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 23:03 white_box921 wrote:
On January 21 2010 13:18 FireBlast! wrote:
On January 21 2010 06:02 zulu_nation8 wrote:
What do Koreans think of Lee Chung-Yong? He's had a couple of good games for Bolton this year and has started most games. I'm impressed by his technical ability, he could be a lot better than Park Ji Sung.


I've seen him in action during Korea's friendly vs Serbia and incidentally today when I went to see Arsenal beat Bolton 4-2 at the Emirates. (CMON GOONERSSS)

He' the most technically gifted footballer I've seen. Unlike most Korean players who depend on work rate and efficiency, his dribbling and crossing is top notch and he hardly ever wastes possession. He's been a great consistent performer for Bolton and I think if he keeps on improving he'd be a real asset for any club. He'll impress during the WC I'm sure.

Another one to watch out for is Ki Sung Yong, or David Ki, who just signed on for Celtic. He also possesses technical ability never seen in a Korean player, has great vision and sprays the ball around like Carrick.

I do think South Korea can get quite far this WC, for once they look well covered in every position and many players come with european experience.


Only question, where are the Korean defenders?

It is just kind of weird to me that all these players are mid/forward, not just korea, but also like japan or even china (hm... like 1 player left, and Sun left). Is it just the physical side? or other factor like anticipation/positioning just suck


Lee Young-Pyo was Tottenham's starting left back a few seasons ago. There was a Chinese left back who played for PSV. There was another Chinese central defender who played for Celtic but sucked. There was a Chinese defender, fan zhi yi, who had a good career with Crystal Palace in the mid 90s.


I know, but compare to the success of midfield/forward, the defender all sucked (relatively). Personally, I find it strange that we get much more of the exports in the advanced positions, saying that, I have watched something like U12 or similar (ridiculously young age) tournament and the Japanese already had mad skills but the Brazilians aren't really that good.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 21 2010 18:19 GMT
#1535
I guess it has something to do with football culture, defenders are usually harder to raise imo.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33457 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 20:34:41
January 21 2010 20:32 GMT
#1536
Tevez seems to be a more natural goalscorer to me, but it seemed like his vision and willingness to pass were lacking compared to Rooney. These are my observations from when they played together anyway, I've been slacking on watching non-chelsea games this season

My preferred ManC poll would be: Robinho, worth putting up with the immaturity or not?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
January 22 2010 01:24 GMT
#1537
Robinho first came to city as a primadona looking for his "own" team and now that the standards have inevitably gone up with the purchase of good players and changes in management, he hasnt risen to the challenge of fighting for a place in City's increasingly crowded line up. He's still a very skilled player and City will be happy to hold onto him so long as there are no buyers. I'd give him enough appearances to prove himself for the rest of the season, I think Mancini will too.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 22 2010 01:38 GMT
#1538
I think Robinho sucks, he plays just like C.Ronaldo when he had just arrived at Man U. Fantastic skills and technical ability but doesn't have the football intelligence, determination nor work rate to make an impact most of the time. Considering his reputation and how much he's getting payed, City should get rid of him asap.
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
January 22 2010 02:40 GMT
#1539
The other thing that has to be taken into consideration is:

1. Who would want Robinho in this state?
2. Who would put up money that is equal to or greater then the money he was purchased for.

A lot of really expensive purchases stay in teams because they lose resale value when they fall out of favour. At some point Robinho has to come to the following self-realisation: potential means nothing if you can't control it.

BTW ManU 700 mil pounds in debt - FML (F*ck Manchester's Life ) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/6969460/Manchester-Uniteds-debt-six-key-questions.html
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
January 22 2010 04:02 GMT
#1540
problem with robinho is not so much his price, but his ridiculous wage bill. I'd imagine hes valued around ~20 mil atm, age 25 hes already an established performer at a high level. sounds like a bargain these days. For many clubs looking to fill holes in their attack he's a risk worth taking
Victoria Concordia Crescit
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